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LorraineCA -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/8/2014 5:41:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrPBK Personal biased opinion here: I silently have the same concern as you and your fellow neighbors might have. I can't let my fear become a phobia. I would like to think that most officers are above board and honest; but at the same time I have realize we live in a society which seems to be acceptable to believe "that if your not caught do what ever you want". As a Caucasian I probably do not sense your level of anxiety, but I have 'heard' the stories and one I feel ought to take a balanced care. (passing thought) It would be interesting to understand where the mistrust originated from in your neighborhood, maybe as a student in Law Enforcement student you could do a study to try to find a systematic way to defuse the tension of mistrust within your neighborhood. MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA Right in the beginning of my post a member put this link: POLICE STATE USA Isn't this enough to cause mistrust of the Police, even have a phobia about it?

DomKen -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/8/2014 6:14:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LorraineCA quote: ORIGINAL: MstrPBK Personal biased opinion here: I silently have the same concern as you and your fellow neighbors might have. I can't let my fear become a phobia. I would like to think that most officers are above board and honest; but at the same time I have realize we live in a society which seems to be acceptable to believe "that if your not caught do what ever you want". As a Caucasian I probably do not sense your level of anxiety, but I have 'heard' the stories and one I feel ought to take a balanced care. (passing thought) It would be interesting to understand where the mistrust originated from in your neighborhood, maybe as a student in Law Enforcement student you could do a study to try to find a systematic way to defuse the tension of mistrust within your neighborhood. MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA Right in the beginning of my post a member put this link: POLICE STATE USA Isn't this enough to cause mistrust of the Police, even have a phobia about it? While there are reasons to be mistrustful of the police that site is simply full of shit. Investigate each of the claims on the front page and you will find the stories are very different than are presented there.

anniezz338 -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/8/2014 6:55:29 PM)
I was wondering why the racism was mixed with what do whites think about cops. Then I saw who the poster was. [8\|] I found that a little tacky and offensive. But I am white so I guess I can participate. In my partying days, I distrusted all cops but I was the one playing against the laws. And I paid for it a couple of times. These days, when I see a cop, I just automatically slow down. I believe there a few bad apples in the bunch but overall, I feel cops are just doing a hard and risky job with no malicious intent.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/8/2014 7:42:33 PM)
FR, As this thread has received several reports from different members, it is locked for review.

VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 10:44:53 AM)
I have pulled a couple of posts that were personal attacks and the string of relies to them. Thanks, Gamma

TheHeretic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 11:00:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So IOW you got nothing. How utterly unsurprising. Baca's failures, and the horrific abuses in his department, are well documented, even without a hysterical media turning him into a symbolic devil. Here is just one good read on the subject. http://www.laweekly.com/2011-12-08/news/wheelchair-hell-in-men-s-central-jail/

DomKen -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 11:25:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So IOW you got nothing. How utterly unsurprising. Baca's failures, and the horrific abuses in his department, are well documented, even without a hysterical media turning him into a symbolic devil. Here is just one good read on the subject. http://www.laweekly.com/2011-12-08/news/wheelchair-hell-in-men-s-central-jail/ I never tried to defend Baca. You erected and demolished that strawman yourself. Do try to keep what is going on straight in your head. My response was strictly about your defense of Arpaio.

Lucylastic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:01:29 PM)
Someone getting more Alinsky like every day..... OH Squirrel...

TheHeretic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:17:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Someone getting more Alinsky like every day..... OH Squirrel... Ken? Nah. He just whines and runs to tattle a lot. Got a thought on the link about Baca's department (which would be one of the actual departments referenced in the OP, since they cover big chunks of the LA megalopolis), or are you just going to shrug at him, like he was a Democrat congressman who rapes teenage girls?

Lucylastic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:23:49 PM)
nah I saw what was removed, why the hell would I discuss baca with you when you cant even read properly . Rent free rent free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

TheHeretic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Rent free Hell, Lucy, I don't live rent free in the heads of our local libbies and my little stalkers. I own that shit. Shame it's mostly undeveloped real estate, and in such shitty areas. [;)]

Lucylastic -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:33:41 PM)
thank you for proving my point

hlen5 -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 12:53:22 PM)
I'm not afraid of my local police at all. I live in a small town and work late into the night. I often look out my window when I get home to find that them cruising by, making sure I got in alright. I most often put my seat belt on even running errands in town. I sometimes work at the copshop. I don't want to put them in an awkward position even if I'm feeling lazy about putting my seat belt on. I have never gotten a speeding ticket that was undeserved ( 4 lifetime total, I think) and I've never encountered a bull - nazi type. I know there are bad apples. Like others have said, those are the ones that stick in your mind. I feel most of them just want to do a good job and go home, just like the rest of us.

sexyred1 -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 2:54:25 PM)
Not afraid of police, just cannot stand them. Why? 1. My ex is ex NYPD. 2. Have female cousin who worked tirelessly from rookie to decorated Detective to Lt in the NYPD and was abused by male officers throughout. 3. Whenever I was a victim of a crime whether being mugged, a car hit me, cars stolen, etc., I was treated like total shit while the person doing the crime was treated well, especially if they were the same ethnic group of the officers. 4. I know inside info about the NYPD and it sickens me. 5. I have a distrust of any group who protects itself to the point that they let sociopaths wear badges. 6. There is a high percentage of police who are substance abusers, cheaters and pathological liars. No, I do not have a study to back this up other than knowing cops and cops wives, partners, and my own ex. While I understand that generalizations help no one and there are good and bad people on all professions, I am replying to this from good personal experience.

Blonderfluff -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 3:00:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR I have spent most of my life around cops. About 5% shouldn't be allowed out without armed adult supervision. About 85% it is a job like any other. About 10% are genetically predisposed to protect people. You could almost call them heroic. The problem with most peoples view of cops is that the 5% get 95% of the press. I work with them. This is extremely accurate in my opinion. I am a 911 dispatcher.

Kirata -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 3:06:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen While there are reasons to be mistrustful of the police that site is simply full of shit. Investigate each of the claims on the front page and you will find the stories are very different than are presented there. Yep, each and every one. Nothing to see here, folks. If Ken says so, it must be true. I'm just sorry that the part of his post where he went through "each of the claims on the front page" and showed that the real story was "very different" got cut off somehow. I hope he'll contact Support about that. K.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 3:08:15 PM)
I am more afraid of mad lunch ladies with a spatula.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 3:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I am more afraid of mad lunch ladies with a spatula. I'm petrified of little old ladies with those maddening trolleys they pull behind them. Fucking dangerous and frightening as fuck if you dare tell them about their trolley smashing your ankles!! [:D]

kdsub -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/9/2014 4:19:12 PM)
Lorraine I hope you don't mind me asking... have you had personal reasons to be afraid of police officers? Or have you grown with this fear expressed around you? I think there is no doubt that in the not too distant past African Americans had good reason to be afraid. I am hoping things have changed in your area and it is just taking time for the trust to develop? I have worked directly with our police force for 40 years and have gotten to know most. I have only known one that was outright racists and he did not last long... But i will also admit there is distrust here in our black community as well. If you remember Kirkwood in the news we have had two police officers... a public works director...a mayor...and three councilmen and women murdered by blacks in the last 10 years. It has been difficult to keep fear and distrust at bay as the healing continues. Luckily the City and senior representatives in the black community have joined together to heal the wounds. Police officers make a point of being visible in the community both on and off duty and interact socially as well as officially. In the past the black community felt under represented in government and did not trust their elected officials... That has changed as we now have black councilmen and we will most likely have a black mayor next election...and this with a very small black population. Bottom line is we have come together as a community through our tragedies and are beginning to trust each other... I do hope things change for you. Butch

BecomingV -> RE: Fearful Of Police (3/10/2014 11:34:38 PM)
Exactly, now read the two again. The one for enlisted changed that, and the one for the officers did not. The reasoning you state is what I thought, too, but when you read them, they say the opposite. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BecomingV Why does the oath for enlisted soldiers differ from that of the officers? I've bolded the part that's different. I do see the change listed as happening between 1959 and 1962. So why then, did deployed soldiers have to swear a new oath which shifted power to the President? Civilians have always been in charge of our military. Pre-Bush, Jr, that is. Lots of hugely important changes happened to America, and the choices that made them happen were made in an ignorant rush. I can believe that something as profound as a shift of power from civilians to the President can happen under the radar. Just because no change date is listed on the Army site, does not convince me that the change didn't happen. Back on point, though, America's police force is being trained in military techniques, being outfitted in combat gear and supplied with tanks. SWAT teams and regular police are not so different anymore. Why send a military-looking police force to an American gathering of free speech and public protest? When cops look like cops, no problem. When cops look like the military - there's a problem, and fear is appropriate. http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.) quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BecomingV I'm white and I don't fear police, generally speaking. I am, however, keeping an eye on them. YouTube has videos of peaceful, American demonstrators being surrounded by forces that are dressed as soldiers and ride in on tanks. People have been hurt and arrested for doing absolutely nothing at all. I was told by a guy who had been in the military, was deployed to Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan and worked at the NSA, that some years ago, during Bush, the American soldier's oath changed from, and I'm quoting loosely, "I promise to protect my President against all enemies, both foreign AND domestic." It used to say they'd protect their country. This change allows the President to treat citizens with lethal and military force. I asked the soldier, without breaching any confidences, what was his advice for how any American family can prepare for the future. I was thinking of global warming and if I should move out of Florida soon, and if there was a better place to reside. But, his answer, "Every American needs to own a gun and be proficient in using it." Goosebumps. So, I'm seeing the American police force become more militarized and I know that Bush expanded presidential powers to use them against us. Not afraid... but definitely paying attention. Bullshit. The oath is unchanged. Enlisted men are at the bottom of the chain of command and are expected to obey the orders of the officers above them.

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