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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, no fix? There is no fix for the defense department, repeal it. There is no fix for the nutsucker party, outlaw it. There is no fix for the paramilitarization of the police, repeal it.

The nutsuckers are so inept at legislation they cannot craft a bill that will replace and cure Obamacare? Shoot them, don't pay them, and make their families acquire the cost to pay back americans who want a legislature that has competence.



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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:42:12 PM   
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Oh, no fix? There is no fix for the defense department, repeal it. There is no fix for the nutsucker party, outlaw it. There is no fix for the paramilitarization of the police, repeal it.


National Defense is a Federal Authority.

The parties can be fixed, per se.

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The nutsuckers are so inept at legislation they cannot craft a bill that will replace and cure Obamacare? Shoot them, don't pay them, and make their families acquire the cost to pay back americans who want a legislature that has competence.


The Republican attempts at reforming health care were left off the floor. The Senate likely wouldn't bring them up for debate, let alone a vote.

I disagree with your recommendation on how to deal with inept elected representatives, but I do agree we need to replace the majority of them if we ever hope to have actual competence in that Branch.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 1:03:44 PM   
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With a record of 41 unbroken failures behind him, and failure #42 apparently beyond the planning (?) stage, the question must be asked: Why isn't this moron in charge of US Middle Eastern policy? He seems to have all the necessary qualifications.


Who says the current person in charge of US Middle Eastern policy isn't eminently qualified, too?


Well that's just the point. Going back for 30 years or more just what could any US admin.do with such tribal and religious zealots ? Our middle east policy should be stop the killing and produce as much oil as you can...period. Try it sometime.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 1:07:47 PM   
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The Republican attempts at reforming health care were left off the floor.


Don't know what that means, certainly not during the crafting of the Obamacare bill. If the republicans had amendements to offer (which they didnt) they would have been accepted.

If Boehner is not letting his boys bring amendments to the Obamacare law down there, then I would say you got a problem in the party, which we all know you got.



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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 9:42:08 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/house-conservatives-back-obamacare-alternative-070152782--finance.html

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 10:14:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		That dogshit, if it passes the house will never hit the Senate floor. That is no alternative.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:15:21 AM   
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That dogshit, if it passes the house will never hit the Senate floor. That is no alternative.


It most certainly is an alternative.

It might not be on you like or any opposing party representatives in office likes, but that's hardly a standard for it to be an alternative. Why won't Harry Reid bring it to the Senate floor?

Been meaning to ask this... wtf is your new avatar?!?!? LOL!


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:15:54 AM   
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FR,

http://news.yahoo.com/house-conservatives-back-obamacare-alternative-070152782--finance.html

They've announced bullshit like this before and no law has ever even been introduced into committee.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:29:54 AM   
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That dogshit, if it passes the house will never hit the Senate floor. That is no alternative.


It most certainly is an alternative.

It might not be on you like or any opposing party representatives in office likes, but that's hardly a standard for it to be an alternative. Why won't Harry Reid bring it to the Senate floor?

Been meaning to ask this... wtf is your new avatar?!?!? LOL!



I answered you, because it is dogshit. First off it explodes the debt, and doesn't do anything for the underinsured or uninsured.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:43:26 AM   
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That dogshit, if it passes the house will never hit the Senate floor. That is no alternative.

It most certainly is an alternative.
It might not be on you like or any opposing party representatives in office likes, but that's hardly a standard for it to be an alternative. Why won't Harry Reid bring it to the Senate floor?
Been meaning to ask this... wtf is your new avatar?!?!? LOL!

I answered you, because it is dogshit. First off it explodes the debt, and doesn't do anything for the underinsured or uninsured.


According to you, it's dogshit.

According to the CBO, how many more will Obamacare cover? How many will it leave uncovered?

Any citation for it "exploding" the debt?


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:48:59 AM   
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According to the CBO, how many more will Obamacare cover? How many will it leave uncovered?


Why don't you hunt that up?

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Any citation for it "exploding" the debt?


Lets see, how about 3rd grade government?
We have revenues and expenditures.
Our revenues are far outstripped by our expenditures.
This bill reduces about $7500 income for a reduction in taxes (right from the link).

No, I guess its like a sale, buy more and save, hah?

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 11:54:14 AM   
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According to the CBO, how many more will Obamacare cover? How many will it leave uncovered?

Why don't you hunt that up?


It was a rhetorical question. I believe the numbers were along the lines of 10M more insured and 30M left uninsured. But, again, it was rhetorical, as it doesn't cover everyone, either. I'm sure you know that, but, conveniently, will only complain that the R's ideas won't address them, while it actually does.

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Any citation for it "exploding" the debt?

Lets see, how about 3rd grade government?
We have revenues and expenditures.
Our revenues are far outstripped by our expenditures.
This bill reduces about $7500 income for a reduction in taxes (right from the link).
No, I guess its like a sale, buy more and save, hah?


Sure does. But, how will that change the economy? You have no clue (and there hasn't been any scoring by the CBO, so there is no way for anyone to tell exactly how it will impact tax revenues, or expenditures). I'm merely pointing that out.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:01:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, mine is not rhetorical. How many will that dogshit cover that are not covered now?

I dont need to have the cbo tell me that (at 20% which is low, $1500 from each taxpayer we get now, and not coming in will increase the debt dramatically). You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.


Nor Obamacare. The 'alternative' bill is as useless a piece of dogshit as the 42nd repeal of Obamacare bill.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:07:56 PM   
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Yeah, mine is not rhetorical. How many will that dogshit cover that are not covered now?
I dont need to have the cbo tell me that (at 20% which is low, $1500 from each taxpayer we get now, and not coming in will increase the debt dramatically). You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.
Nor Obamacare. The 'alternative' bill is as useless a piece of dogshit as the 42nd repeal of Obamacare bill.


We have an idea how Obamacare will impact the budget, don't we?

As far as how many people it will cover, it won't cover anyone. It won't cover people who are currently covered. It won't cover people who are underinsured, or uninsured. It isn't designed to cover anyone. It is designed to give incentive for people to get coverage for themselves. It isn't mandating a purchase, but giving a monetary incentive for someone to choose to make a purchase. And, since people are going to know how much they are getting, regardless of how much they spend on insurance, they'll have incentives to shop prices so they can have as much left as possible. Surely that won't impact the economy.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		And, since people are going to know how much they are getting, regardless of how much they spend on insurance, they'll have incentives to shop prices so they can have as much left as possible. Surely that won't impact the economy.


?????????????????????????????

I cannot deal with innumeracy at such a primordial level.

I can only say....................UH. NO. EPIC FAIL.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:27:08 PM   
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And, since people are going to know how much they are getting, regardless of how much they spend on insurance, they'll have incentives to shop prices so they can have as much left as possible. Surely that won't impact the economy.
?????????????????????????????
I cannot deal with innumeracy at such a primordial level.
I can only say....................UH. NO. EPIC FAIL.


No? Really? Perhaps you need to look again. From the link:
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    Under the proposal endorsed by the Republican Study Committee, individuals who purchase coverage approved for sale in their state could claim a deduction of $7,500 against their income and payroll taxes, regardless of the cost of the insurance. Families could deduct $20,000.


So, it sure looks like people are going to know how much they are getting.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Their knowing what they are getting doesn't mean shit. It is the getting.


claim a deduction of $7,500 against their income and payroll taxes, regardless of the cost of the insurance. Families could deduct $20,000.

(please tell me how this increases already inadequate revenue.

Even if you dont get shit, lets say ..... a car.....you still shop price, it doesnt mean anything.


Dogshit, from inception to death in the committee.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:56:06 PM   
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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 12:57:11 PM   
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Sending a bunch of poison pill bills loaded with right wing crap to the Senate and then trying to blame the Senate when they are not passed was already tried by Boehner and his moronic tea party compatriots. The Senate simply ignored all those bills and the American people did not buy any of the claims put forth by the Republicans. Doing it again would simply make the Republicans even less popular and only tea part idiots would blame anyone else.


An the creation of each bill to its point of vote costs....HOW MUCH...to us the taxpayer? Rather amusing that Republicans nor their supporters ever stop to announce this specific concept, when this budget problem starts to arise (or in full swing). It is a rather hard number to tact down into real numbers. I've done some researching an the number comes back as $525K for House member salaries (1) to the rather large number $50 million/day (2). No the number seems to be around $2 million and change per vote. (3). It really is hard to nail down exactly the cost for each vote as none of the Congressional watchdog groups have ever attempted such a task.

But the cost here with not creating a bill to skip the budget crisis is more measured in events to follow rather than the one that is present. Conservatives, sadly never look down the road to how the events could shift very unfavorably their way. Many polls I've seen over the past year place Americans as likely blaming Republicans for a government shut down. That is in line with Republicans and their conservative/libertarian/tea party supporters who are hell-bent on removing The Affordable Care Act by any means necessary. And if the whole government has to shut down to achieve that, that's 'ok' for this group of Americans.

Given what is said so far, what is the long road to a government shut down? Well, I'm pretty sure based on the attitudes, ideas and polls, that moderates will shift in high numbers to the Democrats for the midterm and general elections of 2014 and 2016. The conservative misinformation machines which are currently running at 130% of capacity right now will be force to exceed 240% after that event. Most Americans will blame Republicans when their social security gets cut and they are forced to handle expenses out of pocket on a very fixed budget. Oh, and when Democrats get elected to office in high numbers (taking over the House in the process), that's when NOT looking down the road will be a bad idea for Republicans/conservatives/libertarians/tea party. You know all those gun control bills currently stalled in the House right now? Yeah, they go into full motion....

So what is more important for conservatives, libertarians, and tea partiers? Killing The Affordable Care Act? Or more strict gun control that easily circumnavigates the 2nd?

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/18/2013 1:18:10 PM   
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The Republican attempts at reforming health care were left off the floor. The Senate likely wouldn't bring them up for debate, let alone a vote.

I disagree with your recommendation on how to deal with inept elected representatives, but I do agree we need to replace the majority of them if we ever hope to have actual competence in that Branch.


Do some fact checking there. Much of The Affordable Care Act (before being hacked to pieces by Republicans in 2009) were ideas from the saner version of the GOP back in the '90s. The bills that came forward in the House AFTER the ACA were not in the best interests of the American population. Go ahead, read the bills, they aren't terribly long but are chalked full of total B.S. They wish to replace sections of the ACA with stuff that was foolish and dumb in the first place with the intent to blame it all on the President to their mindless followers. Democrats saw right through each of those bills and killed them.

The bills the Republicans have pushed in this session of Congress have been...BAD....for America. Democrats were right to kill the vast majority of them. Did you stop and read each of the Republican bills? No? Then before you support the GOP, read up on all those failed bills. While some of them had some good ideas, they were generally create more problems than they attempted to solve. Ask yourself this DS, why is it ONLY 15 bills pass the Senate when the norm is 190 to 260? Republicans created a horde of bad bills that they KNEW before the bills were passed didn't have a 'snowball's chance in Hell' of succeeding in the Senate. So why did they pass the bills in the House knowing that? To score political points with their voters. Had nothing to do with 'doing whats right for America now or in her future days'!

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