Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville....

Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

OwnerFiftyNine -> Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/28/2014 6:03:15 PM)
Armed check points?! How is this different from the armed terrorists taking over parts of Ukraine....? http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/how-will-the-bundy-saga-wind-down-237382723582

RottenJohnny -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/28/2014 6:24:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OwnerFiftyNine Armed check points?! How is this different from the armed terrorists taking over parts of Ukraine....? http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/how-will-the-bundy-saga-wind-down-237382723582 They're not Russians.

Tkman117 -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/28/2014 7:10:27 PM)
How does that make it any better?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/28/2014 8:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 How does that make it any better? RJ didn't say it was any better, and Owner59 didn't ask how it was better. The question was how was it different. What's really pathetic is the report's implication that the racist spewings of Bundy somehow makes him more wrong in his "grazing fees" stance. I'm surprised, though, that this claim of a police state being set up by the militias is being supported. There wasn't any actual proof, other than a claim by a Democrat official talking about "constituents' " claims of checkpoints. The local Sheriff was on the radio the day before didn't mention the militia checkpoints. Somehow, the militia's stance opposing the BLM is somehow wrong because of Bundy's racist comments. The two things are unrelated and have no bearing on each other. I believe Bundy is wrong in his not paying Federal grazing fees. I think the militias are wrong in their support of Bundy (because Bundy is wrong). None of that has to do with Bundy being a racist, though. I wonder if Rev. Wright should get thrown into jail for jaywalking because of the racism that's spewed from his mouth.

OwnerFiftyNine -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/28/2014 10:11:38 PM)
bundy was wrong and lost in court long before it was found out he was a dumb-shit bigot. Now......after that fact......that people, like yourself are overlooking his bigotry means you`re ok with it. Go ahead......try to separate out welfare queen moocher tax-cheat from the ugly bigot......see how far ya get...... The kook only has legitimacy with the lunatic fringe......not with normal Americans. I`ve also read reports that not all of bundy`s neighbors like him or his mooching ways.

tweakabelle -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 2:58:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What's really pathetic is the report's implication that the racist spewings of Bundy somehow makes him more wrong in his "grazing fees" stance. [....] Somehow, the militia's stance opposing the BLM is somehow wrong because of Bundy's racist comments. The two things are unrelated and have no bearing on each other. I believe Bundy is wrong in his not paying Federal grazing fees. I think the militias are wrong in their support of Bundy (because Bundy is wrong). None of that has to do with Bundy being a racist, though. You are correct to state that Bundy's racism doesn't directly affect his other issues with the Fed Govt. But it does impinge on his and the militia's claims of patriotism. And it will certainly negatively affect the public's view of his struggle. Most people are reluctant to identify themselves with open bigots, for good reason. It seems that in your country and in mine, the label 'patriot' has been co-opted by the militant right, who then equates 'patriotism' with a host of contentious claims on their agenda. The net effect of all this is the devaluation of the term 'patriot'. So it's a step forward to see that the racists on the Right will no longer get away with conflating patriotism with their bigotry. Indeed, given that the Constitution offers its benefits to all citizens, regardless of their colour or ethnic heritage, the argument that patriotism and racism are mutually exclusive seems far more persuasive.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 3:17:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What's really pathetic is the report's implication that the racist spewings of Bundy somehow makes him more wrong in his "grazing fees" stance. [....] Somehow, the militia's stance opposing the BLM is somehow wrong because of Bundy's racist comments. The two things are unrelated and have no bearing on each other. I believe Bundy is wrong in his not paying Federal grazing fees. I think the militias are wrong in their support of Bundy (because Bundy is wrong). None of that has to do with Bundy being a racist, though. You are correct to state that Bundy's racism doesn't directly affect his other issues with the Fed Govt. But it does impinge on his and the militia's claims of patriotism. And it will certainly negatively affect the public's view of his struggle. Most people are reluctant to identify themselves with open bigots, for good reason. It seems that in your country and in mine, the label 'patriot' has been co-opted by the militant right, who then equates 'patriotism' with a host of contentious claims on their agenda. The net effect of all this is the devaluation of the term 'patriot'. So it's a step forward to see that the racists on the Right will no longer get away with conflating patriotism with their bigotry. Indeed, given that the Constitution offers its benefits to all citizens, regardless of their colour or ethnic heritage, the argument that patriotism and racism are mutually exclusive seems far more persuasive. Patriotism and racism can co-exist, as one is about Country, and the other is about skin color (which does not define country). I read a very interesting article about the "patriot" label. The interesting point the author made was that a patriot doesn't have to be correct, but the patriot does have to truly believe that what he is standing for will improve his country. Thus, a Liberal can call himself a patriot in supporting a larger government that provides more services while a Conservative can call himself a patriot for supporting the idea that government should be limited and provide fewer services. That's the problem with terms such as "patriot." Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? The militia man quoted in the OP's link stated that the comments Bundy made have no bearing on why they are there. Their patriotic stand (according to them) has nothing to do with racial discrimination at all. A racist has the same rights under the Constitution as non-racists. So, even though Bundy may be an ignorant fucktard, that doesn't give the government the right to infringe on any of his rights (DomKen, please note that I am not implying that the BLM is infringing on his rights to graze on Federal lands, but referred to "his rights" in a general, non-specific manner).

tweakabelle -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 4:31:04 AM)
quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values.

jlf1961 -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 6:12:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values. It is the tactic of extremists liberals as well. You gain support by telling people that some ethnic or religious group is the reason for your problems, show them examples of the "enemy's" misdeeds, while hiding yours, and bingo, you have a war, political power, whatever you were trying for. In the US we have the right's "war on women" and the left's "war on religion." the actual truth is somewhere in the middle. The tactic is called "give the people someone to hate."

mnottertail -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 6:49:22 AM)
quote: Patriotism and racism can co-exist, as one is about Country, and the other is about skin color (which does not define country). But not in this country, we had a war that got around to being a little bit about that very thing, and we decided that 'We, the People', meant what it said.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 7:04:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values. Bull shit. You're conflating patriotism on the Right in the US with racism, bigotry, etc. That's a tried and true tactic of the Liberals in the US (no claims for what goes on outside the US). It's done simply to attempt to misguide and defeat those on the Right. The very idea that someone disagrees with a Liberals view is enough for that person to be chastised as racist, homophobic, and/or otherwise bigoted. It's bullshit.

mnottertail -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 7:06:50 AM)
No, it is not so much a matter of the disagreement with the view, it is the impetus and reasons behind it that lead to such charges.

OwnerFiftyNine -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 7:37:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values. Bull shit. You're conflating patriotism on the Right in the US with racism, bigotry, etc. That's a tried and true tactic of the Liberals in the US (no claims for what goes on outside the US). It's done simply to attempt to misguide and defeat those on the Right. The very idea that someone disagrees with a Liberals view is enough for that person to be chastised as racist, homophobic, and/or otherwise bigoted. It's bullshit. Big difference......the only party requiring forced government pre abortion ultrasounds is your....you know,reality. While, your party needs to make up phony "wars on Christmas" stories with no basis in reality...... Spinning folk`s natural revulsion to your homosexual bigotry as a war on your religion is just more of the same turd your party feeds off. I`m ok with your party`s dip shits thinking virtues like patriotism will cancel out their racism ......[:D] Their twisted idea of patriotism is pointing weapons at federal agents .[X(]

joether -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 8:31:25 AM)
There is a big difference between 'Patriotism' and 'Ideological Fanaticism'. A Patriot is one that loves his country (and his government to an extent). They want the people to always be doing better than they are, and protect those that can not protect themselves. Those militia are NOT patriots. You could make the argument that they are pseudo-patriots.... Those militias are operating as ideological fanatics right now. They view the US Government (and in fact all governments below that level) with total suspicion and out right fear. The most extreme members are simply well beyond reasoning and rationalizing. The rest of the herd, feel that they are employing their 2nd amendment rights the way the founders believed. Not realizing of course, that the 2nd amendment was NEVER implied directly or indirectly to be used to arm thieves and bandits to terrorize the American population and to threaten a just and correctly elected government. So if it proves true that they have formed checkpoints, and handling things in a manner that scares and/or intimidates the local citizenry; I think its fair we send in law enforcement. And 'explain' to those 'illegal'-militias that their behavior will not be tolerated. And that they have to follow the laws of the land like anyone else. The reason why many of these group have not left Mr. Bundy's side after the video showing him as a racist is due to a simple fact: They too are racist! How many non-whites have any of us seen in these militia groups with Mr. Bundy? NONE. An if those checkpoints are real, do those militia treat non-whites any differently from the whites? All in all, it will take law enforcement to restore order. Put these militias back under control. And drag that fucker Bundy to federal prison in leg irons until his next trial. Oh, and confiscate his cattle for payments and hold a public BBQ!

tweakabelle -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 8:31:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values. Bull shit. You're conflating patriotism on the Right in the US with racism, bigotry, etc. That's a tried and true tactic of the Liberals in the US (no claims for what goes on outside the US). It's done simply to attempt to misguide and defeat those on the Right. The very idea that someone disagrees with a Liberals view is enough for that person to be chastised as racist, homophobic, and/or otherwise bigoted. It's bullshit. I made it very clear in my post that my comments were directed at sections of the "militant Right" in the US, not at the Right generally. I wrote: "I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values." So your response evades my point entirely . To clarify further, my comments were directed at the types of people who have formed a militia to defend Bundy, which are a minority of the Right and at those who try to conflate 'patriotism' with their extreme agendas and who label any one who disagrees with their bigotries as 'unpatriotic' or 'un-American'.

cloudboy -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 9:10:22 AM)
Here's a good segment from Bill Maher. Clever comparions of FOX news being disturbed by unarmed black panthers at a polling station and lionizing a right wing, anti-government Clive Bundy sniper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQB5GgOdKDw

MercTech -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 9:25:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OwnerFiftyNine Armed check points?! How is this different from the armed terrorists taking over parts of Ukraine....? http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/how-will-the-bundy-saga-wind-down-237382723582 One side: The Ukrainians are rebelling against a government forced upon them by outside power back in the 1800s. A government accused of being corrupt. Other Side: Vladimire Putin is able to orchestrate civil unrest by thousands who want to get rid of the provisional Ukrainian government and form a province of Russia instead. I know the party line is that the Ukraine is the victim of Russian aggression. But, really, what business is it of ours except to foment another war for the U.S. to get into to distract the populace.

joether -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 11:03:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: OwnerFiftyNine Armed check points?! How is this different from the armed terrorists taking over parts of Ukraine....? http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/how-will-the-bundy-saga-wind-down-237382723582 One side: The Ukrainians are rebelling against a government forced upon them by outside power back in the 1800s. A government accused of being corrupt. Other Side: Vladimire Putin is able to orchestrate civil unrest by thousands who want to get rid of the provisional Ukrainian government and form a province of Russia instead. I know the party line is that the Ukraine is the victim of Russian aggression. But, really, what business is it of ours except to foment another war for the U.S. to get into to distract the populace. You are aware that we are dealing with an issue inside the United States of America, right? Has nothing to do with things in another country. So your argument is largely irrelevant to the topic. You might try your argument over on another thread....

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 12:28:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Who is conflating patriotism with their bigotry? Conflating patriotism with bigotry is tried and tested tactic of the militant Right internationally. The emphasis on patriotism, Nation etc goes back to the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s. Since then the emphasis on patriotism has been a constant feature of Right wing movements everywhere. See for example the English Defence League, the US's Right positoning itself as a 'defender' of the Constitution, their oppositon to immigration and foreigners, the never ending exhortations to "turn the country around" and to "restore former glory" to mention just a few examples. Any image of the militia's at Bunkerville will display an inordinate number of US flags flying. This claim to partiotism and the notion of themselves as exemplary patriots is central to the militant Right's image (and self image), its rhetoric and its political program everywhere. * The partiotism they espouse is a very particular kind - it is white, pro-gun, anti-minority (whether racial or sexual or whatever) shrill on law and order (unless the criminal in question is one of their own), pro-military, pro-war. Arrogant and intolerant, it is the repositiory of all kinds of bigotry and fierce oppositon to racial and/or sexual and/or marriage equality, social change and justice. It then tries to pass these collected attributes off as 'patriotic'. Is this a genuine patriotism or a political posture? Countries such as ours contain large and diverse minority groups. To maximise social cohesion, inclusion and equality of opportunity, to protect and promote diversity, it is more important for societies such as ours to combat racism and social exclusion and marginalisation that might otherwise be the case. The tension between this broad imperative and the narrow type of 'patriotism' promoted by sections of the militant Right outlined above is such that one excludes the other. Despite its posturing, the militant Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism. Those of us genuinely interested in promoting our countries various real interests will reject any 'patriotism' sullied by bigotry - ultimately it is an unpatriotic notion, not in the best interests of either of our countries. * I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values. Bull shit. You're conflating patriotism on the Right in the US with racism, bigotry, etc. That's a tried and true tactic of the Liberals in the US (no claims for what goes on outside the US). It's done simply to attempt to misguide and defeat those on the Right. The very idea that someone disagrees with a Liberals view is enough for that person to be chastised as racist, homophobic, and/or otherwise bigoted. It's bullshit. I made it very clear in my post that my comments were directed at sections of the "militant Right" in the US, not at the Right generally. I wrote: "I should emphasise that this view of patriotism is espoused by sections of the militant Right is parasitical, perverting and piggy backing on more traditional and sincerely held broad Right values." So your response evades my point entirely . To clarify further, my comments were directed at the types of people who have formed a militia to defend Bundy, which are a minority of the Right and at those who try to conflate 'patriotism' with their extreme agendas and who label any one who disagrees with their bigotries as 'unpatriotic' or 'un-American'. And, to further explain, you're still wrong. The militia guys aren't there to knowingly aid and abet (hey, Ken, I think they are aiding and abetting, but not purposefully). They are standing up for the rights of the Citizens and the State in the face of the Federal Government. As long as they are doing it out of a desire to make the country a better place for all (ie. improve it), how is that not patriotic? As mentioned before, they don't have to be right to be acting patriotically. I'm sure there are militants on the right that aren't acting patriotically. But, I don't know that the militias that showed up to stand with Bundy weren't. We agree it's dead ass wrong when one group labels another group with a differing opinion as "unpatriotic" or "un-American" simply because their opinions disagree. But, that sort of bullshit knows no aisle boundary.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check points in bunkerville.... (4/29/2014 12:30:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Here's a good segment from Bill Maher. Clever comparions of FOX news being disturbed by unarmed black panthers at a polling station and lionizing a right wing, anti-government Clive Bundy sniper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQB5GgOdKDw Right, because supporting a person's rights against the Federal Government (just another FYI: I think Bundy was wrong and that the militias are unwittingly supporting the wrong side) is exactly the same as infringing on one's right to vote.

Page: [1] 2 3 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875