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Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen wher... - 3/4/2014 12:46:24 PM   
jlf1961


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Russia Conducts Test of New ICBM Designed to Defeat U.S. Defenses

Russia conducted the first flight test of a new inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) that Russian officials say is designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses.
The prototype ICBM was launched yesterday from Moscow’s Kapustin Yar missile range, a spokesman for Russian Defense Ministry told state media.
U.S. and Russian officials describe the new missile as a road-mobile missile known as Yars-M that is slated for deployment later this year.

On Friday, Russian Deputy Premier Dmitri Rogozin said the new missile was designed specifically to defeat U.S. missile defenses—a key Russian priority for its strategic nuclear arms buildup.

“We closely watched last night’s events. They were successful. We tested an intercontinental ballistic missile which I call ‘a missile defense killer,’” Rogozin was quoted by Interfax as saying. “Neither modern nor future American missile defense means will be able to stop this missile from hitting its target directly.”
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If defeating US missile defense systems is a key part of the Russian nuclear weapon development, it sure sounds like they are preparing for a nuclear confrontation with the Swiss and Vatican City.

And an Obama appointed Defense Secretary wants to cut defense spending, which not only cuts weapon systems, but is going to impact military families.

Thank god the local airbase is no longer part of the nuclear deterrent force.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 1:04:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Huh?????????  Do you think they would throw up missiles designed to defeat a trinidad and tobago?

They havent out and out fought with China or India, we are the only ones invaded their country.......I would expect that they are flexing the sound bite, and would be very disappointed if they were testing nukes for samoa.


Hey, if we are in trouble, cut retirees and healthcare just like real business dump a bunch of pentagon asswipes and hire troops.



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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 1:42:21 PM   
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Huh?????????  Do you think they would throw up missiles designed to defeat a trinidad and tobago?

They havent out and out fought with China or India, we are the only ones invaded their country.......I would expect that they are flexing the sound bite, and would be very disappointed if they were testing nukes for samoa.


Hey, if we are in trouble, cut retirees and healthcare just like real business dump a bunch of pentagon asswipes and hire troops.




When did the US invade Russia? You talking the American Expeditionary force in Siberia? And what did that accomplish?

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 1:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty sure the point he's trying to make is that hypothetically beating the USA is a lofty goal, and since the US has the strongest military in the world, having the technology to defeat or overcome some american technology is a very ambitious and empowering thing for a country. It's not that the Russians ARE going to attack with this missile, it's just that they have made claims that their technology is superior to the Americans. It's like saying one hacker with one type of computer could easily destroy another hacker's computer which isn't as good. Its comparative of military technology, not a claim that they have the intention to use it.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 1:58:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		And they are doing it at a time when it is called posturing, if they were so fuckin sure they would have launched the fuckin thing, and we would be typing silly shit from burned out computers waiting in line for radiation burn treatment from the chancre mechanics.

Think about that.....if they are gonna actually throw it, they aint gonna make it public for the nightly news. 

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 2:03:22 PM   
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The point about all this is you got to try looking at it from their perspective. They're one of 3 major superpowers in the world, 4 if you consider the EU. If the Americans can be arrogant and can boast about the most powerful military, why is it a bad thing that the Russians strive for the same thing? (aside from the threat of invasion, but then again they could claim the same thing from the USA). Maybe the western world dislikes Russia and their methods, but they have their own country and their own people who are patriotic the same way Americans are towards their country. They might not do things the way we would prefer, we may see them as corrupt and war mongers, but how different are they really from the western world? Most of our money goes to the 1%, money in politics dictate the direction of policy, high incarceration rates due to the war on drugs, the invasion of countries while trying to protect our interests (iraq). It's hypocritical to criticize the Russians while neglecting similar actions taken by Amercia and the western world.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 2:11:46 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Hell even North Korea boasts about it.  Iran doesnt, but either way the august idiots think they are taunting us.

Putin is doing some specific sabre rattling and trying to form sides here.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 2:16:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are the looney neocon element in here still insisting that Putin and his tiny cock have a better idea of what the American President's role should be than the kenyan does since the invasion of the Ukraine?

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 3:13:01 PM   
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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 3:22:33 PM   
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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/4/2014 3:30:00 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Nope, it is not un-American to see Russia from your house.  Nobody will apologize for her being an ignorant slut, that hasn't changed.


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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/5/2014 5:13:28 AM   
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And here I was, thinking this thread was going to be where all the Obamabots apologized to Sarah Palin.


Naw, they only like to talk about her when it can make her (and by extension all cons) look bad. Now if pressed they might mention the broken clock theory but other than that....total silence.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/5/2014 6:19:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I mean its laughable, She said what she said as Georgia was invaded, and said Ukraine is next.  Doesnt that sort of follow just like when W chose Cheney as VP we knew he was going to go into Iraq?

Hey, guess what?  I am betting that when the regime in Cuba changes, if they are more hostile than the current, we will go in there and secure Guantanemo.  

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/5/2014 9:11:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am just wondering how soldiers, tanks and planes are useful against nuclear weapons.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/5/2014 9:15:24 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		The nukes aren't the first thing done.  Although in all of Russia's wargaming, they are the last thing done.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/5/2014 9:15:28 AM   
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.................... dump a bunch of pentagon asswipes and hire troops.




Better yet, send the asswipes!!


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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/6/2014 4:40:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
To the person on the who made that statement, this is for you.
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Russia Conducts Test of New ICBM Designed to Defeat U.S. Defenses
Russia conducted the first flight test of a new inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) that Russian officials say is designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses.
The prototype ICBM was launched yesterday from Moscow’s Kapustin Yar missile range, a spokesman for Russian Defense Ministry told state media.
U.S. and Russian officials describe the new missile as a road-mobile missile known as Yars-M that is slated for deployment later this year.

On Friday, Russian Deputy Premier Dmitri Rogozin said the new missile was designed specifically to defeat U.S. missile defenses—a key Russian priority for its strategic nuclear arms buildup.

“We closely watched last night’s events. They were successful. We tested an intercontinental ballistic missile which I call ‘a missile defense killer,’” Rogozin was quoted by Interfax as saying. “Neither modern nor future American missile defense means will be able to stop this missile from hitting its target directly.”
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If defeating US missile defense systems is a key part of the Russian nuclear weapon development, it sure sounds like they are preparing for a nuclear confrontation with the Swiss and Vatican City.

And an Obama appointed Defense Secretary wants to cut defense spending, which not only cuts weapon systems, but is going to impact military families.

Thank god the local airbase is no longer part of the nuclear deterrent force.


Is that the best 'cheap shot' you can make?

Lets entertain your 'silly argument' to its logical conclusion....

They strike, we strike. 42.5 minutes (give or take 1.2 minutes), 99.998% of all life (not in specifically created bunkers) on Spaceship Earth are annihilated. A nuclear winter sets in, virtually destroying anything still left above ground. After ten or fifteen years, the dust and particles that have blotted out the sun's rays start to diminish. Only 300K-5 million humans are left on the planet. Will any of them really give a fuck about who won that conflict?

I never stated I was all 'happy and gleeful' of the reduction in Defense Spending (quite the opposite frankly). The reduction was due to the Republican's failure to compromise with Democrat on the super committee's primary goal of finding a budget that works for all parties involved. An it wasn't the ONLY thing that was cut. The Democrat's 'Sacred Cow' was ALSO reduced. I was hoping all sides would find a healthy compromise to the total impasse Congress found itself in back in 2011 on the budget WITHOUT those cuts going forth. But as the history books say, those events went forth.

Now lets get to the heart of your bullshit. The reduction in the Defense Spending cuts deeply and its REALLY not a good idea. Not because Republicans have been trying everything under the sun to avert it by holding funding to the ACA hostage and even the partial US Government shutdown last year. As amusing as it is to watch them scurry around like dishonest men they are; it brings up something really bad for the economy....

How much does a $100 Billion buy or maintain in US Jobs, jlf1961? Because 'X' number of units worth $100 Billion will be removed from the Defense Budget. That's a heck of a lot of jobs being lost. And the majority of them will not be from the public sector either! I have family and friends that work either directly for or indirectly to the defense industry. I'm not insane to desire any of them to go to the unemployment line because of this. Nor those in the healthcare and biotech industries. But they'll be cut in the coming months and year.

And why is that you ask? Well, that's an easy thing to answer. The Republican/Tea Party didn't want to raise taxes on the rich, nor remove the Bush era tax cuts. $1.2 trillion has to be made up. Why should the rich be burden by taxes when the middle class can just become the poor?




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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/6/2014 5:50:12 AM   
jlf1961


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With the exception of the fact that Putin has a lot of former soviet hardliners in his government, and his views on Russian nationalism, most of what I was saying was sarcasm.

Secondly, the primary problem with what the recommended DoD budget is the fact it is going to screw military dependents with out a kiss, not to mention that it is based on a system of deployment that the US does not have the assets to support.

The vaunted M1A Abrams is no longer "the" battle tank above all others. Depending on which source you follow, it is either the new German Leopard or the new Russian T90.

If the new budget allowed for a sufficient ready reserve force that could be mobilized in days, it would be better, but it doesn't.

The misguided belief that technology wins wars today has been proven wrong in both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the war on terror. Hell it was proven war in Viet Nam for Christ's sake.

Finally, Iraq and Afghanistan proved that we do not have a standing ground force to handle one theater of combat let alone two. Even before Bush decided to invade Iraq, the downtime between combat rotations in Afghanistan was cut to the point of stupidity.

Since 2001, the incidence of active duty and veteran suicides for combat troops has risen dramatically, the primary cause has been the time in combat has increased and the time home has decreased between tours.

Then you have programs that have been cut, the F22 Raptor for one, was the most advanced air superiority fighter in the world. Programs in stealth technology have been cut, which makes a lot of sense since F117's have been shot down, indicating that first gen stealth tech is in dire need of improvement.

And as far at the argument of the government not having enough money to cover programs needed, at last count there were about 200 Federal agencies with overlapping areas of responsibility. Trimming those alone would save billions to be used elsewhere. You know, the whole smaller government philosophy?

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/6/2014 6:22:50 AM   
joether


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Status: offline 		Let me be frank with you. The post you made, had me thinking you were serious and NOT sarcastic. So I apologize. The facts of the matter are so easily removed while complete bullshit is being shoveled into American's heads. Like its the President's or the DoD's fault for the cuts.....

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
With the exception of the fact that Putin has a lot of former soviet hardliners in his government, and his views on Russian nationalism, most of what I was saying was sarcasm.


Mr. Putin is in a very tough spot. I have no envy for him. His ego placed himself, his nation, and everyone else at the sort of risk NO ONE, with that sort of power should ever been given! I seem to recall a Sting song about the Russians being reckless with power....

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Secondly, the primary problem with what the recommended DoD budget is the fact it is going to screw military dependents with out a kiss, not to mention that it is based on a system of deployment that the US does not have the assets to support.


Its going to screw ALOT of people. Military dependents are just one group of the many. The sad thing is that most Americans are not alarmed by what's coming down the pipeline in a few months. At that point, they'll be blaming everybody BUT the very ones responsible for this crap: The Republican/Tea Party. Many of those directly or indirectly with the Defense budget will blame the Democrats (who are not at fault, surprisingly....).

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The vaunted M1A Abrams is no longer "the" battle tank above all others. Depending on which source you follow, it is either the new German Leopard or the new Russian T90.


I disagree. Maybe its because I have a model of it beside my IG Baneblade. The M1A is a very impressive tank, but not without its limitations. No tank will ever be 'perfect' for any and all battlefield situations. Some times a lighter and faster vehicle would work, and other times M1A is the perfect 'door opener'.

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If the new budget allowed for a sufficient ready reserve force that could be mobilized in days, it would be better, but it doesn't.


I maybe wrong here, but doesn't the United States have a number of units in the different branches that could redeploy in some level of impressive strength within a very short period of time?

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And as far at the argument of the government not having enough money to cover programs needed, at last count there were about 200 Federal agencies with overlapping areas of responsibility. Trimming those alone would save billions to be used elsewhere. You know, the whole smaller government philosophy?


I'm not one for the 'small or limited' government argument. So far I haven't found one sane person that could explain it without ending up being in favor of big government in the end. I'm in favor of government being able to do the job it needs to handle. 'big' or 'small' or even 'limited' has no basing on whether its 'good' or 'bad' government. That said...

What your talking about is not anywhere on the level of numbers needed to protect those jobs that will be cut from many companies working directly and indirectly with the Defense budget. Recall, these cuts are due to Republicans failing to compromise on the budget. This is what is known in most places as a 'penalty'. Penalties are not suppose to be good things. Its incentive to not fuck up. But, Republicans and their Tea Party lackeys lost sight of the big picture, let their egos into the driver's seat, and told the Democrats to fuck off before realizing that was the worst thing to do. That was the agreement. I did not make the agreement nor had any direct input into the outcome.

My hope is that anyone in the defense industry tells the Republican/Tea Partiers, to go to hell for the mid term elections coming up. An get some sensible, sane, and educated people back into Congress for a change. Whether they are Democrat or otherwise, I almost don't care.

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RE: Someone said that Russia and Putin were boogeymen ... - 3/6/2014 6:27:12 AM   
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And here I was, thinking this thread was going to be where all the Obamabots apologized to Sarah Palin.


Naw, they only like to talk about her when it can make her (and by extension all cons) look bad. Now if pressed they might mention the broken clock theory but other than that....total silence.

She does that all on her own.

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