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"The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn't they bomb (the railway lines)?"

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

first---why do you care? you haven't prompted the thread with any thoughts or reaction to the article and my limited experience is that you are irrationally hostile to Christianity.

more importantly, there is nothing in the text of the article in terms of direct quotes by the pope that fully support the article's or the thread's title.

being catholic, the pope is well acquainted with Augustine's and Aquinas' conditions for a "just war", which implies Christians being morally/ethically correct in going to, and logistically supporting war, so the odds are pretty good he did not in fact say what you and the huffington post are saying he said.

unlike the quakers, amish and a few others, the catholic faith is not pacifist faith and the official position of the catholic church as concerns war is laid out in their catechism, part III, section III safeguarding peace and sub section 2307-2317, the latter of which, 2309-2317 deal with the very topic at hand in a way completely contrary to the supposition of the huffington post.

if you are genuinely interested and would like direct quotes of the sections, I trust you can find them online.

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Se tu ti fidi soltanto degli uomini, hai perso. [risate e applausi]. A me fa pensare una sola cosa: gente, dirigenti, imprenditori che si dicono cristiani e fabbricano armi [applausi]. E quello dà un poco di sfiducia. Ma si dicono cristiani! No no padre, io non fabbrico! Soltanto ho i miei investimenti nelle fabbriche di armi. Eh! E perché? Perché gli interessi sono un poco più alti. E anche la doppia faccia è moneta corrente oggi. Dire una cosa e farne un’altra [applausi]. L’ipocrisia. Ma vediamo cosa è successo il secolo scorso.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Religion is inadequate and corrupted as a basis for seeking, preserving or maintaining peace. From this century and the 20th century going back, few military actions were taken for those purposes.

On the contrary, religion has all too often been used as a means to rally people to military action resulting all too often in anything but...preserving the peace.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Religion is inadequate and corrupted as a basis for seeking, preserving or maintaining peace. From this century and the 20th century going back, few military actions were taken for those purposes.

On the contrary, religion has all too often been used as a means to rally people to military action resulting all too often in anything but...preserving the peace.

So since we should ignore religion you see no reason to pay attention to this.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

first---why do you care? you haven't prompted the thread with any thoughts or reaction to the article and my limited experience is that you are irrationally hostile to Christianity.

more importantly, there is nothing in the text of the article in terms of direct quotes by the pope that fully support the article's or the thread's title.

being catholic, the pope is well acquainted with Augustine's and Aquinas' conditions for a "just war", which implies Christians being morally/ethically correct in going to, and logistically supporting war, so the odds are pretty good he did not in fact say what you and the huffington post are saying he said.

unlike the quakers, amish and a few others, the catholic faith is not pacifist faith and the official position of the catholic church as concerns war is laid out in their catechism, part III, section III safeguarding peace and sub section 2307-2317, the latter of which, 2309-2317 deal with the very topic at hand in a way completely contrary to the supposition of the huffington post.

if you are genuinely interested and would like direct quotes of the sections, I trust you can find them online.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

first---why do you care? you haven't prompted the thread with any thoughts or reaction to the article and my limited experience is that you are irrationally hostile to Christianity.

more importantly, there is nothing in the text of the article in terms of direct quotes by the pope that fully support the article's or the thread's title.

being catholic, the pope is well acquainted with Augustine's and Aquinas' conditions for a "just war", which implies Christians being morally/ethically correct in going to, and logistically supporting war, so the odds are pretty good he did not in fact say what you and the huffington post are saying he said.

unlike the quakers, amish and a few others, the catholic faith is not pacifist faith and the official position of the catholic church as concerns war is laid out in their catechism, part III, section III safeguarding peace and sub section 2307-2317, the latter of which, 2309-2317 deal with the very topic at hand in a way completely contrary to the supposition of the huffington post.

if you are genuinely interested and would like direct quotes of the sections, I trust you can find them online.

at this link you can find the original text of his speech and here is the quote you asked:

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Se tu ti fidi soltanto degli uomini, hai perso. [risate e applausi]. A me fa pensare una sola cosa: gente, dirigenti, imprenditori che si dicono cristiani e fabbricano armi [applausi]. E quello dà un poco di sfiducia. Ma si dicono cristiani! No no padre, io non fabbrico! Soltanto ho i miei investimenti nelle fabbriche di armi. Eh! E perché? Perché gli interessi sono un poco più alti. E anche la doppia faccia è moneta corrente oggi. Dire una cosa e farne un’altra [applausi]. L’ipocrisia. Ma vediamo cosa è successo il secolo scorso.

I guess I need to translate

if you trust only the men, you lost. [laughter and applauses]. There is just one thing that makes me think: people, managers, business owners, that call themself christians and produce weapons [applauses]. That's what brings distrust. But they call themself christians! "No no father, I don't produce! I just have my investments in weapon's companies." What?! Why is that? "because the interests are a little higher" also a double face is currency today. Say something and do another one [applauses]. The hypocrisy. So let's see what happened the last century.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01





Rick Santorum is going to shit

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Most of the extreme rightists like  Sen. frothy and fox news have turned on the Pope, because the Pope is following the bible.


There is a huge difference between "fans" of Jesus and followers of Jesus.


Fans say they love Jesus and then act like sarah palin.


Followers feed the poor and heal the sick, house the homeless and cloth the naked, like liberals do.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Most of the extreme rightists like  Sen. frothy and fox news have turned on the Pope, because the Pope is following the bible.


There is a huge difference between "fans" of Jesus and followers of Jesus.


Fans say they love Jesus and then act like sarah palin.


Followers feed the poor and heal the sick, house the homeless and cloth the naked, like liberals do.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Most of the extreme rightists like  Sen. frothy and fox news have turned on the Pope, because the Pope is following the bible.


There is a huge difference between "fans" of Jesus and followers of Jesus.


Fans say they love Jesus and then act like sarah palin.


Followers feed the poor and heal the sick, house the homeless and cloth the naked, like liberals do.

tough subject keeping in mind that Jesus Christ rebelled against the Jews

How does that come into play here...........or not?

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Most of the extreme rightists like  Sen. frothy and fox news have turned on the Pope, because the Pope is following the bible.


There is a huge difference between "fans" of Jesus and followers of Jesus.


Fans say they love Jesus and then act like sarah palin.


Followers feed the poor and heal the sick, house the homeless and cloth the naked, like liberals do.

tough subject keeping in mind that Jesus Christ rebelled against the Jews

How does that come into play here...........or not?

Not a biblical scholar here... But...

1) Jesus WAS a Jew
2) He rebelled against the Jewish Elite, and their evil capitalism (Yes Jesus was a hardcore Socialist) and their turning the Temple into a Marketplace.
3) To simply state that he "rebelled against the Jews" is misleading

Unless you know something I don't?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

first---why do you care? you haven't prompted the thread with any thoughts or reaction to the article and my limited experience is that you are irrationally hostile to Christianity.

more importantly, there is nothing in the text of the article in terms of direct quotes by the pope that fully support the article's or the thread's title.

being catholic, the pope is well acquainted with Augustine's and Aquinas' conditions for a "just war", which implies Christians being morally/ethically correct in going to, and logistically supporting war, so the odds are pretty good he did not in fact say what you and the huffington post are saying he said.

unlike the quakers, amish and a few others, the catholic faith is not pacifist faith and the official position of the catholic church as concerns war is laid out in their catechism, part III, section III safeguarding peace and sub section 2307-2317, the latter of which, 2309-2317 deal with the very topic at hand in a way completely contrary to the supposition of the huffington post.

if you are genuinely interested and would like direct quotes of the sections, I trust you can find them online.

I`m am a Christian and a believer in liberation theology.

Who the fuck are you again?

I`m not a Catholic but I`m ok with anyone who is a good faith player of any denomination. 

I`m even ok with Atheists of good will or anyone who isn`t a malfeasant prick, regardless.

I also have little respect or time for uber-religious dolts who think they know someone else`s faith better .

That kind of Christian is a real jack ass.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If I could provide you with a direct quote... what would you say then?

Butch