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Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 7:31:44 AM   
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-gop-abortion-rape-meltdown
Inside The GOP Meltdown On Abortion And Rape

Tens of thousands of Americans descended on Washington for the annual March For Life on Thursday only to see House Republicans melt down over their signature issue: abortion.

A symbolic messaging bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy threw the party into disarray and was abruptly pulled at the last minute after a group of GOP women and swing-district lawmakers raised hackles over a rape-exception provision that required victims of sexual assault to report the crime to authorities before they could get an abortion.

"None of us saw it coming," Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC) told reporters on Thursday.

The rebellion was lit in recent days by women in the conference, primarily Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC), as well as more centrist members including a sizable faction of freshmen in swing districts. Republican leaders and conservatives were blindsided — after all, they had comfortably passed similar legislation in the last Congress with the same rape clause.

"I was surprised," Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL) told TPM. "But it's a new Congress. You know, new people are up here. And I know some of the younger members didn't want to have such a strong statement on that."

A perplexed Hudson added, "We voted on the same legislation last [congress] and these concerns weren't raised. So that's why I think leadership didn't anticipate the concerns being raised. So that's why I don't fault them. I think they're doing the best they can."

Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.

"The less we engage on this issue [of rape] legislatively, the better off we are as a party," he said. "What kind of message are we sending?"

In the end, Republican leaders pulled the bill and took a bullet for their objecting members, who were facing the wrath of anti-abortion advocates. Opponents admitted it likely would have passed despite their objections, but the drama over the rape clause would have put moderates in a bind and threatened to damage the party's brand.

"I would prefer that our party spend less time focusing on these very contentious social issues because that distracts us from broader economic messages," Dent said. "This was a messaging bill that was going nowhere in the Senate."

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 2:50:38 PM   
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Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.


Why in the Hell are legislators passing things they haven't read closely?!? That irritates the snot out of me (and with this head cold, I have a lot of snot!!)!!

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 2:56:07 PM   
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The thing that concerns me most about this (and I only read what Lucy quoted) is the following...

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Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.


Why in the Hell are legislators passing things they haven't read closely?!? That irritates the snot out of me (and with this head cold, I have a lot of snot!!)!!



It's because the rules have changed, DS. It has now been established by the liars and manipulators of the Democratic Party that, from now on, we have to pass it to see what's in it. Thank that Pelosi bint.



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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 3:01:02 PM   
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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 3:07:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		But she having never said anything remotely close to that, except in a deceptively edited and lying ass 'conservative' clip by none other than Faux Nuze, it has given the slobbering right wing many hours of masturbatory spew of their simpletonian and as always, lying, shiteating asswipe propaganda.

Here is what she actually said:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4096283/pelosis-puzzling-health-care-plea/?#sp=show-clips

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 3:48:52 PM   
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The thing that concerns me most about this (and I only read what Lucy quoted) is the following...
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Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.

Why in the Hell are legislators passing things they haven't read closely?!? That irritates the snot out of me (and with this head cold, I have a lot of snot!!)!!

It's because the rules have changed, DS. It has now been established by the liars and manipulators of the Democratic Party that, from now on, we have to pass it to see what's in it. Thank that Pelosi bint.
Michael


I don't accept that rule change. We need to get it changed back.


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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 4:01:17 PM   
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edited to add an apology as i took you were talking about this bill, sorry

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 4:19:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The thing that concerns me most about this (and I only read what Lucy quoted) is the following...
quote:

Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.

Why in the Hell are legislators passing things they haven't read closely?!? That irritates the snot out of me (and with this head cold, I have a lot of snot!!)!!

It's because the rules have changed, DS. It has now been established by the liars and manipulators of the Democratic Party that, from now on, we have to pass it to see what's in it. Thank that Pelosi bint.
Michael


I don't accept that rule change. We need to get it changed back.




It isn't a rule change, DS, as always is lying.

have a gander at this chart:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

This is mindnumbing, and doesn't include the individual or aggregate amendments, bullshit resolutions, and so on. And then you have all the pet projects to work on, a bridge here, a little old ladies cat and you have speeches and soundbites to work on, and the fact that you don't know a goddamn thing about crop subsidies, military logistics, or research and development of star wars technology, so you give the bill to a staffer, saying something like, 'I am for the American farmer', how should I vote on this, or 'Millions for defense not a penny for tribute', how do I vote on this, or grab a wad of shitpaper from the NRA or some anti-gun lobbying group who has given your campaign millions and says, this will be good for guns, or this will stop killing little babies in walmart...

Or, internally, I voted for your bill, and this isn't gonna affect your district, so you vote for mine now.

How much of the USC have you read, DS and DS?

Yeah, didn't think so.


(oh yeah, and 55 bills repealing Obamacare, and NOBODY is going to read that dogshit, even the twatwaffles who introduced the bill).

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 7:27:28 PM   
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I don't accept that rule change. We need to get it changed back.



I agree. It's a crappy rule but we're playing on the PPLs' field, now.



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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/30/2015 8:02:29 PM   
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Fuckin stupid.

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 1:46:12 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


FFS grow up

More topic less personal attacks

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 3:32:02 AM   
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I don't accept that rule change. We need to get it changed back.

I agree. It's a crappy rule but we're playing on the PPLs' field, now.


I'm all for requiring each representative and senator read the bills before them. Regardless of whom submitted them. And tested on them, BEFORE, the debate and vote. Yes, would slow the process down. But then, they dont seem to do much in Congress right now, so who would really notice?

Maybe add that each time the person gets a flunking exam, they are disallowed from voting on the bill either way.


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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 3:52:37 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


FFS grow up

More topic less personal attacks


It's okay, Sanity. he's pissed because I put his ignorant, slandering ass on ignore, a few weeks ago.

Funny thing is; I'm almost never angry (because I hide ignorant shit heads, here) so, I guess my "anger management" is going better than his "You don't have to be a dickhead, every day" classes because he certainly is one of those.



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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 5:24:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

The thing that concerns me most about this (and I only read what Lucy quoted) is the following...

quote:

Center-right Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) strongly criticized the abortion bill, suggesting that it passed with the rape clause in 2013 only because most members hadn't read it closely.


Why in the Hell are legislators passing things they haven't read closely?!? That irritates the snot out of me (and with this head cold, I have a lot of snot!!)!!



It's because the rules have changed, DS. It has now been established by the liars and manipulators of the Democratic Party that, from now on, we have to pass it to see what's in it. Thank that Pelosi bint.



Michael

You realize of course that this is the way congress (both parties) has been doing business since before Pelosi needed botox.

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 6:28:30 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


FFS grow up

More topic less personal attacks


It's okay, Sanity. he's pissed because I put his ignorant, slandering ass on ignore, a few weeks ago.

Funny thing is; I'm almost never angry (because I hide ignorant shit heads, here) so, I guess my "anger management" is going better than his "You don't have to be a dickhead, every day" classes because he certainly is one of those.



Michael

I see you're humorless as well.

But true, when I called you on your nonsense, you decided to run and declare victory rather than support it.

Same thing here. I don't have to do it--others are eating your lunch on this, and rightly so.

Sanity, same thing. He gets called on nonsense, and since he can't support it, drags out the tired troll silliness.

Both parties have a LONG history of blatant lies. It's unfortunate. Even more so that people support it on "their side." It doesn't help, any more than the childishness and straw men trotted out as if argument.

I love those discussions where I can really dig in with someone who disagrees and is ready to delve into the issues. I learn, at least how things look from their perspective, and why. I'll even alter my position when I encounter good arguments I'd never considered.

But SO much more mud-slinging and "don't you know that" and "I never said" and "so you're saying" and "you're a ____ so it's stupid anyway" or, in the case of posters like you and Sanity, "I don't care about your points, I just disagree because I'm determined to win arguments with you, at least in my head if I can't do it with real evidence."

At times, you're a good guy--it shows through. So much more, you're clearly in pain, and react angerly -- you don't have to throw things or shout to be angry. You just display the behaviors you're doing here.

I hope it gets better. I like Michael when he's not being a dick.

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 8:19:45 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


FFS grow up

More topic less personal attacks


It's okay, Sanity. he's pissed because I put his ignorant, slandering ass on ignore, a few weeks ago.

Funny thing is; I'm almost never angry (because I hide ignorant shit heads, here) so, I guess my "anger management" is going better than his "You don't have to be a dickhead, every day" classes because he certainly is one of those.



Michael


He is just a troll. He cannot honestly debate a topic so, just like mnot and a few others he goes full troll on every thread

When he isnt busy lecturing others about trollishness, of course

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 8:24:07 AM   
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The meta-troll speaks.

...as usual, trolling about trolling. A poor victim in a sea of trolls.

So he keeps coming back ....

Really, someone should be doing a case study on this.


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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 8:30:10 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


FFS grow up

More topic less personal attacks


It's okay, Sanity. he's pissed because I put his ignorant, slandering ass on ignore, a few weeks ago.

Funny thing is; I'm almost never angry (because I hide ignorant shit heads, here) so, I guess my "anger management" is going better than his "You don't have to be a dickhead, every day" classes because he certainly is one of those.



Michael


He is just a troll. He cannot honestly debate a topic so, just like mnot and a few others he goes full troll on every thread

When he isnt busy lecturing others about trollishness, of course

where is your contribution to the actual thread topic...oh thats right you havent made one
what a surprise


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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 8:31:17 AM   
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How are those anger management classes going, Michael?


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FFS. Grow up.

A little topic, less name-calling?

Will the real meta-troll please stand up

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RE: Republican women doing the right thing. - 1/31/2015 8:33:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you got anything on the topic?

Doesn't look that way, does it.

What's that called again? Where you just post to call out reactions but without addressing the topic?





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