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Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 3:06:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		WASHINGTON -- House Republicans have now voted 41 times to repeal Obamacare, knowing each time that those bills would go nowhere in the Senate and never get the green light from President Barack Obama.

But Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) is amped up about attempt number 42. He and other Tea Party lawmakers in the House are pushing GOP leaders to tie a vote to defund the Affordable Care Act to a must-pass, temporary spending bill aimed at keeping the government funded past Oct. 1, when current funding runs out. The effort has been a serious headache for GOP leaders, who want to appease their Tea Party flank but don't want to risk a government shutdown.

Huelskamp was excited this week as he talked to reporters about the latest strategy for killing Obamacare.

"None of the other votes were on must-pass bills. They were on individual bills," he told The Huffington Post, comparing the House's past attempts to sink Obamacare to baseball. "We've had 42 different swings at the bat. Forty-two different exhibition games. But we've never actually had a regular season."

Huelskamp told HuffPost things will be different this time because the legislative vehicle being used gives repeal proponents more leverage.

"We haven't had it on the C.R. yet," he said, referring to the temporary spending measure, known as a continuing resolution. "We have 85 who say they want a vote on this."

House Republican leaders have the rest of the month to come up with some way to keep their party together without bringing the government to a screeching halt. Either way, Senate Democratic leaders said Thursday the only thing they'll allow through their chamber is a clean bill to keep the government running. No Obamacare provisions.

"They know we will not repeal Obamacare. We have the high ground," said Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Senate Democratic Policy and Communications Center.

"If we say to them, 'We dare you, shut down the government unless you repeal Obamacare, we dare you, risk the full faith and credit of the United States until we end Obamacare,' they will lose," he said. "That's the dilemma."

Asked what the next step will be if the Senate refuses to budge on its demand for a clean spending bill, Huelskamp said he didn't have a specific plan yet.

"We've got plenty of time," he said. "We've got three weeks."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/tim-huelskamp-obamacare-repeal_n_3921960.html?ref=topbar

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 3:46:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		With a record of 41 unbroken failures behind him, and failure #42 apparently beyond the planning (?) stage, the question must be asked: Why isn't this moron in charge of US Middle Eastern policy? He seems to have all the necessary qualifications.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 6:59:41 AM   
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With a record of 41 unbroken failures behind him, and failure #42 apparently beyond the planning (?) stage, the question must be asked: Why isn't this moron in charge of US Middle Eastern policy? He seems to have all the necessary qualifications.


Who says the current person in charge of US Middle Eastern policy isn't eminently qualified, too?


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 7:02:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The House holding the purse strings is definitely leverage. Next election cycle (next year) is going to get ugly.

If a Representative sees OBamacare as so heinous that he is willing to shut down government (not what will actually happen), and his constituents support him in this endeavor, why shouldn't he work towards this end?

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 12:10:16 PM   
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The House holding the purse strings is definitely leverage. Next election cycle (next year) is going to get ugly.

If a Representative sees OBamacare as so heinous that he is willing to shut down government (not what will actually happen), and his constituents support him in this endeavor, why shouldn't he work towards this end?

Well, there is that quaint notion called 'patriotism'...

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 1:02:09 PM   
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With a record of 41 unbroken failures behind him, and failure #42 apparently beyond the planning (?) stage, the question must be asked: Why isn't this moron in charge of US Middle Eastern policy? He seems to have all the necessary qualifications.


Who says the current person in charge of US Middle Eastern policy isn't eminently qualified, too?


Nobody can ever be as qualified to run a fiasco in Iraq as the shower of twats who made up the original CPA, surely?


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 7:29:32 PM   
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With a record of 41 unbroken failures behind him, and failure #42 apparently beyond the planning (?) stage, the question must be asked: Why isn't this moron in charge of US Middle Eastern policy? He seems to have all the necessary qualifications.

Who says the current person in charge of US Middle Eastern policy isn't eminently qualified, too?

Nobody can ever be as qualified to run a fiasco in Iraq as the shower of twats who made up the original CPA, surely?


And, that has, what to do with anything?


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 7:32:34 PM   
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The House holding the purse strings is definitely leverage. Next election cycle (next year) is going to get ugly.
If a Representative sees OBamacare as so heinous that he is willing to shut down government (not what will actually happen), and his constituents support him in this endeavor, why shouldn't he work towards this end?

Well, there is that quaint notion called 'patriotism'...


Actually, representing the people that hired you to represent them would be what the representative is supposed to do.

And, you are also ascribing your opinion to them. If they don't think Obamacare is a good thing for the USA, then it is their patriotic duty to continue to try to repeal it.

Just because you hold an opinion doesn't mean others don't hold the opposite opinion.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/15/2013 10:46:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The House holding the purse strings is definitely leverage. Next election cycle (next year) is going to get ugly.
If a Representative sees OBamacare as so heinous that he is willing to shut down government (not what will actually happen), and his constituents support him in this endeavor, why shouldn't he work towards this end?

Well, there is that quaint notion called 'patriotism'...


Actually, representing the people that hired you to represent them would be what the representative is supposed to do.

And, you are also ascribing your opinion to them. If they don't think Obamacare is a good thing for the USA, then it is their patriotic duty to continue to try to repeal it.

Just because you hold an opinion doesn't mean others don't hold the opposite opinion.



I think it could be fairly argued that trying to shut down the US government is not, in fact, very patriotic. Obviously, everybody has their own opinions about policy matters, and has the right to debate them and vote on them. But there's a difference between saying "let's try to convince everyone to do X instead of Y" and saying "fuck this, let's break everything so nobody can do anything".

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:30:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The House holding the purse strings is definitely leverage. Next election cycle (next year) is going to get ugly.
If a Representative sees OBamacare as so heinous that he is willing to shut down government (not what will actually happen), and his constituents support him in this endeavor, why shouldn't he work towards this end?

Well, there is that quaint notion called 'patriotism'...


Actually, representing the people that hired you to represent them would be what the representative is supposed to do.

And, you are also ascribing your opinion to them. If they don't think Obamacare is a good thing for the USA, then it is their patriotic duty to continue to try to repeal it.

Just because you hold an opinion doesn't mean others don't hold the opposite opinion.



I think it could be fairly argued that trying to shut down the US government is not, in fact, very patriotic. Obviously, everybody has their own opinions about policy matters, and has the right to debate them and vote on them. But there's a difference between saying "let's try to convince everyone to do X instead of Y" and saying "fuck this, let's break everything so nobody can do anything".


It seems Mark Twain disagrees with you. "No mans life or property is safe while congress is in session."...

Generally, the less congress does, the happier I am. The only problem I had with Obamas junket to spain was he didn't take any congressmen with him and it only lasted a couple of weeks.

Personally, I think the dims have the calculus wrong on this. Obamacare is unpopular.

Here's what you do. Instead of one massive, spending bill. Pass 100's of spending bills. Announce that since obamacare is so divisive you will take it up under its own bill, last.

Make the senate vote against a social security cost of living.
Make the senate vote against veterans benefits.
Make the senate vote against defense spending.
Make the senate vote against parks, and police and teachers.



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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 3:00:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sending a bunch of poison pill bills loaded with right wing crap to the Senate and then trying to blame the Senate when they are not passed was already tried by Boehner and his moronic tea party compatriots. The Senate simply ignored all those bills and the American people did not buy any of the claims put forth by the Republicans. Doing it again would simply make the Republicans even less popular and only tea part idiots would blame anyone else.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 10:41:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		That wasn't my proposal.

I said nothing about loading the bills with poison pills. I simply suggested passing a series of spending bills. Nothing political in the bills. Keep spending as-is or perhaps adjust for inflation.

The point is pass a series of politically neutral bills. Then it comes down solely to obamacare.

If the house passes the entire budget as a series of bills - they can't be attacked for "shutting down the government". they pass the bills and remove those issues from the table.

Then the repubs can make the issue solely obamacare.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 10:49:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		But we have kept passing a series of spending bills. Appropriations, off budget. Haven't had a budget since Clinton. Borrow and spend thats the nutsucker way.

You cannot solve the nations problems with the same tired level of thinking and borrowing and spending that created the nations problems.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 11:47:54 AM   
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But we have kept passing a series of spending bills. Appropriations, off budget. Haven't had a budget since Clinton. Borrow and spend thats the nutsucker way.
You cannot solve the nations problems with the same tired level of thinking and borrowing and spending that created the nations problems.


Exactly. So, stop the fucking spending.

Thus ending the tired level of thinking, and reducing the amount borrowed.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 11:51:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		See them clowns down in the house. They have an excellent opportunity to slash the toy budget for the defense department drastically, and there are a couple other areas they could cut and make efficient. The Obamacare repeal aint one of em.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:03:09 PM   
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The Obamacare repeal aint one of em.

Nope, but it's the only one they can find it in their shriveled dead hearts to do anything about.
Expecting the GOP to reduce defence spending is like expecting Pete Doherty to lay off the smack.

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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:04:14 PM   
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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:08:59 PM   
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See them clowns down in the house. They have an excellent opportunity to slash the toy budget for the defense department drastically, and there are a couple other areas they could cut and make efficient. The Obamacare repeal aint one of em.


Obamacare *is* one of them, though. That's the point.

I won't argue with you about slashing defense spending. We agree too much on it for there to be any argument.


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:12:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		But it is not one of them, that is the point. If there is something wrong with it, introduce bills that fix it, not bills that put us in worse condition than we are in. Introduce 42 bills that slash the toy budget by 90%.

Seems to me the nutsuckers have been borrowing and spending long before healthcare, for such things as a national azealea collection, a military full of toys and no men which we will not use, gestapoization of police, staffers and felchers to craft noisome and imbecilic bills to destroy our country. . .bills to reduce our freedoms, bills to poison our atmosphere, bills to poison our waters, bills to name shit after Reagan, bills to decimate our Veterans hospitals. . .


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RE: Is 42 the Answer to (GOP) life? - 9/16/2013 12:16:38 PM   
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But it is not one of them, that is the point. If there is something wrong with it, introduce bills that fix it, not bills that put us in worse condition than we are in.
Seems to me the nutsuckers have been borrowing and spending long before healthcare, for such things as a national azealea collection, a military full of toys and no men which we will not use, gestapoization of police, staffers and felchers to craft noisome and imbecilic bills to destroy our country. . .bills to reduce our freedoms, bills to poison our atmosphere, bills to poison our waters, bills to name shit after Reagan, bills to decimate our Veterans hospitals. . .


The idea of "fixing" the bill is silly. There is no "fix." Thus, there is "repeal."

As to the rest of your comments, "blah, blah, blah." Both parties do it. Both parties will continue to do it until We the People stop them.




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