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Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 11:40:11 AM   
Politesub53


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578
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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:17:02 PM   
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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:27:09 PM   
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A result of the "all or nothing" style of politics now practiced in this country. Speaking as a gun owner, the complete removal of background checks seems rather irresponsible. I'm not at all surprised by the results, if accurate.

The complete lack of background checks would be a violation of Federal law.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:27:35 PM   
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Who would have thought it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578



That can't have happened, PS. It's utterly counterintuitive.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:33:31 PM   
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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:36:54 PM   
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Who would have thought it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578



In other News:

Pope is Catholic Sensation.

Bear found defecating in forested area.

Shock New Research: ducks arses watertight.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 12:50:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Who would have thought it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578



In other News:

Pope is Catholic Sensation.

Bear found defecating in forested area.

Shock New Research: ducks arses watertight.

I once saw a BBC story on the spaghetti harvest complete with film
of it being picked from trees, hilarious.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 1:13:34 PM   
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This is not a real story. Its a hoax. A Fake from the UK. This Never happened. I could only find this story on british activism/parody sites,


LOL.  The google-fu is weak with this one.   I read the press release from Johns Hopkins.  

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 1:23:09 PM   
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A result of the "all or nothing" style of politics now practiced in this country. Speaking as a gun owner, the complete removal of background checks seems rather irresponsible. I'm not at all surprised by the results, if accurate.

The complete lack of background checks would be a violation of Federal law.

True, but I was only talking about Missouri state law. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I'm assuming that background checks are being done only by the gun dealers now since local LEOs aren't required to be involved anymore...which to me seems unwise.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 1:31:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
A result of the "all or nothing" style of politics now practiced in this country. Speaking as a gun owner, the complete removal of background checks seems rather irresponsible. I'm not at all surprised by the results, if accurate.

The complete lack of background checks would be a violation of Federal law.

True, but I was only talking about Missouri state law. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I'm assuming that background checks are being done only by the gun dealers now since local LEOs aren't required to be involved anymore...which to me seems unwise.

That is the way it has always been in Alabama and it doesn't seem to have caused problems.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 2:11:09 PM   
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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 4:10:46 PM   
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I once saw a BBC story on the spaghetti harvest complete with film
of it being picked from trees, hilarious.


Oh, that's a favourite here in the UK: A BBC spoof documentary shown on April 1st. Huge numbers were April Fooled at the time . . . and it still worked many years later, on me, when I first saw it in my early teens. Those BBC scamps!

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 4:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, at least the BBC refrained from using the word "nuts" in their headline, unlike some of the other stuff that popped up in a quick googling.

Of course, the BBC still doesn't mention who conducted the study, or who financed it, and I have a strong inkling that they'll miss the follow-up debunking reports entirely.



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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 4:44:48 PM   
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Here in American Polite, one needs to consider that no amount of studies or dead bodies will sway the gun-nutteria.


We have over 3000 children killed by firearms every year here and that number could be 30,000.....it still wouldn`t matter to the most selfish cry-babies in the world....

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 5:23:30 PM   
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The study links the abandonment of the background check to an additional 60 or so murders occurring per year in Missouri between 2008 and 2012.
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America currently has more than 300 million firearms in circulation.

Bwahahaha!

Those 'scientists' are frauds.

My hypothesis is that there is a correlation between the stupid-allele and the gun murder rate. I predict that the frequency of both will decrease provided that fertile females choose not to make love to those scientists.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 7:14:41 PM   
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one of his publications coming out is "Effects of the repeal of Missouri’s handgun purchaser licensing law on homicides." Journal of Urban Health, in press.
another one is
"Gun policy and serious mental illness: Priorities for future research and policy". Psychiatric Services, 2013 [e-pub]. doi: 10.1176/appi.ps.201300141.

Journal of Urban Health is a Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine
The Journal of Urban Health is a bimonthly peer-reviewed publication which focuses on the emerging fields of urban health and epidemiology. The Journal addresses health issues such as substance abuse, teenage pregnancy, HIV, tuberculosis, and violence from both clinical and policy perspectives, filling a neglected niche in medical and health literature.
http://www.springer.com/public+health/journal/11524?0/=null

http://www.jhsph.edu/

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-02-repeal-missouri-background-law-state.html
State-level murder data for the time period 1999-2012 were collected and analyzed from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) system. The analyses controlled for changes in policing, incarceration, burglaries, unemployment, poverty, and other state laws adopted during the study period that could affect violent crime.

http://phys.org/news/2014-01-restrictive-concealed-weapons-laws-gun-related.html#inlRlv
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/17/study-missouri-murders-spike-after-state-repeals-gun-background-check-law/
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/17/4830231/missouri-study-argues-for-stronger.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-02/jhub-rom021414.php
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/960070

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 7:26:41 PM   
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Who would have thought it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

Indeedies. Easy and widespread availability of firearms make murders more likely to occur. It's hardly rocket science is it?

Especially as there is another thread happening here illustrating perfectly how the easy access to guns enables murders and gun wounds arising out of an otherwise low key altercation . I am referring to the thread about a theatre-going ex-cop shooting another person dead and injuring one other. The altercation began with a disagreement over one person texting in the theatre. The presence of a gun facilitated the escalation from a trivial disagreement to a fatal one.

Had there been no guns present the outcome of the situation would have been very different. The obvious concluison is that the dead person would be alive today had no guns been present.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/17/2014 8:00:31 PM   
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Had there been no guns present the outcome of the situation would have been very different. The obvious concluison is that the dead person would be alive today had no guns been present.



But is the world a little bit better place with him dead, and plenty of similar fuckwits hearing about crazy old coots executing people for being assholes?

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/18/2014 5:18:27 AM   
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Had there been no guns present the outcome of the situation would have been very different. The obvious concluison is that the dead person would be alive today had no guns been present.



But is the world a little bit better place with him dead, and plenty of similar fuckwits hearing about crazy old coots executing people for being assholes?


Yep, I bolded the part upheld by US law.

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RE: Murder rates rise after gun rules relaxed. - 2/18/2014 5:25:30 AM   
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I know a lot of people who own guns and a lot of those who don't own them who think they should not be banned. Not one of them thinks they should just throw out the background checks and regulations and just let anyone who wants a gun, carry one. Now I am sure they are out there, I just don't think they are the majority. I have no clue why they dropped background checks in this situation but it was obviously a bad idea.

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