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Phydeaux -> More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 10:05:44 AM)

A sterling example of journalism.
Rachel Maddows in one of here diatribes against the Koch brothers. Following is from powerlineblog.com

Rachel Maddow Is Crazy, Too

MSNBC has had a hard time lately. The network fired Martin Bashir and Alec Baldwin for craziness, on-air and off-air respectively. Melissa Harris-Perry was forced to apologize, first on Twitter and then, tearfully, on the air, for making political hay out of Mitt Romney’s adopted grandson. The network put Ed Schulz out to pasture, and most people wrote Chris Matthews off as a hysteric long ago, so that pretty much leaves Rachel Maddow–amazingly enough–as MSNBC’s supposed voice of sanity. Eliana Johnson has reported on Maddow’s status as the “queen” of MSNBC, who wields more control than anyone else over the network’s often-crazed content.

But is Maddow any better than the rest? A recent incident suggests that if anything, she is worse.

Last Thursday, 45 minutes before Maddow’s show began, her producer sent this email to representatives of Koch Industries, with which MSNBC has long been obsessed. Click to enlarge:

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The Koch employees who received the email were a bit nonplussed, since Koch had nothing to do with the Florida welfare legislation in question, and had never supported–or, as far as I know, ever heard of–the Florida Foundation for Government Accountability. One of them responded to the producer; by that time, the show was already in progress:

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Rachel Maddow, naturally, didn’t wait to learn the facts. Her segment on the Florida law, which required drug testing of all welfare applicants and had just been struck down by a federal judge, was all about Koch–bizarrely so, since Koch had nothing to do with the law in question:

Ms. Maddow moved on to a discussion of a 2011 Florida welfare law and a Florida federal court ruling concerning that law, falsely stating that the “Koch brothers . . . have been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare.” Ms. Maddow based this false statement on her claim that the Florida Foundation for Government Accountability (“FFGA”) was involved in the legislation. This was a knowingly false and malicious statement by Ms. Maddow – Koch is not involved in promoting any such issue and we are not working with the FFGA on any such issue, as we explained to you last night. Indeed, your email from last night shows that you knew Koch had no link to the FFGA or this issue since you stated that Koch “donated to the State Policy Network of which FGGA is a member.” Nevertheless, Ms. Maddow repeatedly and falsely referred to FFGA as a “Koch brothers affiliated group,” a “Koch brothers connected Florida group,” a “Koch brothers related group,” and “this group (FFGA) affiliated with them (Koch) in Florida.”

Given that Koch has zero relationship with FFGA, Maddow based her claims on the fact that Koch has donated risibly small amounts–$40,000 over eight years–to the State Policy Network, and FFGA, which advocated for the Florida law, is a member of the State Policy Network. She used this graphic to explain the connection to her audience:

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But this is an utter non sequitur. The State Policy Network–let alone the Koch brothers!–had nothing to do with the Florida legislation. Ms. Maddow perhaps was trying to suggest that the State Policy Network is a funding source for FFGA, so that the Koch brothers have indirectly supported FFGA, albeit to a ridiculously small level (nowhere near $1,000 on a pro rata basis). But that isn’t true either. I happen to know a little bit about this, since I was formerly the Chairman of the Board of a think tank that is a member of the State Policy Network. The SPN is like a trade association of conservative think tanks, with members in every state. The SPN doesn’t support the local groups, like FFGA; on the contrary, the local think tanks pay dues to support SPN. So there is no connection–not even a minute, indirect one–between Koch and FFGA. I repeat: as far as we know, no one at Koch had ever heard of FFGA before Rachel Maddow’s show on Thursday of last week, and Koch did nothing–zero, nada–to support the Florida legislation in question.

So Rachel Maddow’s entire segment was one big lie. Her central premise, that the Florida welfare statute was an initiative of the Koch brothers, was false, and she knew it. She made the whole thing up to fool the low-IQ viewers who form MSNBC’s base. But the story gets even worse.

In an email dated January 3–follow the link above–Koch asked MSNBC to retract, and apologize for, Maddow’s fabrications. Instead of correcting her misrepresentations, Maddow, in her show on Friday, triumphantly refused, saying “I don’t play requests.” Or, in other words, “I lie with impunity, and MSNBC gives me cover.” The left-wing echo chamber swooned. Daily Kos–remember them?–headlined, “Rachel Maddow Speaks Truth to Powerful Koch Brothers.” Raw Story’s sycophantic take was, “Maddow scorches Koch brothers on ‘correction’ demand: ‘I don’t play requests.’” So if you are a left-winger, blatant lies about conservatives make you a hero.

But the corruption goes deeper still. Rachel Maddow says that any company that supports the State Policy Network is “affiliated with” the Florida Foundation for Government Accountability, and is responsible for everything FFGA does. That is wrong, but let’s go with it. Who else, besides Koch, has supported the State Policy Network? You might be surprised: the list includes Microsoft, Facebook, AT&T, Time Warner Cable, GlaxoSmithKline, Kraft Foods, and many more. So Maddow randomly singled out Koch as opposed to any of these other companies as the sponsor of the Florida legislation which, as far as we know, Koch wasn’t even aware of. Well, not randomly, because MSNBC is obsessed with Koch, but you get the point.

But wait! A final level of deception remains to be revealed: one of the many companies that have contributed to the State Policy Network is Comcast, which owns MSNBC and is Rachel Maddow’s employer. So in her Thursday broadcast, Maddow could equally well have said that MSNBC “has been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare,” and that FFGA is an “MSNBC-affiliated group.” She didn’t do this for obvious reasons. She knew that she was addressing a stupid audience that would never know the difference.

If Rachel Maddow is the best that MSNBC has to offer, MSNBC is in even deeper trouble than its steep ratings decline would indicate.





mnottertail -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 10:11:54 AM)

Yeah, some fuckin unsourced op ed from some unsourced nutsackers. 

I didn't bother.




Kirata -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 11:32:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Rachel Maddows in one of here diatribes against the Koch brothers. Following is from powerlineblog.com

Could do with a link.

K.





cloudboy -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:21:26 PM)


MSNBC is not a journalistic organization. It does not really have reporters or a fact finding arm.




Phydeaux -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:25:59 PM)

Wow. We agree.
Cool.




Phydeaux -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:27:14 PM)

Sorry. It seems to have eaten my link:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/01/rachel-maddow-is-crazy-too.php




mnottertail -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:27:35 PM)

I think a lot of people will agree with that, its just like Faux Nuze. 




FelineRanger -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:33:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


MSNBC is not a journalistic organization. It does not really have reporters or a fact finding arm.


Like Fox News is or does? Therein lies the crux of the problem. The two best known "news" organizations on TV are little more than propaganda machines for their respective political parties. As someone who worked on an award winning high school newspaper, I would very much like to see a news outlet presenting the facts alone on the front page and equal but opposing opinions on the editorial pages where they belong.




Kana -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:36:50 PM)

quote:

If Rachel Maddow is the best that MSNBC has to offer, MSNBC is in even deeper trouble than its steep ratings decline would indicate.


And this is news, how?

Very very few news outlets anymore can be called that. CNN and HLN jettisoned that shit long ago. Fox isn't quite as bad as MsNBC, but they aren't far off either.
Hell,the above rarely even pretend to be anything but opinion based "analysis." They are entertainment,flat and simple (I mean c'mon,these folks put on people like Nancy Freaking Grace and expect us to take them with any validity whatsoever.) About as believable and serious as TMZ.
The mainstream news outlets are pretty much equally biased, dependent on their political inclination.

Somewhere in America,Walter Cronkite isn't just rolling over in his grave, he's doing the Mother Fucking Cha Cha




Phydeaux -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:47:17 PM)

Well, I would contend its news to see the rapid destruction of a former news organization.

NBC used to be respectable. I think whats going on over at MSNBC - Bashir, Shultz, the attacks on Romney - is noteworthy.

I completely agree that Fox devotes more time to opinion than news. But what is interesting is the preciptous loss of viewership, and the rabidness. Bashir suggested someone should shit in Palins mouth for crying out loud. On national TV.....






mnottertail -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:48:34 PM)

Worse things have been seen and said on national tv.




Kana -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 2:53:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Well, I would contend its news to see the rapid destruction of a former news organization.

NBC used to be respectable. I think whats going on over at MSNBC - Bashir, Shultz, the attacks on Romney - is noteworthy.

I completely agree that Fox devotes more time to opinion than news. But what is interesting is the preciptous loss of viewership, and the rabidness. Bashir suggested someone should shit in Palins mouth for crying out loud. On national TV.....




I think it's a vast assumption to presume that MsNBC was ever intended to be a "news" agency.
I always thought, and IIRC was announced as such, it was meant to be the lefts answer to Fox

Now,CNN, that's different. They used to be where the White House got the news. They were the cutting edge shiznit. They were worldwide.They were baaaaaad.
Their seppuku is just sad




popeye1250 -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 3:45:19 PM)

Phydeaux, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread today about how the left is having a collective nervous breakdown of sorts.
Could it be the realisation that they made a terrible mistake when they voted for Erkel?
Could it be the dawning revelation that they're going to get clobbered by "Obamacare?"
Could it be that their "global warming" theories,...and I use that term loosely, have more holes in them than a pasta collander?
There seems to be a lot of... teenaged angst.. amongst them lately.




Phydeaux -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 5:04:24 PM)

Well, its still calls itself a news program.....(the news that is..)




deathtothepixies -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 5:13:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I was going to start a thread today


Get on with it then if you think you have anything worth saying that isn't just a simplistic regurgitation of something Fox spoon fed you




cloudboy -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 8:16:49 PM)


Network News channels still crush Fox News and the other cable outlets.

NBC ABC CBS
• Total Viewers: 10,147,000 9,195,000 7,534,000


FNC ranks a little over 1M viewers. So, it remains a fringe source.




DomKen -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 8:35:52 PM)

FR
Some facts the ultra right wing writer lied about:
1) The Florida group that pushed for the drug testing of food stamp applicants is definitely funded by the Koch brothers and it isn't a thousand bucks either.
2) The group did definitely try and use their "success" in Florida to push that legislation in other states and they definitely did it with the knowledge and approval of the Koch brothers.

Maddow is on solid ground with her story. If she wasn't then she would be in serious danger of being sued by two of the wealthiest people on Earth for defamation and no network legal team would have let her air the story.




Phydeaux -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 9:18:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR
Some facts the ultra right wing writer lied about:
1) The Florida group that pushed for the drug testing of food stamp applicants is definitely funded by the Koch brothers and it isn't a thousand bucks either.
2) The group did definitely try and use their "success" in Florida to push that legislation in other states and they definitely did it with the knowledge and approval of the Koch brothers.

Maddow is on solid ground with her story. If she wasn't then she would be in serious danger of being sued by two of the wealthiest people on Earth for defamation and no network legal team would have let her air the story.


Any like.. sources?




joether -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 9:39:17 PM)

We as Americans are to be blamed for the way news agencies have shifted from the 'Walter Cronkite' days. Back then, news was very informative and journalist competed to bring the best information to the individual viewer. Opinions were generally restricted to the editorial pages. Unfortunately as time progressed, this model of 'information giving' was outdated. Less and less Americans were watching the TV news stations, or reading the paper, as both were.....BORING. FOX News was the first to really experiment with 'sensational news coverage'. Stuff that really got people to watch their news over the others, and thereby earn more revenue dollars from advertisers. Each company soon followed suit in a variety of ways.

Unfortunately this also saw the deterioration of journalistic credibility and integrity. Stories were soon being written to excite the viewer rather than inform them. When we hear of a bill in the House, how many online sites post an actual link to the bill? Or even successful identify the bill for a simple Google search? There are many articles that look like freshman in high school completed a class project rather than a professional's workmanship. Added to this, are the invisible 'lines' of politics of the day. That if one identifies themselves as 'A' they will be less likely to follow information coming from location 'B' since 'B' is usually against the concepts.

For any one news source, I have to check about five to nine different places just to get the majority of facts and vet the information for accuracy and integrity. What the hell happened to good journalism? That asking good and tough questions minus the political slant is no longer used, since it doesn't bring in advertising dollars is now the most acceptable way of doing business, is rather wrong in my book. Reporters either cant or are unwilling to ask questions for the sake of getting all the information together and verified for accuracy. One only needs to head on over to the Drudge Report to find how 'one sided' their 'information' is to the viewer.

Why do I blame us Americans? We are the ones allowing this crap to continue.




EdBowie -> RE: More hysteria at MSNBC (1/7/2014 9:53:44 PM)

And by 'Americans', you mean Conrad Black, Rupert Murdoch, Deutsch Telecom, and Sony?



quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

We as Americans are to be blamed for the way news agencies have shifted from the 'Walter Cronkite' days. Back then, news was very informative and journalist competed to bring the best information to the individual viewer. Opinions were generally restricted to the editorial pages. Unfortunately as time progressed, this model of 'information giving' was outdated. Less and less Americans were watching the TV news stations, or reading the paper, as both were.....BORING. FOX News was the first to really experiment with 'sensational news coverage'. Stuff that really got people to watch their news over the others, and thereby earn more revenue dollars from advertisers. Each company soon followed suit in a variety of ways.

Unfortunately this also saw the deterioration of journalistic credibility and integrity. Stories were soon being written to excite the viewer rather than inform them. When we hear of a bill in the House, how many online sites post an actual link to the bill? Or even successful identify the bill for a simple Google search? There are many articles that look like freshman in high school completed a class project rather than a professional's workmanship. Added to this, are the invisible 'lines' of politics of the day. That if one identifies themselves as 'A' they will be less likely to follow information coming from location 'B' since 'B' is usually against the concepts.

For any one news source, I have to check about five to nine different places just to get the majority of facts and vet the information for accuracy and integrity. What the hell happened to good journalism? That asking good and tough questions minus the political slant is no longer used, since it doesn't bring in advertising dollars is now the most acceptable way of doing business, is rather wrong in my book. Reporters either cant or are unwilling to ask questions for the sake of getting all the information together and verified for accuracy. One only needs to head on over to the Drudge Report to find how 'one sided' their 'information' is to the viewer.

Why do I blame us Americans? We are the ones allowing this crap to continue.





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