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MHOO314 -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:04:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Every woman is a whore in some way. And men are always paying for their services, in some way.


EXCUSE ME?? That's a pretty hmm unkind generalization there--and you expect to get submissives with that feeling how?




Caretakr -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:06:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Thank you Noah, please be sure to kiss my arse on your way out and turn off the lights.


I have to agree with Jasmyn on this one.

Whiney preppy boys, bitching about not getting any..are pretty much in the "blow your feet off with a howitzer" category.

Which probably explains why they can't even manage to get nilla girls, much less Dommes.




Caretakr -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:08:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Every woman is a whore in some way. And men are always paying for their services, in some way.


EXCUSE ME?? That's a pretty hmm unkind generalization there--and you expect to get submissives with that feeling how?


Time is money. You pay either way.




Noah -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:13:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Thank you Noah, please be sure to kiss my arse on your way out and turn off the lights.


ZING!

Hey. This is supposed to be SSC, right? You don't hit that hard in sessions, do you?

quote:

"... but I did say something interesting once back in Apr 1997." Noah Jan 2005






Jasmyn -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:15:19 AM)

I'd be remiss if I didn't.




MHOO314 -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:30:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Every woman is a whore in some way. And men are always paying for their services, in some way.



EXCUSE ME?? That's a pretty hmm unkind generalization there--and you expect to get submissives with that feeling how?


Time is money. You pay either way.



tsk tsk and we pay nothing for time invested in "you"--how terribly one sided.




yourMissTress -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:42:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Every woman is a whore in some way. And men are always paying for their services, in some way.


EXCUSE ME?? That's a pretty hmm unkind generalization there--and you expect to get submissives with that feeling how?


Time is money. You pay either way.


So, men are always paying to be with women?  And the men that aren't paying with actual money are paying in time?  What exactly is it that women are getting out of the deal?  I really want to understand where this line of thought comes from and where it's going. 
 
Exactly HOW are "all women" whores? 
 
And what about the time and energy that we are expending on the men in our lives?  Are we paid for that?  if so please tell the main office that my checks are being sent to the wrong address.




Caretakr -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:46:39 AM)

Let me put it this way.

How many women here would feel it proper to pay a MAN'S way to associate with them?  It's a traditional stereotype-involving men as being providers. Like it or not,we still have to deal with that prejudice.




givemyall -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:50:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Let me put it this way.

How many women here would feel it proper to pay a MAN'S way to associate with them?  It's a traditional stereotype-involving men as being providers. Like it or not,we still have to deal with that prejudice.



Totally agree, so when is my gold card arriving? [:D]




Caretakr -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:51:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: givemyall

quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Let me put it this way.

How many women here would feel it proper to pay a MAN'S way to associate with them?  It's a traditional stereotype-involving men as being providers. Like it or not,we still have to deal with that prejudice.



Totally agree, so when is my gold card arriving? [:D]
  As soon as I can skate on Niagra dear.[;)]




MHOO314 -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:54:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Let me put it this way.

How many women here would feel it proper to pay a MAN'S way to associate with them?  It's a traditional stereotype-involving men as being providers. Like it or not,we still have to deal with that prejudice.


I do not pay a man's way to "be with Me"--I don't need to--<smiles>--however, I make an income substantially higher than most men and I therefore have bought meals, airplane tickets, hotel rooms, clothes, etc when the man I am with does not have the wherewithall---I have also done less costly things in order for him to feel "masculine". It is a given that in any relationship I will be either THE provider or the Main provider. pffft




givemyall -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 11:56:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

quote:

ORIGINAL: givemyall

quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Let me put it this way.

How many women here would feel it proper to pay a MAN'S way to associate with them?  It's a traditional stereotype-involving men as being providers. Like it or not,we still have to deal with that prejudice.



Totally agree, so when is my gold card arriving? [:D]
  As soon as I can skate on Niagra dear.[;)]



hey, it was worth a try [:D]




Submotive -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 12:05:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Every woman is a whore in some way. And men are always paying for their services, in some way.

waaaaaaa waaaaaa - what an idiotic statement. REALLY? Every woman is a whore in some way???? And you know this HOW???? geesh.




Submotive -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 12:13:47 PM)


[/quote]
Time is money. You pay either way.
[/quote]
Hmmmmm! - Let's see shall i send Master a bill? Or, perhaps He should send me one - hmmmmm. NOPE W/we like what W/we do.
 
No one forces anyone to be with a ProDomme so WTF is the problem here? In our present society there is so much superficiality, if someone makes a career out of it - why not? i mean look at the car ads - do we really drive that fast with no traffic?
 
If all a "sub" wants is someone to beat His ass and entertain his fantasies why shouldn't She/He be paid for it? i'd rather pay someone or be paid by someone for that kind of service - at least it's clean and honest - no delusions involved.
 
Men are just plain pissed off that women have found an avenue of income that they can't dominate. Well suck it up and deal with it.




iliv2servher -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 12:15:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstudentslave

Now this is in this ones journal on its profile but it wanted to get a wider view and response and it seems like this is the place to do it. Basically this one is shocked as to the amount of Dominant Women on the site with personal profiles who require tribute. Now of course Pro Domination is a business and quite a prosperus one judging by profile amounts but it seems like almost any Domme this one pays interest in suddenly decides that money is needed. An example is a Domme this one begun to get close to recently just to be told its first task was to deposit £100 into the Dominants bank account. Not much of a task and despite the fact that yes it does prove loyalty this one looks for a Mistress that views him as more than a pay cheque. It become clear with that Mistress that She was saying the right things to keep the slave hooked and to help it hand over the cash.

So what this one really means is since when did the BDSM community become all about paying people to show loyalty, this one knows that Domme's are in high demand but hoped that a personal, free to use site such as Collarme would provide profiles for Domme's seeking service, not offering one.

Rant over, this one would like others views on this and yes, it is ready to be flamed out of here.


Frankly, advertising one's self as a prodomme and asking for money violates the Terms of Service.  However, this practice still flourishes.  It's quite easy to spot the prodommes from others, because they ask for some sort of tribute upfront.  So if one is not interested, why not just pass it up? 

Professional dominance requires a large investment of money for equipment and for wardrobe.  And why shouldn't a prodomme require a fee for having to dress up and "entertain" a client in her expensive playspace? Also, why is a non-pro expected to have a vast array of equipment and thousands of dollars of leather, latex and PVC just waiting to be offered to a novice or wannabe?

Quite honestly, I see more "lifestyle" dominas here than I see professionals, so the OP's point falls very short of it's mark.





MistressSassy66 -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 12:48:49 PM)

I agree with Bitatruble...Pass on the ones that dont interest you.

And before you go lumping all Pro's together...not all require a
Tribute of that amount.Nor do all of them expect money be paid upfront.

Dont judge a book by its cover.[8|]




Caretakr -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 12:52:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

I agree with Bitatruble...Pass on the ones that dont interest you.

And before you go lumping all Pro's together...not all require a
Tribute of that amount.Nor do all of them expect money be paid upfront.

Dont judge a book by its cover.[8|]


The housework tribute works wonders in sorting out bottoms from sub guys. (But don't let them launder your underwear,they may stretch it out)




MissBabydoll -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 1:42:06 PM)

Tributing a Dominant is so NOT about "paying Her way" as in some traditional dating relationship--at least, not the way I work. I have paid the way of lovers before in non-Pro relationships, when I was the one with more money. I regard tribute to Me as a Pro as a form of power exchange (I prefer the term "power transfer" since it's not power My sub gets in the exchange, but submission) as well as, at some level, compensation for skilled attention of a certain kind. I refuse the term "service" because it comes from the Latin *servus*, which means slave, and because, while I negotiate with any sub I'm going to play with, I do what I want within the limits established once we start. I don't provide a "service," I provide an experience, on the erotic, emotional, and hopefully spiritual levels. A truism of capitalist society: TIME IS MONEY. More precisely, work performed through time generates value. I am good at what I do and I took time learning to do it. For the same reason, while I think janitors and clerks should be decently paid, if I make more money once I become a professor (as I intend to be), there's nothing wrong with that, because I will have invested tens of thousands in My professional formation. The bulk of what I went through to become a skilled Dominant did not cost money--though those workshops get expensive!--but it sure cost time and attention and effort and a good deal of pain (including the beatings I took learning impact play!).

Now I'll repeat here something I have said any various forums and that a lot of BDSM people seem to have a hard time with, another truism of capitalist society: MONEY IS POWER. In this society, it is the single most important form of power, because it can buy all the others. BDSM is about playing with power in a serious way, where "play" means "open-ended consensual activity whose goal is the satisfaction of those involved rather than a product." Therefore, involving money as a form of power in sustained BDSM relationships is entirely legitimate. In fact, as anyone paying attention to online Pro BDSM knows, paying as submission is a major fetish. I discovered this back when I was a dancer in men's clubs and enjoyed playing with it, though I learned to be ethical about it. There are predatory "dommes" who exploit this fetish in a non-SSC way when it gets into its extreme (and to Me pathological) form of a serious will to self-destruction. I am not one of them. I despise them. They're like casinos who let gambling addicts spend themselves dry, or any other kind of exploiter of human frailty.

Finally, on whores and ProDommes, here's a quote from Myself on My Yahoo forum, Fem Dom Heresy 2:

"Being a whore (which I have been) is in some ways like being, say, a photographer or a writer or a carpenter or a seamstress. All these occupations have at least two interwoven but distinct hierarchies within them: degree of vocation, and degree of remuneration. At the high end of the vocation hierarchy, whoring is an art, done with passion and commitment as well as imagination. In the middle, it is a skilled trade. At the bottom it is a miserable and hated job or forced labor. On the remuneration
scale, the top is the professional mistress (with a small m), the pampered concubine or hetaira of the wealthy man. In the middle are the upper layers of call-girls and escorts (and girls in high-end houses in countries where prostitution is regulated). Nearer the bottom are the low-end call girls, streetwalkers, and so-called masseuses, and at the very bottom are the indentured sex slaves here and in the developing world (these are overlapping categories). These scales in prostitution are wider than for other occupations because of the universality of sex; because any woman or girl will spread her legs if she is threatened with violence and hunger; because many, many men will fuck any female offered them for a price they can pay,without conscience or care; because even in America women *on average* make 73 cents for every dollar men make, a gap much wider in many parts of the world; and because the planet is still dominated by men. But they are essentially similar.

"That point about prostitution made: male dominants (and some 'lifestyle only' dommes) are prone to call Pro Dommes 'whores' because they regard paid-for Domination as a sexual service, which somehow in their minds makes it dirty. In fact most Pro Dommes do not have sex with their clients, nor even touch the client's genitals in such a way as to induce orgasm. Some Pros therefore get indignant when male doms or lifestyle purists say this. I don't, particularly, except in resenting the intended slur, not to mention the sexism. I mean, any woman ought to know better than to use the word "whore" as an insult! (From most self-proclaimed dominant males, I expect no better, I am sorry to say.) And the male doms should note that in the gay male world there are *plenty* of Pro Doms. Personally I have no problem being thought of as a whore, except for one
crucial distinction: I only engage in activities I personally find arousing, and so I never have to fake it--whereas faking it, even when you are enjoying yourself quite a bit
as an artist of male arousal, is absolutely integral to being a whore."

I am saddened but not surprised to see some of the really backward attitudes on this thread, and the general lack of wider social or historical perspective. But hey, this is the country where the president thinks the jury is still out on evolution and 40% of the population believe he's right and that "the Bible" (i.e., the Christianized reading of the Torah) is literally true--and where the Southern Baptist Convention, the single largest Christian denomination in the country, recently voted that in society and the family, men should lead and women should follow. Why would I expect any different?




MHOO314 -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 2:17:23 PM)

Buys that Lady a bottle of champagne!
 
Bravo!




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: The Main Site (7/7/2006 2:30:23 PM)

Nicely done, MissBabyDoll!
Where is that applauding smiley face when you need it!




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