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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 5:42:53 PM   
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I find it interesting that for as overly intellectual as I tend to be (or at least think I am), I've not thought to actually 'answer' the question posed by DD in the initial post for myself.  Not feeling the need to articulate an answer up til now is, I think, a very good sign.
 
I'm 34, divorced mother of one, and owing to my Irish heritage stubborn to a fault.  I came from a place of not being able to say shit if I had a mouthful when I was younger (I wasn't fortunate enough to have strong advocates as a teenager) to being boisterously obnoxious and independent.  To say this was a hard fought battle is an understatement; I literally scraped together what little self-respect I could muster round about the age of 22 and proceeded to build on it for several years.  The result, while a much more self-assured individual was someone who was figured that if I was going to be happy in this life I had to do it myself (which turned into I had to do it alone), along with several other significantly Freudian personality quirks I won't bother to mention for various reasons, one being my propensity to talk wayyyyyyyyy too much.  The downside to becoming so self-reliant is that although being forced to rely on myself was a necessary step in my development it didn't prove to be all sunshine and roses.
 
I spent several years after my divorce being mostly alone, although I did date.  I never really found anyone who I felt measured up, but to what yardstick I was holding them against for comparison, I wasn't quite sure.  Whenever I was in a relationship it tended to be with rather 'meek' men, or men who had difficulty with commitment, or oftentimes there wasn't even a relationship....just relations.
 
I came to the 'lifestyle' by rather unconventional means, having sent an offline instant message to a person who had a few Yahoo profiles, all stating quite bluntly his interest in 'BDSM' (my IM was basically 'hey I admire your boldness and just what the heck does 'BDSM' stand for?') .  Much to my surprise I received a reply IM from a person who (also much to my surprise) was quite intelligent, articulate, funny, etc.....not what I was expecting.  We began chatting online, him knowing full well I didn't have a damn clue nor did it occur to me to wonder what BDSM was, and me knowing that this was his lifestyle choice.  We hit it off so well by the time we met for drinks a few months later, the sparks almost literally flew.  9 months later, I've gone from being as vanilla as the driven snow to His collared submissive, and i've personally never been happier.
 
So, what exactly does BDSM do for me?  Firstly, it reminds me not to make judgments about people without getting to know them.  Too often we discount people based on how they look or how they dress or the sort of job they have (or in my field of work, their insurance coverage).  I grew up in an extremely bigoted/racist household, and it's been difficult to overcome this.  I've found meeting people within the lifestyle constantly reminds me of just how beneficial it is to reserve judgment until after you've gotten to know someone and had the opportunity to decide for yourself whether or not someone's an asshole based on their own merit, and nothing else.
 
BDSM reminds me of the value of broadening my horizons, branching out, operating outside the safety zone.  It helps me to remember the value of the journey, not just the destination.  I pride myself on being openminded....but just how openminded is someone if they're not exploring the boundaries of their consciousness?  I've certainly had several experiences I never would have even considered under other circumstances, partly from being somewhat sheltered and naive, partly from just never having thought to consider it as an option.  Without exception, I'd say these experiences have helped me learn who I am as a person (and who I want to be), and have helped give me direction in the path I wish to take in this life.
 
BDSM has shown me the strength required in letting go, in trusting others enough to turn over control of certain aspects of my life.  This is definitely a work in progress, something I struggle with on a continual basis but something I'm greatful to have the opportunity to work on.  I'm the quintessential type A personality, one who would rather do it all myself than trust someone else to do it for me.  I'm horrible at delegating responsibility because I don't trust that others will do it up to my standards.
 
Above everything else, BDSM has brought me an inner peace I didn't think was possible.  The connection I have with my lover/Dom/boyfriend/hopefully life partner is stronger than anything I could have ever imagined, and far more intense than anything I've ever experienced.  Being able to know without a doubt that I can trust someone to be in control, to spank me and to whip me and make me cry and all the while to know I'm ultimately safe in His arms, that is a very powerful gift he has given me.  My family and friends have all noticed the change in me.  I don't seem nearly as stressed.  I'm not as frantic as I used to be.  I handle stress at work and in my personal life much better than I ever have.  And above all, those closest to me have commented that they don't remember me seeming happier for as far back as they remember. 
 
While I endeavor to act in as selfless a manner as possible, it is with the knowledge that I have the trust and love and devotion and loyalty and strength of another.  BDSM or not, never before in my life have I known such stability, such peace.  My Sir and I are still working on figuring out how our relationship works, the ins and outs of this exchange of power so to speak.  The arguements are so much more intense than I've ever dealt with, but so are the benefits.  I'm quite willing to take the highs with the lows, because ultimately I have unending trust in Sir and in our relationship.  While it's not practical for us to be D/s 24/7 we have managed to create something exceptionally special in our lives, a bond that simultaneously seems as fine as spider silk and as unbreakable as the strongest titanium.  It is this security that is so new to me that I cherish, one that allows me to enjoy life much more fully, one that allows me to actually be happy.  So basically BDSM itself doesn't make me happy, but all it has shown me and all it has allowed me to grow within its context has lead to a feeling of intense safety, one where I have the strength to explore life more fully knowing at the end of the day no matter what happens, Sir will place my collar around my neck and reaffirm His commitment to me as well as our relationship.  I don't feel owned.....I feel as I belong--as never before and the gods willing, as never again.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 6:10:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NurseKitty




BDSM reminds me of the value of broadening my horizons, branching out, operating outside the safety zone.  It helps me to remember the value of the journey, not just the destination. 

BDSM has shown me the strength required in letting go, in trusting others enough to turn over control of certain aspects of my life.  standards.
 

 
 And above all, those closest to me have commented that they don't remember me seeming happier for as far back as they remember.  
 

we have managed to create something exceptionally special in our lives, a bond that simultaneously seems as fine as spider silk and as unbreakable as the strongest titanium.  
 
 
  I don't feel owned.....I feel as I belong--as never before and the gods willing, as never again.



Thank you for the wonderful insights.

This reminds me of another woman who spoke
in this thread of "all is right in the world" feeling in
a D/s relationship...

DD

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:09:05 PM   
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No, BDSM doesn't make me happy (except perhaps when I'm in the middle of an endorphin-fuelled giggle-fest). What makes me happy is the freedom to be myself. And being submissive to someone, serving someone, being with someone strong enough to enjoy being in charge...that's part of being me. Not the only part, but a very large part.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:31:07 PM   
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I make myself Happy!  By making choices to do the things that I enjoy.... one thing I happen to enjoy alot is BDSM... but I enjoy many other things as well... I make choices to do those things as well.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:38:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

Hi all........

Here's my first question for this forum.

Does BDSM (as you do it) make you happy/enhance your happiness?

If so, how do you figure it makes you happier?

In what specific ways do ya figger it works for ya?

DD, a curious old goat.


Awesome question (far too many spaces).

I'm going to presume your question.

How does it fulfill me?

Full.  Completely. I'm single, I don't have a Domme and I can tell you, I'm fuller than when I didn't know who I was.  I'm digging being a sub, even as I don't belong to someone.

It's better than not belonging at all.

It's better than wondering where I belong.  It's better than being empty.

I'll get there.  And I'll find "The One".

And when I do...it'll be perfect.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:42:12 PM   
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I felt legitimized and okay.


Yes.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:45:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

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ORIGINAL: SeekingmyMaster

No.... BDSM does not make me happy.
 
Living life makes me happy.
 
Choosing not to deny my nature, making informed choices, submitting to One whose beliefs, needs, desires and kinks are similar to mine ..........makes me happy.  
 
*smile*  slave sheryl
 




Dear slave sheryl ... and all


>>Living life makes me happy.
Yeah, I think you got something here...
when we're really "there" in our lives
and really "living" it at that moment,
I suspect that works pretty well...........

>>Choosing not to deny my nature
Ain't that the truth for perverts and other mammals.
I like the word "choosing" , even though its
a helluva lot easier said than done...

Pretty simple words there,
but they have a good feel about 'em....

DD


(I think this is cheating...answering your own posts should cost you at least 33 points).

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:48:31 PM   
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Happiness is one of many emotions we can experience day to day. It's transient. If we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness?? 

For me happiness is when everything in my life is in alignment, like all the parts of a well oiled machine working and functioning properly, everything runs smoother.  So, does bdsm make me happy - well it's one part of that machine and if i didn't have it the machine would run, just not as efficiently.

Real, unwavering happiness i believe can only happen when no matter what's happening on the "outside" nothing on your "inside" changes - i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature.  It's how people get though bad experiences and rough times in their lives without 'falling apart"

Bdsm does make me euphoric, balanced and centered, hot, connected, satisfied on so many levels. It challenges me.  It gives me something to look forward to.  It makes my heart race and my palms sweat in anticipation. It makes me laugh, and cry.  It can even at times make me angry.  It makes me feel more complete and whole.   Maybe some would define those things as "being made happy"  i don't.



You just said in 4 paragraphs..."this is who I am".

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 7:52:47 PM   
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Reading your post brought to mind something my dad used to always say...

"Theres no such thing as happiness, only happy moments"

Wow.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 8:05:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Happiness is one of many emotions we can experience day to day. It's transient. If we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness?? 

For me happiness is when everything in my life is in alignment, like all the parts of a well oiled machine working and functioning properly, everything runs smoother.  So, does bdsm make me happy - well it's one part of that machine and if i didn't have it the machine would run, just not as efficiently.

Real, unwavering happiness i believe can only happen when no matter what's happening on the "outside" nothing on your "inside" changes - i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature.  It's how people get though bad experiences and rough times in their lives without 'falling apart"

Bdsm does make me euphoric, balanced and centered, hot, connected, satisfied on so many levels. It challenges me.  It gives me something to look forward to.  It makes my heart race and my palms sweat in anticipation. It makes me laugh, and cry.  It can even at times make me angry.  It makes me feel more complete and whole.   Maybe some would define those things as "being made happy"  i don't.





Hey velvettears .... and all gentle readers...

I am consistantly shocked at the low value
most folks put on the word/term/concept/stateonmind we call "happy".

So, looks like I might learn somthing....

>>If we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness?? 

If we were compassionate all the time, what value would there be in compassion?
If we were rich all the time, what value would there be in wealth?
If we were loving all the time, what value would there be in love?
If we were kind to animals and children  all the time, what value would there be in kindness?

As you can see, I question your idea that happiness needs contrast to be real...


>> i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature
 
Me too.
That's sort of what I was fishing for....
.... and sorta what folks was inching towards....

..... and I still remain shocked at the general belief applied to happiness
that ... (in the best turn of phrase this week)
"you can put a shine on a turd"...

DD
PS... your typo "nuturung" has a kinda Neitzsche feel...
germanic, expressive, decisive....

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 8:45:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

As you can see, I question your idea that happiness needs contrast to be real...


>> i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature
 
Me too.
That's sort of what I was fishing for....
.... and sorta what folks was inching towards....

..... and I still remain shocked at the general belief applied to happiness
that ... (in the best turn of phrase this week)
"you can put a shine on a turd"...

DD
PS... your typo "nuturung" has a kinda Neitzsche feel...
germanic, expressive, decisive....



In the study of Zen, one discovers that happiness comes from within. One also discovers that if one is to shine a turd, one should be the best turd shiner one can be. It is a true calling and therefore a reason to be happy.

~ looking for the polishing cream ~

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 7/31/2006 9:03:36 PM   
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Only i can make myself happy.

But yes i do enjoy BDSM, especially 24/7 Master/slave lifestyle and serving more than the S & M or Bondage side. When i get to session it gives me an endorphine release that is very simular to the same endorphines i release when i am very happy or joyful..

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/1/2006 3:03:05 AM   
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This makes me think back to the time when I finally took the plunge. The hours and hours of talking spent trying to figure out exactly how I, we felt about all that was wondering through brains. I still feel the same way I did then. A part of me had been satisfied, found, released. Enjoying pain was alright. Enjoying another woman was alright. Enjoying pleasing another was all good. It made me slightly euphoric. Ok, I was a bit overzealous, but all that still stands to the good. Maybe not the euphoric part. That has tempered down a bit. But the pain, the pleasure, the pleasing, the submitting, those are all elements of me that I would shudder to think of being without.

In short, I adore the added deminsion to me. Even the bruises on the way have proven useful.

Lee


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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/1/2006 6:04:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

Happiness is one of many emotions we can experience day to day. It's transient. If we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness?? 

For me happiness is when everything in my life is in alignment, like all the parts of a well oiled machine working and functioning properly, everything runs smoother.  So, does bdsm make me happy - well it's one part of that machine and if i didn't have it the machine would run, just not as efficiently.

Real, unwavering happiness i believe can only happen when no matter what's happening on the "outside" nothing on your "inside" changes - i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature.  It's how people get though bad experiences and rough times in their lives without 'falling apart"

Bdsm does make me euphoric, balanced and centered, hot, connected, satisfied on so many levels. It challenges me.  It gives me something to look forward to.  It makes my heart race and my palms sweat in anticipation. It makes me laugh, and cry.  It can even at times make me angry.  It makes me feel more complete and whole.   Maybe some would define those things as "being made happy"  i don't.





Hey velvettears .... and all gentle readers...

I am consistantly shocked at the low value
most folks put on the word/term/concept/stateonmind we call "happy".

So, looks like I might learn somthing....

>>If we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness?? 

If we were compassionate all the time, what value would there be in compassion?
If we were rich all the time, what value would there be in wealth?
If we were loving all the time, what value would there be in love?
If we were kind to animals and children  all the time, what value would there be in kindness?

As you can see, I question your idea that happiness needs contrast to be real...


>> i beleieve this takes nurturung your spiritual nature
 
Me too.
That's sort of what I was fishing for....
.... and sorta what folks was inching towards....

..... and I still remain shocked at the general belief applied to happiness
that ... (in the best turn of phrase this week)
"you can put a shine on a turd"...

DD
PS... your typo "nuturung" has a kinda Neitzsche feel...
germanic, expressive, decisive....



Being compassionate, wealthy, loving and kind are all wonderful but they are not the same and can't be compared to happiness. 

Being compassionate is an action, not a state of being - you do actualy "things" to be compassionate ie give money to charity, listen to a friend who's upset, give e needed hug, etc.. 
Wealth - i do think wealth is much more appreciated if it comes after having earned it rather then having it handed to you your whole life.  People might have more sympathy for those less fortunate if they were once themselves in that condition.
People aren't loving all the time - thats why when we find someone who is loving to us we appreciate it and value what we have in them!
Same with kindness - lots of unkindness going around, cherish those around you who are!

On to Happiness ;-)

There are two states of happiness - one stems from "external" things we experience and the other is an "internal" state of being we develop over time if we are aware of our spiritual nature. 

Some examples of circumstances that will give you external happiness - you get a bonus at work, your SO tell you they adore you, your best friend spends the day with you, you just had a great "scene" and the endorphins are flying.. etc  Most of us function like this on a daily basis and events that give us pleasure will "make us happy" - temporarily.  What happens when the bonus money is spent, your SO has a bad mood and ignores you, your best friend cancels plans at the last minute, a scene ends up not working out to your expectations? - Does this mean we are UNhappy?  You cannot take away real happiness if it comes from within. With that kind of happiness your happy no matter whats happening. 

What i meant by "if we were happy all the time what value would there be in happiness" was more in line with what we experience as "external" happiness.  When we suffer sadness, despair, lonliness, heartache, etc.. these experiences make us appreciate when we are happy more.  Everyones heard of the person who took for granted the one they loved and when their love finally left, the person realized too late how "happy" they were in retrospect and falls into a state of misery over it.  These kinds of experiences make us grow as people, they build our character, make us reflect, and ready us to appreciate the people and experiences around us more.  It's the "unhappy" moments that drive us to do that spiritual work thats necessary to have true, unwavering, internal happiness.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/1/2006 7:22:51 AM   
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Happiness is a moment when the universe favors you.

And you know it.

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/10/2006 10:43:30 AM   
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BDSM makes me happy!!

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/10/2006 10:56:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

Hi all........

Here's my first question for this forum.

Does BDSM (as you do it) make you happy/enhance your happiness?

If so, how do you figure it makes you happier?

In what specific ways do ya figger it works for ya?


DD, a curious old goat.


I would not say that BDSM makes me happy or unhappy. Ds is the cornerstone of what BDSM means to me, and that is not the case for many people that are involved with WIITWD . I feel that this relationship structure can be good or bad depending on who I am doing it with. Currently I am involved with someone that is satsfying the majority of my needs, and for as long as we have been seeing each other and as new as we are to each other, this dynamic has already formed much intimacy that provides me with much joy.

I am someone that does not use the term "happy" much anyways. "Happy" is related to the word "happening", and it is dependent on outside forces. My joy, satisfaction with life, my ability to be at peace shouldn't be dependent on outside "happenings".  I am at peace with my submissiveness at this point in my life. I am at peace with this relationship dynamic, and I want no other because it feels "normal" to me. I can be myself.

I think the thing that works for me in regards to my relationship with my Daddy is that I feel I can be me with him, and that he is himself with me. That works for me! I have never been with someone that makes me laugh at the same time that he has me near orgasm, and I mean belly laughing. I never felt so good about accepting another the way that they are as I do about accepting him the way he is... I do not want him to have to feel he needs to dress differently, wear his hair differently, dye his hair to please me either. I want him just the way he is.

That is just what pleases me about BDSM

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/10/2006 11:21:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

Hi all........

Here's my first question for this forum.

Does BDSM (as you do it) make you happy/enhance your happiness?

If so, how do you figure it makes you happier?

In what specific ways do ya figger it works for ya?


DD, a curious old goat.

 
Well, i am already happy, as in feeling content with myself and no regrets with life for the most part.  i would say that BDSM, fulfills a desire within me, but it is not necessary for overall happiness in my life.  It is the fulfillment of a desire, and with anything else that fulfills me, it is an extra plus.  i have other desires that are still unfulfilled, but i am still happy, hope this made sense. *smile

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RE: Does BDSM make you happy? - 8/10/2006 11:28:40 AM   
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Hello DD,

quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious

Hi all........

Here's my first question for this forum.

Does BDSM (as you do it) make you happy/enhance your happiness?

M/s has brought me deep happiness, inner happiness, the kind that counts........ as a relationship style. There's also aspects of it that makes me cross, frustrated, unhappy and a bit fed up, too.....but they are transitory things.

If so, how do you figure it makes you happier?

I think it's simply that relating this way works better for me.

In what specific ways do ya figger it works for ya?

Specifically, I think it's because there is someone capable at the helm who has skills and strengths that I don't have.


DD, a curious old goat.


Regards, agirl





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