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Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 1:25:08 PM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		I recently came across a former US Air Force 1963 crew cab dodge power wagon.

Body is cherry, just a little rust, and the frame appears to be okay.

My idea is to pull the body and put it on a modern heavy duty frame, and a non-computer cummins diesel, analog gauges, four wheel drive and have it about 6 inches higher than it is from the ground.

The present owner of the truck wants $2500, the interior is shot, looks like it was food for critters, the original slant six engine is blown (nice hole with a piston rod sticking out of it.)

Heavy duty frame will run about 5k, four wheel drive running gear another 4K, engine an easy 6K.

The reason for non computer engine and analog gauges is simple, EMP, and not necessarily from a nuke, solar flares raise all kinds of hell with electronics.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 2:08:36 PM   
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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 2:23:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds awfully expensive for what you are getting. The total you listed is $17.5k and you still don't have an interior.

You can buy yourself a BMW with seat warmers for that.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 2:28:21 PM   
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Sounds awfully expensive for what you are getting. The total you listed is $17.5k and you still don't have an interior.

You can buy yourself a BMW with seat warmers for that.



I have some competition off road seats for the front, as for the backseat, I plan to hit the local wrecking yard for a bench.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 2:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		2500 for basically a rusted body sounds high.

Offer to haul it away if he pays you $100 for fuel and time.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 3:03:37 PM   
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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 3:14:54 PM   
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2500 for basically a rusted body sounds high.

Offer to haul it away if he pays you $100 for fuel and time.



As I said, the body has very little rust on it, and no place is it rusted through.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 6:07:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to be looking farther west, Jlf. Out of Texas. Get over to New Mexico and Arizona, even the CA desert, and your ancient Air Force Dodge budget will go much further. I've seen runners with interiors for not much over what you are looking at spending on a shell.

Hell, make it this far, and I'll feed you a steak, and give you directions to a store where you could buy that scotch stuff you like.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 6:10:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Better off finding a deuce n half that needs some work done on it make a better off road truck.I have owned one of those crew cab air force trucks

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 6:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is another project I am looking at, a guy locally has one with a multi fuel engine, but has no idea about being a mechanic. I have a buddy that worked on those things when he was in service.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 8:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The numbers on that truck look about right, as long as it's just surface rust. All the other gear you mentioned is also in the market, too. The problem is, EMP is a weird cat. Just because it doesn't have electronics doesn't automatically assure you of protection against it. To be really sure, you'd have to inquire about specialty hardening equipment that is available, but most vehicles today can withstand a surprising amount of EMP in stock form. I would inquire of the folks who specialize in desert vehicles, because whirling sand can build up an impressive charge under the right conditions. I've been told that something as simple as a trailing ground wire can conduct the charge down and away from the vehicle, just like a lightning rod, but the only way to be 100% sure is to test it in one of the industrial test centers power companies use.



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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 8:52:45 PM   
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The numbers on that truck look about right, as long as it's just surface rust. All the other gear you mentioned is also in the market, too. The problem is, EMP is a weird cat. Just because it doesn't have electronics doesn't automatically assure you of protection against it. To be really sure, you'd have to inquire about specialty hardening equipment that is available, but most vehicles today can withstand a surprising amount of EMP in stock form. I would inquire of the folks who specialize in desert vehicles, because whirling sand can build up an impressive charge under the right conditions. I've been told that something as simple as a trailing ground wire can conduct the charge down and away from the vehicle, just like a lightning rod, but the only way to be 100% sure is to test it in one of the industrial test centers power companies use.




Thanks for the info.

I have 8 people here that if things got bad (I actually expect a pandemic virus like Ebola or some other virus that makes the jump to humans) and figure that since we are technically close to the city (city limits about a mile away, but the town doesnt start for another six miles) our best option would be to move to a more remote part of the county.

There is actually two ways to get on the property, the main gate, very neglected and deteriorated air force access road or you can take one of the county tertiary roads, at the creek with no bridge, take a right and follow the creek bed for a 1/2 mile then up the shallow bank.

The gate at the highway has a rusty chain on it, a rusty but well working pad lock and because of the pavement, you cant tell when the last time someone went in there.

Call me paranoid, but new locks and gate chains tend to invite people you really dont want visiting.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 9:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are really worried about EMP there are much bigger issues than your car not working.

You know, like all that hard radiation. And an EMP that powerful is probably going to set all the gasoline on fire. And it'll play havoc with your central nervous system.

A bicycle is a better idea.

Unless there are zombies. If it's the zombie apocalypse you need the biggest truck with the most horsepower you can find.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 9:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you rig up anything like claymores or 'bamboo bombs' on that track ? No need to rig them until the last minute and use mercury switches in the bamboo bombs

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:20:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure about you, but I'm a touch leery about driving a home-made armored vehicle with home-made fragmentation devices hanging off of it, especially ones with mercury switches. Just sayin'...

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:26:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking of the mercury switches in bamboo bombs along the driveway/track. I saw them in West Africa and they were horrible bloody things.
Hang them off a vehicle ? No way in the world man !!!..............Imagtine the mess on the first bumb in the track ????

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:28:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		There again, if they were shaped so that they exploded OUTWARDS, they might be something of a (very final) detterrent to anybody approaching the vehicle from the sides ?

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:33:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		A mercury switch is just that: a switch. It makes an electrical contact when the mercury is jostled. Attaching one of those to a vehicle is preplanned suicide.

You can also find a mercury switch in your nearest thermostat.

Besides which, for zombies, you use an AR15 with headshots or a 12-gauge shotgun with big boomies to blow them apart. Any 10 year old with a PS3 knows this.

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:37:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		They used them in Africa hanging from trees in large sections of bamboo filled with explosives and assorted scrap metal. We never drove at night because you never saw the damn things until the lead vehicle had found one.
The claymores could be used on/off the side of a vehicle but the bamboo bombs need to be fairly static obviously

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RE: Considering the survival threads.. - 1/4/2014 10:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm. I have some experience with explosives, and the closer you are to them, the greater the effects are, even if they're directed away from you. While I get the point about the ones on the roadside, again, I'm not sure I want to have things strapped on the outside of my chariot going kaboom right next to my head, most especially not behind home-made armor with home-made claymores. Granted, it'd look cool in a movie, and might even work a time or two in real-life, but it'd be a rough way to win a fight to be sure.

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