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MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/29/2014 3:01:41 PM)
DomKen[/quote] I told you, look up the origin of the words angel and devil. It will make it very clear. In short for the thick angel means good guy on the Persian side and deva means good guy on the other. Devil derives from deva but the meaning is reversed. Asura is the evil counterpart to the benevolent deva. One sides good guys became the other sides bad. Seems pretty fucking clear to me. http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/religion.htm [/quote] Etymology Devil descends from the Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of Latin diabolus. This in turn was borrowed from Ancient Greek diábolos (διάβολος), "slanderer",[5] from diaballein "to slander": dia- "across, through" + ballein "to hurl". In the New Testament, "Satan" occurs more than 30 times in passages alongside diábolos, referring to the same person or thing as Satan. The word angel in English is a fusion of the Old English/Germanic word engel (with a hard g) and the Old French angele. Both derive from the Latin angelus which in turn is the romanization of the ancient Greek ἄγγελος (ángelos[5]), "messenger", "envoy",[6] which is related to the Greek verb ἀγγέλλω (angéllō), meaning "bear a message, announce, bring news of" etc.[7] The earliest form of the word is the Mycenaean a-ke-ro attested in Linear B syllabic script

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/29/2014 4:11:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani quote: DomKen I told you, look up the origin of the words angel and devil. It will make it very clear. In short for the thick angel means good guy on the Persian side and deva means good guy on the other. Devil derives from deva but the meaning is reversed. Asura is the evil counterpart to the benevolent deva. One sides good guys became the other sides bad. Seems pretty fucking clear to me. http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/religion.htm Etymology Devil descends from the Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of Latin diabolus. This in turn was borrowed from Ancient Greek diábolos (διάβολος), "slanderer",[5] from diaballein "to slander": dia- "across, through" + ballein "to hurl". In the New Testament, "Satan" occurs more than 30 times in passages alongside diábolos, referring to the same person or thing as Satan. The word angel in English is a fusion of the Old English/Germanic word engel (with a hard g) and the Old French angele. Both derive from the Latin angelus which in turn is the romanization of the ancient Greek ἄγγελος (ángelos[5]), "messenger", "envoy",[6] which is related to the Greek verb ἀγγέλλω (angéllō), meaning "bear a message, announce, bring news of" etc.[7] The earliest form of the word is the Mycenaean a-ke-ro attested in Linear B syllabic script And the ancient greek derives from the sanskrit by way of Persia. I already pointed you to a source that says so. It's pretty trivial to find more. Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daeva http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Hinduism)

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/29/2014 4:23:40 PM)
Mycenean greek is just as old if not older then old indic, so thats debatable. History is not an exact science.

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/29/2014 5:31:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 It would make you wonder what is the good of religion, but those are abused cases, there are many good teachings and churches, that are loving. How do you differentiate? Certainly you'll hate and oppress for Jesus, for example: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4679368 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Take your sign and shove it. Don't use Gods promise as your colors. What you should put on your sign is the picture of an explosion. Smoke that peace pipe. Ok for you I am a bigot. TOUGH. You Are immoral period. It is an abomination! How do you say that others doing the same thing you do are doing it wrong? Oh darling, must be keep going over this?[:D] I have expressed there are certain things we just don't believe in. Now I will apology to you for being a little colorful with my words, but I did feel a little badgered at the time. I would never want to hurt anyone. Trust me, I am better with religion. I have my own demons ya know. I haven't lived a life as pure as the driven snow, so of course I am not always going to say or do the right things all the time.

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/1/2014 3:05:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Oh darling, must be keep going over this?[:D] I have expressed there are certain things we just don't believe in. Then by all means don't fuck any ladies. But when you use your vote to diminish the quality of life for another group that's something different. I for instance don't believe in your religion, should I use my vote to ban it? quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Now I will apology to you for being a little colorful with my words, but I did feel a little badgered at the time. I would never want to hurt anyone. If you had your way what would you do with the abominations?

MrRodgers -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/1/2014 7:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani At least the ancients were honest about greed. It had very little to do with religion. Romans adapted foreign gods. But again show me with sourcing. Oh no you dont do links do you?[:D] Talktalktalktalk chicken. The Romans created Christianity.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/2/2014 2:27:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani At least the ancients were honest about greed. It had very little to do with religion. Romans adapted foreign gods. But again show me with sourcing. Oh no you dont do links do you?[:D] Talktalktalktalk chicken. The Romans created Christianity. I think thats a bold statement, do you want to support that?

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/2/2014 5:17:54 AM)
Maybe the God fearing people should not vote at all? Its an opinion, just as yours is an opinion. We are allowed to express that opinion. If you felt we were in wrong, we had no good intent, we were out to get you, then by all means, yes, vote against it. I would do nothing, just let people live their life. Free choice. We all have it. quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Oh darling, must be keep going over this?[:D] I have expressed there are certain things we just don't believe in. Then by all means don't fuck any ladies. But when you use your vote to diminish the quality of life for another group that's something different. I for instance don't believe in your religion, should I use my vote to ban it? quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Now I will apology to you for being a little colorful with my words, but I did feel a little badgered at the time. I would never want to hurt anyone. If you had your way what would you do with the abominations?

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/2/2014 5:23:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani At least the ancients were honest about greed. It had very little to do with religion. Romans adapted foreign gods. But again show me with sourcing. Oh no you dont do links do you?[:D] Talktalktalktalk chicken. The Romans created Christianity. That is a bold statement. They may have organized it to a disciplined practice with documentation. But I would be bold to say, it existed before Romans. Who taught american Indians to believe in the Great Spirit? If one is to read about their beleifs, it is similar to Christianity. The plains Indians, had a form of Christianity.

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/2/2014 5:07:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I would do nothing, just let people live their life. Free choice. We all have it. I wish you would do that, it would be a wonderful change. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Its an opinion, just as yours is an opinion. Opinion and oppression are two very different things. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 We are allowed to express that opinion. You really aren't allowed to express your oppression and the courts will end up granting homosexuals equal rights. It's just a matter of how much damage Christians such as yourself will manage to do to your religion until then. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 If you felt we were in wrong, we had no good intent, we were out to get you, then by all means, yes, vote against it. You should be careful suggesting those as the criteria for whether the rest of us should vote to ban your religion because: quote: ORIGINAL: https://www.barna.org/barna-update/teens-nextgen/94-a-new-generation-expresses-its-skepticism-and-frustration-with-christianity The study shows that 16- to 29-year-olds exhibit a greater degree of criticism toward Christianity than did previous generations when they were at the same stage of life. In fact, in just a decade, many of the Barna measures of the Christian image have shifted substantially downward, fueled in part by a growing sense of disengagement and disillusionment among young people. For instance, a decade ago the vast majority of Americans outside the Christian faith, including young people, felt favorably toward Christianity’s role in society. Currently, however, just 16% of non-Christians in their late teens and twenties said they have a "good impression" of Christianity.

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/3/2014 3:52:13 AM)
Oppression is a strong word to use, dont you think? Considering it means cruel and unjust. A vote is not cruel nor unjust. Lets try to be fair on that. What you consider cruel I consider a kindness. Since you quoted a study in favor of your position my single vote doesnt make a hill of beans. So no point of arguing since you believe the cards will fall in your direction anyway. .

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/4/2014 1:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Oppression is a strong word to use, dont you think? It's the correct word. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Considering it means cruel and unjust. Yep, that's the one. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 A vote is not cruel nor unjust. Oh it very much can be. Voting for a cruel and unjust law renders you very much responsible quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Lets try to be fair on that. What you consider cruel I consider a kindness. Go on by all means try to justify that claim. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Since you quoted a study in favor of your position my single vote doesnt make a hill of beans. So no point of arguing since you believe the cards will fall in your direction anyway. Sure, except for all the human beings who's lives you fuck up in the mean time.

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/4/2014 2:16:29 PM)
Pinches your cheeks, offers you a piece of cake and says oh please, now is that you climbing that wall in the picture?[;)]

fucktoyprincess -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/5/2014 12:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. That seems like an over generalization that history doesn't really support. In cultures that have multiple deities especially ones where families have there own deities where's the harm in one more god? I can certainly cite numerous examples of other religions being tolerated under polytheistic empires. Looks like one. And even the Romans hated pantheistic faiths they were not well familiar with. They banned the practices of the druids and spread the slander that their rites involved human sacrifice, weird how every one of Rome's enemies sacrifices humans (see Carthage). Druids were a direct threat not because of religion, but the ability to join all northern nations into one. Carthage was slandered because it was romes greatest enemy and a threat to it's existance. Only jews and especially christians were persecuted because they were the only ones refusing to pay hommage to roman gods. Persians left religious freedom tried to forcibly conquer India for religious reasons (source of angels and devils) quote: Hittites did Too liitle is known about them to support that claim quote: Hellenes did Who did the classic Greeks conquer? quote: Alexander did it Alexander did not. He spread Hellenic society including religion everywhere his empire went. His successors were even worse. Hinduism is an extremely accepting religion. There is a history of Hindu-Muslim conflict in India but ONLY because the invading Muslims tried to force conversion on Hindus. Hindu hatred of Islam is REACTIONARY to the way they were treated. It is a historical fact that Jews, Parsis and others of non-Hindu faith lived peacefully in India with the Hindu majority without any issues. As a polytheistic religion that doesn't believe in proselytizing or monotheism, there is little reason for the Hindus to dislike others based on religious reasons alone. However, if other religions cannot respect the Hindu religion then, rather obviously, the Hindus are not going to sit back and just convert. Any faith that was tolerant of Hinduism has always been met with the same tolerance within India. Religions like Christianity and Islam have had a different history in India because they came with the desire to criticize, destroy and convert. Hinduism is not, in and of itself, an intolerant religion. It fundamentally believes in the concept of multiple paths to god and enlightenment - and other religions are simply considered other paths. But if you interfere with a Hindu's faith, I think one can rightly expect intolerance back. I don't think an individual defending their personal individual faith against intolerance is the same thing as saying Hinduism is by design intolerant of other religions.

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/5/2014 3:09:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gotsteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Lets try to be fair on that. What you consider cruel I consider a kindness. Go on by all means try to justify that claim. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Pinches your cheeks, offers you a piece of cake and says oh please, now is that you climbing that wall in the picture?[;)] Got nothing huh, yeah I thought so. quote: ORIGINAL: https://www.barna.org/barna-update/teens-nextgen/94-a-new-generation-expresses-its-skepticism-and-frustration-with-christianity#.U2gBcVd9dbU Today, the most common perception is that present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual." Overall, 91% of young non-Christians and 80% of young churchgoers say this phrase describes Christianity. As the research probed this perception, non-Christians and Christians explained that beyond their recognition that Christians oppose homosexuality, they believe that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians. One of the most frequent criticisms of young Christians was that they believe the church has made homosexuality a "bigger sin" than anything else. Moreover, they claim that the church has not helped them apply the biblical teaching on homosexuality to their friendships with gays and lesbians. Your "kindness" is really giving Christianity a black eye, it's causing young people to walk away from the religion and it's the sort of stance that's been getting organizations labelled as hate groups. P.S. Yes that's me. it's taken in Yosemite by my sister. I think she did a great job, unfortunately I did have to crop the picture a lot so as not to show the friends who were spotting me.

chatterbox24 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/5/2014 3:53:07 PM)
Just cake.[;)] It's a good picture. Excuse me I need to be on my way to be cruel and unjust.

Kirata -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/6/2014 9:43:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Hinduism is an extremely accepting religion... Hindu hatred of Islam is REACTIONARY Case in point... A mob of nearly 3,000 attacked Hindu households and a temple in eastern Bangladesh after two youths from the community allegedly insulted Prophet Muhammad on Facebook. ~Source K.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/6/2014 11:35:33 PM)
Yeah yeah yeah K we already know she was talkin about the religion not some hogwash followers, take some time to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeead...[:D]

AdamKessler -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/6/2014 11:41:32 PM)
Organized religion is a dungeon of the mind and spirit that your parents put you in shortly after you're born. Few people find the keys out, despite it being right in front of them. They aren't looking for them. And fewer still are the ones that found the key and are willing to walk outside. There is so much beauty in the world and in our minds, but so little of it is in those damn, ancient books.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (5/6/2014 11:49:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AdamKessler Organized religion is a dungeon of the mind and spirit that your parents put you in shortly after you're born. Few people find the keys out, despite it being right in front of them. They aren't looking for them. And fewer still are the ones that found the key and are willing to walk outside. There is so much beauty in the world and in our minds, but so little of it is in those damn, ancient books. Bravo! well said!

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