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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 12:35:38 PM   
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infringing on one's right to vote.


It's amazing how unarmed black men scare white people more than an armed white one. The first is a menace and the latter is a hero.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 1:02:23 PM   
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You are aware that we are dealing with an issue inside the United States of America, right? Has nothing to do with things in another country. So your argument is largely irrelevant to the topic.

You might try your argument over on another thread....


Ahem, from the start of the topic:

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Armed check points?!



How is this different from the armed terrorists taking over parts of Ukraine....?

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 1:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was pointing out how soviet thug-terrorists differs very little from right-wing thug-terrorists.....

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 5:59:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch"



http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/28/sheriff-urged-clamp-down-armed-militiamen-around-b/

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 6:06:35 PM   
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"Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch"



http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/28/sheriff-urged-clamp-down-armed-militiamen-around-b/


Now that would be interesting to watch, considering most of these militiamen are better armed than most state or county law enforcement agency

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 6:12:01 PM   
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http://aattp.org/cliven-bundys-militias-now-terrorizing-small-town-with-armed-checkpoints-images/


"Democratic Rep. Steven Horsford sent a letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie expressing concern for the safety of residents in the Bunkerville area. In the letter, he explained that his constituents have become uneasy with the presence of armed militiamen from across the country."


http://www.scribd.com/doc/221029434/Horsford-Letter

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/29/2014 6:17:59 PM   
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"Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch"



http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/28/sheriff-urged-clamp-down-armed-militiamen-around-b/


Now that would be interesting to watch, considering most of these militiamen are better armed than most state or county law enforcement agency



Better armed than 6 rangers w/ hand guns, perhaps......


Creepy crackers playing cowboy though......are now match for a real fighting force......








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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 12:00:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gawd, how quickly the foamers-antifoamers lose track of the thread of this topic. To drag the discussion-kicking and screaming-back to where it started, if right wing militias are in fact setting up armed roadblocks, this is another dangerous step toward outright insurrection. This is a symptom of how unstable the situation is with the radical right: if the signs are to be believed, we aren't that far away from outright civil war.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 2:06:54 AM   
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cloudboy
It's amazing how unarmed black men scare white people more than an armed white one. The first is a menace and the latter is a hero.

Indeed.

One is tempted to speculate just how long these checkpoints would last if the militia was composed of blacks. The only unknown is whether to measure the time taken to dismantle them - probably with mass attendant casualties -in seconds minutes or hours. It would take a very persuasive argument to convince me the checkpoints would last more than 24 hours.

A more realistic scenario might be some blacks setting up checkpoints at the entries to some black ghettoes. Does any one believe they would last more than 24 hours?


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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 2:47:13 AM   
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cloudboy
It's amazing how unarmed black men scare white people more than an armed white one. The first is a menace and the latter is a hero.

Indeed.

One is tempted to speculate just how long these checkpoints would last if the militia was composed of blacks. The only unknown is whether to measure the time taken to dismantle them - probably with mass attendant casualties -in seconds minutes or hours. It would take a very persuasive argument to convince me the checkpoints would last more than 24 hours.

A more realistic scenario might be some blacks setting up checkpoints at the entries to some black ghettoes. Does any one believe they would last more than 24 hours?



I don't think you quite understand how ghettos work. If blacks were putting up armed check-points it wouldn't be to keep white people out. Most white people don't want to go to ghettos. Blacks putting up checkpoints at ghettos would likely be there to keep black people in, because most blacks don't want to be in ghettos either. If blacks had their druthers, most would choose to live in neighborhoods with litter free streets that don't have drug dealers and hookers on every corner. Most would choose to live in places with decent schools and the possibility of good jobs.

In America blacks don't need armed checkpoints to keep them in ghettos, though. They have the Democratic Party to convince them that everything white is evil, and that the ghettos would be a great place to live if only those evil Republicans would throw more money at them. As long as the Democrats can keep them convinced that education, religion, and jobs are color coded they can keep blacks in the ghetto without too many problems.

If they ever wise up to the fact that "social justice" and "income inequality" are just suckers games, the Democrats will be in serious trouble.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 4:46:10 AM   
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infringing on one's right to vote.

It's amazing how unarmed black men scare white people more than an armed white one. The first is a menace and the latter is a hero.


It's amazing that the two incidents don't actually have anything in common.

The black man (didn't he have a weapon in his hand?) is intentionally causing fear to prevent Citizens from voting.

The armed (with a gun) white man is supporting a Citizen's rights against the government.

One supporting a Citizen's rights, while the other is infringing on a Citizen's rights. Yeah, totally the same.


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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 4:54:50 AM   
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Gawd, how quickly the foamers-antifoamers lose track of the thread of this topic. To drag the discussion-kicking and screaming-back to where it started, if right wing militias are in fact setting up armed roadblocks, this is another dangerous step toward outright insurrection. This is a symptom of how unstable the situation is with the radical right: if the signs are to be believed, we aren't that far away from outright civil war.


What's really interesting, as I pointed out earlier (Post#4), is that the video in the OP doesn't show a checkpoint, and relies on some un-named source as proof that there are checkpoints. Not too long ago, many people on this board wouldn't accept anonymous sources (stated as those who didn't want to be identified) as real, but that doesn't seem to be the case now.

The sheriff in an interview the day before the OP's video made no mention of militia checkpoints at all.

It makes one wonder if there are checkpoints being put up, and if the militias are running them. If there are, that's one thing, but there has yet to be any proof that is happening.

I'm sure it's just the RWM using their "Fear! Fear! Fear!" tactics.






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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 7:10:11 AM   
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I pointed out an elected official who has received complaints from his constituents about the road blocks...


And considering that these terrorists have already pointed loaded weapons at LEOs.....it`s not a stretch to think they set up armed check points and are stopping locals.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 7:32:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

It's amazing that the two incidents don't actually have anything in common.

The black man (didn't he have a weapon in his hand?) is intentionally causing fear to prevent Citizens from voting.

The armed (with a gun) white man is supporting a Citizen's rights against the government.

One supporting a Citizen's rights, while the other is infringing on a Citizen's rights. Yeah, totally the same.



What these thugs are doing is protecting a man that refuses to pay his bills, and continues to steal from the government by fattening his cattle on public land so he can sell them at a hefty profit. In no way are they protecting anyone's rights. It's funny how these "patriots" would call a single mother on welfare that is trying to feed her kids and put a roof over their heads a parasite on society, yet they protect a thief that is stealing from that same government and owes a million dollars in fees, and call him a hero.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 7:51:05 AM   
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It's amazing that the two incidents don't actually have anything in common.
The black man (didn't he have a weapon in his hand?) is intentionally causing fear to prevent Citizens from voting.
The armed (with a gun) white man is supporting a Citizen's rights against the government.
One supporting a Citizen's rights, while the other is infringing on a Citizen's rights. Yeah, totally the same.

What these thugs are doing is protecting a man that refuses to pay his bills, and continues to steal from the government by fattening his cattle on public land so he can sell them at a hefty profit. In no way are they protecting anyone's rights. It's funny how these "patriots" would call a single mother on welfare that is trying to feed her kids and put a roof over their heads a parasite on society, yet they protect a thief that is stealing from that same government and owes a million dollars in fees, and call him a hero.


No, there is quite the difference. I don't think the militia men think the BLM owns the land, so they aren't supporting this guy's law-breaking, at least not intentionally. While we agree that Bundy should be paying the BLM to graze on the lands, I doubt the militias would agree with us.

The only way the militias would knowingly be doing wrong, is if they knew Bundy legally had to pay the BLM, and they were supporting his decision to not do so. That Bundy thinks he has to pay NV or Clark County (wrong on both accounts, imo) is what the militias believe, too. Thus, the BLM coming in with armed Feds is wrong and should be opposed. Opposition to Federal over-reach is why the militias are there.




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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 8:00:38 AM   
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bundy claims he doesn`t think the US government exists.....but uses US money and falsely sites the US Constitution and waves a US flag.


He`s lost the fight in a US court.He owes the US taxpayer a million dollars and was ordered by a American judge to get HIS cows off OUR land.


We don`t care if the moocher-bigot thinks the land is his.


It clearly isn`t his land.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 8:06:53 AM   
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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 10:03:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		First the source is a Democrat Congressman, based on "statements" made by the residents of Bunkerville NV. The local sheriff is looking into the situation but no criminal report has been filed at this time.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 10:10:00 AM   
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How does that make it any better?


RJ didn't say it was any better, and Owner59 didn't ask how it was better. The question was how was it different.

What's really pathetic is the report's implication that the racist spewings of Bundy somehow makes him more wrong in his "grazing fees" stance.

I'm surprised, though, that this claim of a police state being set up by the militias is being supported. There wasn't any actual proof, other than a claim by a Democrat official talking about "constituents' " claims of checkpoints. The local Sheriff was on the radio the day before didn't mention the militia checkpoints.

Somehow, the militia's stance opposing the BLM is somehow wrong because of Bundy's racist comments. The two things are unrelated and have no bearing on each other.

I believe Bundy is wrong in his not paying Federal grazing fees. I think the militias are wrong in their support of Bundy (because Bundy is wrong). None of that has to do with Bundy being a racist, though.

I wonder if Rev. Wright should get thrown into jail for jaywalking because of the racism that's spewed from his mouth.


What I don't get is guys like you harping on this.

He's wrong, they're wrong, the racism is a tangent -- and yet you're camped on the tangent.

Bottom line, he's wrong, they're wrong, next.

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RE: Rightwing terrorists setting up police state/check ... - 4/30/2014 10:27:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am planning on forming a citizen's militia in my area. And since there are a lot of Dems in my area that own guns, it should be easy.


So anyone interested in joining the "Democratic militia to protect imported whiskey drinkers of the Big Country, BYOB, BYOG, BYOI"

Please note that during the weekly meetings, ammo will be locked up and the key to the armory will be placed in a location that requires a breathalyzer to be passed before it can be unlocked.

All members will contribute to the construction fund for the unlicensed bar bunker.

Last note, the only time we will take up arms against the federal government is if they put a ban on imported whiskey, or place an unreasonable tax on ice, mixers, and bar snacks.

In the event of a zombie apocalypse, we will take refuge with our families in the bar.

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