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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 6:46:29 PM   
TxBlkMistress


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Hmmm...I don't understand it, but I'm not going to throw stones at it either.  I could not and do not use service only slaves...but I get a lot of offers for this and tons for cuckolds, so you can't just say it's a Dommes/Doms request.  A lot more people, more than I could ever imagine prefer this....to each his own.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 7:11:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TxBlkMistress

Hmmm...I don't understand it, but I'm not going to throw stones at it either.  I could not and do not use service only slaves...but I get a lot of offers for this and tons for cuckolds, so you can't just say it's a Dommes/Doms request.  A lot more people, more than I could ever imagine prefer this....to each his own.


I'm curious. I certainly understand why you do not use service-only slaves, but why could you not use them?

Also, when you say that you get a lot of offers for this, are most of these offers coming from relative strangers on the internet, or from people you know something about in real-life?  

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 7:48:17 PM   
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I am a service-oriented submissive/slave. I've talked many times of something similar to this, but NOT exactly this. I've come to a personal belief that there's this fantasy that a lot of dominant women have that they can have a "service" oriented slave that wants absolutely nothing else. I believe it's a fantasy that's made pseudo reality because enough men have convinced women that this is what they want, just in hopes of getting in close enough to get whatever else they're really seeking.

The original question put forth the relationship of a dominant woman wanting a male slave to come in, clean and then leave. No other interaction of either a sexual or even psychological nature. I've talked at length about this and how elusive this type of relationship is because it's a fantasy that lasts only as long as the guy is willing to pretend to be only into the relationship because of a service motivation but with NO other interaction. Sure, it can happen. And crazy people can run through the streets naked, too, but that doesn't mean it's going to be anywhere near easy to find.

As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I am a service oriented slave. But I do it because I seek something OTHER than direct sexual satisfaction. I seek the control and ownership of a dominant/submissive relationship where I put in my every effort to make her satisfaction the sole purpose of what I do. This means I will work hard, put up with a whole ton of crap, just for the sake of making her happy. But this is where the understanding fails.

I can't count the number of times I was approached by a woman seeking me to be her house cleaner/slave, but she was involved with some other guy for the "real" bdsm stuff, so I would only be around for the cleaning process. When I said I wasn't interested, I was always accused of being some "fake" submissive, a lot like women who won't go out with guys that ask them out must somehow be lesbians.

Anyway, I've seen a LOT of this type of request in the past, and almost always it ends badly. It's a great fantasy, but for the most part, it exists within the phantom world that often goes "well, it must exist because I know of this one couple on the east coast that...." or "I'm living that lifestyle, so it's obviously very standard....", which usually is followed by a post two months later of "I don't know why he left. Everything was going so well."

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 9:35:14 PM   
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Well I certainly wouldn't say house management is an easy job, it was a combination of the lawyer and the mantra that made me choose the response.

Also I certainly wouldn't mean that altruism is the only reason one might choose a service life or that the rewards were limited to "thank you job well done, now go away".

There are rewards for service that come from within however being taken for granted would certainly in time overcome any and all of those rewards. But I didn't specify that no other rewards were forthcomming only that sex wasn't one of them, Directed growth, general appreciation, the opportunity to serve, the opportunity to advance in the service of the person, the chance to learn new skills. All of those things CAN lend themselves to a service oriented person being very happy in a non sexual D/s relationship. Of course if it isn't in you to serve in a non sexual possition if you have to have some form of sexual contact to make it work for you then I'm  not judgeing you many others are in the same boat for sure. I only say that some people can be happy that way.

Also I'll be the first to admit that there are more Dominants willing to take into service that kind of person than there are those kinds of people to be taken into service. And thus there are some who take the service for granted and thus may ruin the person's motivation to serve for a long time.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 9:47:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I am a service-oriented submissive/slave. I've talked many times of something similar to this, but NOT exactly this. I've come to a personal belief that there's this fantasy that a lot of dominant women have that they can have a "service" oriented slave that wants absolutely nothing else. I believe it's a fantasy that's made pseudo reality because enough men have convinced women that this is what they want, just in hopes of getting in close enough to get whatever else they're really seeking.

The original question put forth the relationship of a dominant woman wanting a male slave to come in, clean and then leave. No other interaction of either a sexual or even psychological nature. I've talked at length about this and how elusive this type of relationship is because it's a fantasy that lasts only as long as the guy is willing to pretend to be only into the relationship because of a service motivation but with NO other interaction. Sure, it can happen. And crazy people can run through the streets naked, too, but that doesn't mean it's going to be anywhere near easy to find.


Extremely well-said.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 10:05:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TeeGO

...all thoughts of my own pleasure are buried under thoughts of pleasing her.  BUT, this submission can only come about from me when I have learned to trust the Domme KNOWING she cares for me and takes her responsibilty for me as seriously as I do for her... 


I couldn't agree more with this excerpt.

It's a masterpiece... (no pun intended) 

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 10:17:16 PM   
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I'm not looking for a service only type...  I am among the people for whom that doesn't work.
I have received many emails, and spoken to some service only subs/slaves however that I have turned down;  I cannot say what the motivation is in general, but in certain cases, the person offering was young and seeking some experience with a dominant;  in those cases I understood and would have even accomodated them, if my life was shaped that way, without constant family visiting and a lil one in the home for whom I need some semblance of normalcy.   M

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 10:51:08 PM   
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Non-sexual D/s dynamics do not equate straight across to 'service only'.  There is always a give and take in any relationship. 

Owning a person is not an easy task.  I've heard many people joke about wanting a service slave because they need their laundry done or want their house cleaned.  Though these might be some of the benifits to having a service orientated slave (of course the exact benifits need to be discussed during negotition) there are also all of the responsibilities that go with owning a whole person.  That person will always (no matter what they claim) have needs.  They will want to feel needed, cherished, loved, valued, etc.  They will also have all of their physical needs - shelter, food, clothing, etc.  There will be sexual needs that need to be addressed.  As well, I would suggest that down time is also an essential need and thus must be scheduled in. 

Even if the dynamic is not a 24/7 relationship, having a service slave is not simply scheduling a time for them to come and detail your car.  In my opinion it is about balancing their mundane life with the life they lead as your slave.  If your slave is a student, as an example, then it is your responsibility to make sure that his grades are high, that he meets and associates with like minded folks, that he does not neglect his civic duties, that is SM needs are seen to, that he maintains a healthy sexual life, that he does not neglect himself, that he does have the opportunity to serve you himself (this can range from him spending time cleaning your home to serving a dinner party to giving you an afternoon spa treatment).  Like any D/s relationship there are many more facets to it than merely play and sex.

Contrary to some folks opinion on this thread, owning a service slave is not about being lazy.  In my opinion this dynamic is about ownership and devotion.  Sex is a part of the human experience.  Sex, however, does not equate to intimacy for all people.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 11:05:49 PM   
TeeGO


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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I am a service-oriented submissive/slave. I've talked many times of something similar to this, but NOT exactly this. I've come to a personal belief that there's this fantasy that a lot of dominant women have that they can have a "service" oriented slave that wants absolutely nothing else. I believe it's a fantasy that's made pseudo reality because enough men have convinced women that this is what they want, just in hopes of getting in close enough to get whatever else they're really seeking.

The original question put forth the relationship of a dominant woman wanting a male slave to come in, clean and then leave. No other interaction of either a sexual or even psychological nature. I've talked at length about this and how elusive this type of relationship is because it's a fantasy that lasts only as long as the guy is willing to pretend to be only into the relationship because of a service motivation but with NO other interaction. Sure, it can happen. And crazy people can run through the streets naked, too, but that doesn't mean it's going to be anywhere near easy to find.

As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I am a service oriented slave. But I do it because I seek something OTHER than direct sexual satisfaction. I seek the control and ownership of a dominant/submissive relationship where I put in my every effort to make her satisfaction the sole purpose of what I do. This means I will work hard, put up with a whole ton of crap, just for the sake of making her happy. But this is where the understanding fails.

I can't count the number of times I was approached by a woman seeking me to be her house cleaner/slave, but she was involved with some other guy for the "real" bdsm stuff, so I would only be around for the cleaning process. When I said I wasn't interested, I was always accused of being some "fake" submissive, a lot like women who won't go out with guys that ask them out must somehow be lesbians.

Anyway, I've seen a LOT of this type of request in the past, and almost always it ends badly. It's a great fantasy, but for the most part, it exists within the phantom world that often goes "well, it must exist because I know of this one couple on the east coast that...." or "I'm living that lifestyle, so it's obviously very standard....", which usually is followed by a post two months later of "I don't know why he left. Everything was going so well."



Great post, you the man.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 11:07:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: TeeGO

...all thoughts of my own pleasure are buried under thoughts of pleasing her. BUT, this submission can only come about from me when I have learned to trust the Domme KNOWING she cares for me and takes her responsibility for me as seriously as I do for her...


I couldn't agree more with this excerpt.

It's a masterpiece... (no pun intended)

Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. Once in a while I surprise myself.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 11:10:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Well I certainly wouldn't say house management is an easy job, it was a combination of the lawyer and the mantra that made me choose the response.

Also I certainly wouldn't mean that altruism is the only reason one might choose a service life or that the rewards were limited to "thank you job well done, now go away".

There are rewards for service that come from within however being taken for granted would certainly in time overcome any and all of those rewards. But I didn't specify that no other rewards were forthcomming only that sex wasn't one of them, Directed growth, general appreciation, the opportunity to serve, the opportunity to advance in the service of the person, the chance to learn new skills. All of those things CAN lend themselves to a service oriented person being very happy in a non sexual D/s relationship. Of course if it isn't in you to serve in a non sexual possition if you have to have some form of sexual contact to make it work for you then I'm  not judgeing you many others are in the same boat for sure. I only say that some people can be happy that way.

Also I'll be the first to admit that there are more Dominants willing to take into service that kind of person than there are those kinds of people to be taken into service. And thus there are some who take the service for granted and thus may ruin the person's motivation to serve for a long time.

In Leather

Archer

I absolutely agree with what your saying.  That is not the No-strings "thing."   The subs/slave's needs, whatever they may be, need to be met to make it work.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 11:36:16 PM   
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I have been seeking a service only submissive for a short time now. Personally, it helps me to fulfill my Domme side. (I have a seperate profile for this.) There is give and take in this. The main responsibility of my housepet will be to keep my home clean. That doesn't mean that will be the only interest I have in them. I consider a housepet a person with a specific realm of service. Their job is to make my life easier. When I accept a housepet into my home, I am accepting responsibility for them. There will be down time, talking time, and just general checking in to ensure their well being. There will never be sex involved. There may at some point be SM involved, that would depend on the submissive. I feel that there is a large responsibility on the part of the Dommy type when taking on any submissive, even one who will be a housepet.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/24/2006 11:36:43 PM   
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*smiles*  lovely  posts Archer and Wicked ....

the variety of ways humans can intreract is vast ... of course many people espouse fantasies.. sometimes because fantasy is all they want ... or they dont reliase what they desire is 2 dimensional ... until the reality hits  *smiles*

I think that many do get caught up in a lovely  'get my laundry done'  fantasy .... but its no worse than the ... 'naked in chains always ready  pleasure slave'  fantasies that others have ....


but such doesnt negate that different interactions are valid .... they may not suit all .. they may not fit within  what others see as  correct or desired  .... we may not even be able to see what the other gets out of something  and they may not be able or inclined to express it in ways  that make sense to us ....  but that doesnt negate the value of the exchange...

learning  about and  experiencing the dynamics of service can be one of the most beautiful experiences a slave minded person can have ...  to be able to explore their mind/heart desire in a safe environment is what many seek ... whether  this is only one of many relationships they have ... whether it is a long term or a shorter training experience  isnt important ....

such as the one you spoke of Archer .... the boi doesnt seek sexual release  specificaly from you,   but an exploration and learning space ... an ability to learn about service or offer its as  a value exchange for learning ... or indeed as part of  how they learn the lessons you can teach them

but I dont think any one says they recieve  'nothing'  and means it in any way beyond the  I want the Dominant to choose what I get ...... what they recieve in return is  huge ... be it simply expressed satisfaction from their dominant ...  or to all the depths and bredth of a Mentor/Master  student/slave relationship.. it is up to the  individuals involved to determine  what works  for them .. what fulfills their needs ...

Fantasies are fantasies....  but  many of us have experienced very rewarding non sexual service relationships... I like to believe that any I have mentored or interacted with in such ways ... have  benefited far beyond any single act of service ....  *smiles*  although I havent explored  the  dynamic of  one female sexual slave and one male service  slave as mentioned in the OP .... but I am not bisexual

but believe me ... even at the sexual level ..... any  shoe/pantyhose/ lingerie lover .... gets an awful lot out of provideing wardrobe/laundry  service for me *laughs* even if its not an expressed physical sexual activity

but I only  take on a boy who I feel we both  will get things out of the experience ... who I am well matched with





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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 4:42:11 AM   
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  i can only speak from my personal experience, but upon entering the relationship, both parties know what they want at that time. But in any long term relationship be vanilla or D/s, life becomes somewhat complaciant, and both parties fall into a pattern. i find the actual physical act of sex some what overblown, and that to function as the service partner, to make sure my Owners needs are met, is of primary importance, if She desires long term chasity, than that is one of Her needs.

She is the one who sets the ground rules and the sub can either accept them or find a different Owner whose needs are more along the lines of his service potential.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 7:24:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wickad

Non-sexual D/s dynamics do not equate straight across to 'service only'.  There is always a give and take in any relationship. 

Owning a person is not an easy task.  I've heard many people joke about wanting a service slave because they need their laundry done or want their house cleaned.  Though these might be some of the benifits to having a service orientated slave (of course the exact benifits need to be discussed during negotition) there are also all of the responsibilities that go with owning a whole person.  That person will always (no matter what they claim) have needs.  They will want to feel needed, cherished, loved, valued, etc.  They will also have all of their physical needs - shelter, food, clothing, etc.  There will be sexual needs that need to be addressed.  As well, I would suggest that down time is also an essential need and thus must be scheduled in. 

Even if the dynamic is not a 24/7 relationship, having a service slave is not simply scheduling a time for them to come and detail your car.  In my opinion it is about balancing their mundane life with the life they lead as your slave.  If your slave is a student, as an example, then it is your responsibility to make sure that his grades are high, that he meets and associates with like minded folks, that he does not neglect his civic duties, that is SM needs are seen to, that he maintains a healthy sexual life, that he does not neglect himself, that he does have the opportunity to serve you himself (this can range from him spending time cleaning your home to serving a dinner party to giving you an afternoon spa treatment).  Like any D/s relationship there are many more facets to it than merely play and sex.

Contrary to some folks opinion on this thread, owning a service slave is not about being lazy.  In my opinion this dynamic is about ownership and devotion.  Sex is a part of the human experience.  Sex, however, does not equate to intimacy for all people.

Wickad


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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 10:37:53 AM   
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Hi first post! This really does exist for both males and females. We have seen numerous examples of this in our years in this lifestyle. Both my husband and myself are slaves and service is first is our prime motivator for serving. We have never had an entirely sex free situation because frankly its never been desired from any of our three owners to date. There is also something very "sexual and intimate" in just work for us. Scrubbing my own floor is even mildly stimulating, scrubbing someone elses floor is very exciting for me. I just spent a week doing receptionist work in a chiropractor's office for free (ok well I did get a couple of adjustments out of it ) for the pure pleasure of doing it. My husband and I feel exactly the same way.

In the event we were to be in a service only situation we still as any married couple does, have each other as an intimate outlet.

I guess my real point of all of this is that the work itself is stimulating and the constant reminder that you are toiling for free has a very intimate feel to it.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 12:51:47 PM   
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I feel I'm being painted into a corner here so I need to make this clear. There have been some very lovely posts about the beauty of service and the reward found within. Having read those posts has been an edifying experience for me no doubt.

However, the point being missed is I have not been talking about service oriented relationships. I've been talking about service without relationships. The slave comes, cleans the house, the Dom says nothing, does nothing, not even a thank you. No strings.

What could motivate somebody to do that kind of service? Why not just go down your block and volunteer to clean every house. I guess somebody could like doing that but frankly I would wonder about them. That is a far cry from entering the service of a Dominant that has concerns for you and your well being, hoping to help you in some way on your journey as you serve them. Two different things we are talking about here.

So when I say I question the motives and what drives that person, understand I'm NOT talking about the people and the relationships that you have described.

Thank you.


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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 1:06:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Service only? No way! Libido and ego are what drives my desires to submit...



Actually, that drives my desire to dominate as well {smiles}, and personally, housework just doesn't do it for me. Now, cooking...

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 1:49:18 PM   
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As you can imagine this topic is a "regular one."

The best definitive thread on this subject that I've read was started by MH.

Service, be careful what you wish for.

In general, I don't think "the other person's happiness" is enough and from that point of view I coined the term of the "unpaid labor doctrine." (Note: although its clear from the plain english, the unpaid labor doctrine does not apply to spouses, lovers, subs or other such designated intimate partners.)

Several Mistresses (actually just two) really took issue with me on that one. Littlesarbon's comments here are especially pointed.

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RE: Male Slave- service only situation - 7/25/2006 2:17:35 PM   
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I just read the thread posts on the "Unpaid Labor Doctrine", cloudboy.
Are you, by any chance, a lawyer? (don't answer that). Good show!
You are one tenacious Bulldog!
P.S. I agree with you.
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