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Phydeaux -> RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov (11/17/2013 7:51:57 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -
"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"
It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.
A DDoS attack is not civil disobedience. It is a major felony and people caught doing it have traditionally been given stiff sentences and parole conditions not allowing them to be in the same room with anything with a cpu.
Major felony, eh?
Quite to the contrary, most people running DDOS attacks are never caught;
Most originate outside the country, so catching them is.. very difficult.
Of the *very* few - less than 1 in 100,000 that are caught, get any kind of sentence. Because most of them are script kiddies surfing for porn.
Its only when you get to major networks engaging in significant financial transactions that you really wake up and catch peopls notice.
Finally, ping is a simple tool that is on every single MS computer, potentially.
It has legitimate use. Suppose you wanted to find out if the healthcare site was up. You would
ping "healthcare.gov" -t
Now, if enough people were to do that, at the same time it would qualify as a DDOS attack. Given healthcare.gov I expect 6, 6 people would be enough (just kidding). From the info published so far, it would probably take 20-30,000 people. But in the scheme of things - thats nothing. Bot nets out there run with a couple hundred thousand computers.
Now, I am certainly *not* advocating that anyone do such a thing. Never ever ever.
But I certainly don't see that as any different as chaining yourself to the doors of a facility - or breaking into a factory and freeing all their lynx.
The very fact that you don't see DDOS attacks (redirect, or deface or ...) on their server farm speaks well of republicans and tea-party types in general, because the security on that server farm is as bad as most of the rest of the implementation.
Trivial to do - and yet, not done.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
Ping cannot cause a DoS since most firewalls are now set to not echo ICMP packets or to stop responding if it starts getting lots of them.
However it is a fact that if someone is caught instigating a DDoS they have been prosecuted and gotten lengthy prison sentences and extreme parole conditions. Anyone actually involved in IT knows that.
Uh-huh. However the website for healthcare.gov is, in fact, responding to pings. It also has a number of other security breaches.
Besides you are factually wrong. Pings can indeed cause a denial of service even if your firewall is set to dump icmp. The question isn't the bandwidth behind the firewall - its the bandwith leading to the firewall or of the firewall. Or don't you know what a step back period is?
Also it is not a fact that people caught executing DDOS attacks uniformly get lengthy sentences. Have you never been to defcon, greyhat or black hat?
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