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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
When it comes to movies, TV, and popular culture in general, one common theme that never really set well with me was the idea that the masses and the common people are helpless, inept, stupid, and just far too powerless to bring about any change in their society - unless they are led by some "blessed" and/or "chosen" individual to lead them - whether it's "The One" in The Matrix or a Jedi Knight or Chuck Norris or the "fastest gun west of the Pecos." Even The Matrix trilogy suggests that any kind of change would be impossible without the help of someone at the very top level of power, such as The Oracle. But that makes the role of "The One" somewhat meaningless, since if he was killed, all she'd have to do is program up another "One."
Yes our scifi movies are used for and reflect everything that people get shot for if they dare speak of it listing real names dates and places of real people living today, in public. Even the name of their ship: Nebuchadnezzar suggests a deeper meaning than just 'a ship'.
There is a lot put into some of these movies that whisk by people completely oblivious to what is really being depicted, presented in a fictional setting, though much of it refers to things that are very real if one cares to look just beneath the surface, hence 'sci-fi'.
The sad fact is that people are 99% impotent to inspire real change. That is change that will actually root out and clean up 'mob rule'. Most people so so ignorant to the contrivances and mechanisms they do not recognise how they are being led by the nose throughout their whole lives to promote their own demise, or at least that of their children. The reason this is so easy for our puppet masters and impossible for the people is that the puppet masters only need simply rewrite the rule book, ducking under another rock until they are rooted out and the process repeats. By the time we the good people sort it all out in the courts while they destroy evidence, cover up whatever cant be labelled and filed under national security, another 100 years ticks by, hence the shadow in the final edition of the trilogy. Out of site out of mind while the average people are dealing with simply trying to feed their babies, make a comfortable lives for themselves, while saving enough so they can take a break at 70.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
And don't you find that interesting, in and of itself? All these people working individually, without any solidarity, yet mostly duplicating each other's efforts and making each other redundant, spending their entire lifetime and devoting all that time and energy to try to "prove" something that can't be proven? Sad thing is, even if they could prove any of these conspiracy theories, it wouldn't make a hill of beans of difference to those living in Peoria and Podunk.
Well thats not the case. They even control the rhetoric. For instance, the use of the words 'conspiracy theory' as a pejorative was launched by the CIA as an attack on anyone who did not go along with the 'governments official version'.
The reality is that the greater majority of what these elites are doing is not easily adjudicable much less a conspiracy because they dream up operations that are outside the 'letter' of the law under the protection of their attorneys and other mobsters within the organization which are nearly impossible to prove without deep inside info. It takes years for the information to leak to the general public if it ever does at all and rest assured it wont until all the perps are dead.
Case in point the NSA, the prez's attorney simply said yeh spying on everyone is legal, he wrote orders for the NSA to spy on everyone and filed them with his attorney who filed them in his PRIVATE [the attorneys] safe. Meanwhile those who take orders from the prez are obligated to follow those orders were assured it was legal and did so.
Of course now we know it was all illegal, the perps are out of office and who do we sue?
When you have a large organization like government, effectively infiltrated, 'coincidence' and 'incompetence' become the norm.
Euphemisms for 'situational manipulation', 'negligence', and ultimately 'treason' against the 'intent' of the entire purpose for their creation [as understood 'by the people'] in the first place. Constant smoke mirrors and bait and switch then propaganda tactics to cover it all up used against its own citizens.
So yeh its a crime, but not under that label, not in law, you wont find remedy in any court of law but must be taken into either equity or trust venues 'first' but what common joe plumber has the means to even effectively and correctly even state the claim much less strike back, and the people who we chose to do it in government (mostly attorneys) are either terrified for their lives or on the payroll?
Lets take it to the local level. Why would any attorney want to straighten out the disaster we have in muni law when there is so fucking much money to be made with 'presumption' is **always** in favor of the government? Many perfectly valid cases simply get washed down the drain because they cant meet the threshold to defeat summary judgment which effectively removes your right to a jury trial for what you bring into court. Justice in america?
The whole system is nothing more than a mob racket.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
I don't want to sound defeatist or overly cynical here, since history also shows some human progress and enlightened, righteous dissent against tyranny. Even if one could prove that there's some political gambit for total world domination in play, it wouldn't be the first time some megalomaniac or powerful group has tried to do something like that. Ultimately, they end up failing, since there has never really been that much solidarity among the mob. No empire is ever permanent.
On that I disagree. People have always been enlightened. There are people who know and have always known. The problem is that while we have guns we can stick them right up our asses since the operation of the country is accomplished in the courts and even if people wanted to get an army together there would always be opposition propaganda to cause indecision of the infirm. These are common war tactics to diffuse the enemy. Joe plumber is clueless and most assuredly in taking up arms will wind up shooting the wrong person, the patsies while the root thrives.
So that said, I wont argue that a specific 'empire' permanent, but I will argue that those who are behind directing the empire are in fact permanent. They have been forced to share through the requirements of explansion to retain their power, but when the noise is filtered out it always goes back to the same puppet masters.
The problem is not that people can not and have not proven that these conspiracy 'theories' are in fact genuine 'conspiracies', its that when they are proven there is simply no place to go with them to adjudicate a remedy. Kennedy, tonkin, gladio, northwoods, big city, mku, 911, they are all well documented and proven with no court to adjudicate the complaints.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
And that's the trap that we fall into. That's the real danger here, not any actual "conspiracy." Even if there is some sort of "grand conspiracy" at work, it doesn't actually mean that the "conspirators" really know what they're doing. To illustrate what I mean, if I was to assume that there was some elite "cabal" of powerful individuals secretly directing the actions of the US government, then I would still have cause to wonder whether these particular powerful individuals are truly smart enough to know the ramifications of what they're doing. I would wonder the same thing about those in power in pre-revolutionary France or Russia or the government of Germany before Hitler's rise to power. Just like Marie Antoinette, a lot of people in power have oftentimes been incredibly clueless and oblivious to the consequences of what they're doing.
I'd go along with that until you get to the conspirators knowing what they are doing. They know damn well what they are doing and as I pointed out in an earlier post these operations depend on hundreds if not thousands of people 'simply doing their job' while those who understand the precise breakdown points control those points under the guise of plausible deniability. People generally do not understand the intricacies of intelligence work. Example, I told this college kid, do you know the fbi can turn on your cell phone without your knowledge and listen to whatever is going on? The response was, "well I dont have anything to hide, so why do I care". Is it no surprise that Churchhill said what he did about democracy?
I could say clueless and oblivious about the public at large.
Keep in mind, that america and the uk put hitler in power. The documentary lays all the groundwork for that too as he runs through years leading up to kennedy and today.
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