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Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 10:21:26 PM   
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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 10:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.. a rate that has been dropping for 10 years... and he has been in office how long? Yeah.. all Obama.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 10:40:34 PM   
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LOL.. a rate that has been dropping for 10 years... and he has been in office how long? Yeah.. all Obama.

50-50

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 10:45:21 PM   
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LOL.. a rate that has been dropping for 10 years... and he has been in office how long? Yeah.. all Obama.



Nice try - entirely wrong, but nice try! And for those with short memory Obama was inaugurate Jan 2009.





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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 10:58:50 PM   
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LOL.. a rate that has been dropping for 10 years... and he has been in office how long? Yeah.. all Obama.




Well, you may have something there, however, the rate at which it's dropped is quite a bit higher, no? Even taking into account the recession (which was over in the Summer of '09, right?) and not starting Obama until 1/'10, it's dropped over 1% in 3 years.

3 (approx. %-age difference between 1/'03 and 1/'13) isn't a huge number, but when you're talking about a labor force of over 130M, 3% represents 4M+ people.

Move that start date back just a tad (from 1/'03 to 1/'48) and you'll see a bit more...


Looks like we haven't been this low since Carter.
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Thank the Gods there weren't any recessions during Carter/Reagan.
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Nothing going on for Bush 41, Clinton or Bush 43 until the Great Recession.

Lemme guess...
    1. The Republicans destroyed the Economy
    2. Bush destroyed the Economy
    3. The Afghan-Iraq Wars killed the Economy
    4. Wall Street destroyed the Economy
    5. Blah, Blah, Blah


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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:07:24 PM   
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It peaked 10 years ago... its been dropping ever since. There is no "nice try".. this is why you dont give links.

"If the decline stemmed largely from an aging work force, it would be much less worrisome. But the initial wave of baby boomer retirements plays only a small role in the drop; the labor force participation rate has fallen almost as sharply for people aged 25 to 54 as it has for the overall adult population," the newspaper stated.

A report from staffing firm Express Employment Professionals concluded it is unclear what has caused the drop in labor force participation.

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In fact, the labor force participation rate hit its peak more than 10 years ago, The Times noted.





The labor force participation rate is the ratio between the labor force and the overall size of their cohort (national population of the same age range).

Part of the decline is the boomers. Its not all of it, but its definitely part of it. The rest is definitely reflected in the job market itself and unemployment rates.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:09:51 PM   
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LOL.. a rate that has been dropping for 10 years... and he has been in office how long? Yeah.. all Obama.

50-50

The new defense Obama is as good as Bush.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:14:18 PM   
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Lemme guess...
1. The Republicans destroyed the Economy
2. Bush destroyed the Economy
3. The Afghan-Iraq Wars killed the Economy
4. Wall Street destroyed the Economy
5. Blah, Blah, Blah


Care to show me in my post you are referring too where I laid blame on anyone?

If not, quit assuming you know what I am thinking... quit trying to guess. Try asking instead.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:19:21 PM   
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Lemme guess...
1. The Republicans destroyed the Economy
2. Bush destroyed the Economy
3. The Afghan-Iraq Wars killed the Economy
4. Wall Street destroyed the Economy
5. Blah, Blah, Blah

Care to show me in my post you are referring too where I laid blame on anyone?
If not, quit assuming you know what I am thinking... quit trying to guess. Try asking instead.


Just waiting for it. If not you, then someone else with views that align with yours more than mine.

And, do note, that I don't blame the entirety of the decline on the current President. Not that you have made any comments to the contrary, but I just want to make sure no one misconstrues my placing some blame on Obama to mean that he's the only one to blame.


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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:28:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) Boomers
2) Economy
3) Wall Street

Boomers are leaving the job market. Many have either retired or went part time.

The economy has been on a downward spiral for as long as his chart shows the worse of the downward trend.

Wall Street had a deep hand in the downward drop to the economy.

Now, if someone wants to make that a political argument for either side, go for it. For me, its just the reality of the situation without a partisan spin.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/29/2013 11:54:21 PM   
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Just waiting for it. If not you, then someone else with views that align with yours more than mine.

Well there then. Let me throw you a bone. I could go with "Wall Street in Collusion with both parties". In other words, systemic corruption.


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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 12:10:18 AM   
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1) Boomers
2) Economy
3) Wall Street

Boomers are leaving the job market. Many have either retired or went part time.

The economy has been on a downward spiral for as long as his chart shows the worse of the downward trend.

Wall Street had a deep hand in the downward drop to the economy.

Now, if someone wants to make that a political argument for either side, go for it. For me, its just the reality of the situation without a partisan spin.



The times is just trying to spin a ridiculously horrible performance. The jobs gains over the last 23 years - an entire generation- has been lost, almost entirely under this president - and the rates *keep going lower*

And the baby boomers retiring actually doesn't have any significant contribution to the problem. Rather boomers are showing in the ranks of the employed and the unemployed because their retirement savings have been wiped out.

Again, going back to the great depression - there has never been a recession that caused this kind of labor force shrink.

What is actually happening is:

a). full time workers are getting dropped to part time (360,000 in the last job report).
b). more people are dropping out of the job market.
c). more people are going to school since jobs aren't available. (not that it will, really, help them).

How to fix it?
1. Stop putting oposing cheap energy for political reasons- keystone, fracking, coal.
2. End the back log at the patent office.
3. End the disastrous obamacare, which is forcing small businesses to cut hours and employees.
4. Force big banks and big businesses to divest.
5. End TARP and all similar programs.
6. Start paying down the national debt.
7. Quit playing with China. Declare them to be currency manipulators.

See, much as dims don't want to admit it, the reason that O doesn't declare china a currency manipulator is because they are afraid of the consequences of china dumping the dollar.

However, if we had a budget surplus, we could absorb some of that dump by paying off bondholders.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 12:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		When you can stop with the insults, we can revisit your erroneous beliefs.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 12:47:00 AM   
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When you can stop with the insults, we can revisit your erroneous beliefs.

I don't think they are entirely erroneous and that's one of my biggest peeves. In this case I could readily agree with 4,5,6, and I'd have to think about 7. His perspective is a bit warped but it still might make sense. So sheez, don't I wish the reds & blues could at least get together in the places they agree and make something happen rather than whine about Obama or Bush.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 1:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having glossed over the majority of his post quickly.. because I know his desires to attack without reason simply because he is losing an argument, I was referring to the erroneous beliefs that this was all "has been lost, almost entirely under this president".

True to form, he attacks in his typical manner.. and I refuse to spend time on a response to a post that will likely get pulled.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 1:27:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		*nod* To be clear I wasn't meaning to "reprimand" you. I was taking an opportunity that came up for to make a general political observation. I lament that on many issues which are important to me republicans and democrats agree but that red/blue thing prevents working on even the areas where agreement is near absolute.

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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 5:24:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Just waiting for it. If not you, then someone else with views that align with yours more than mine.

Well there then. Let me throw you a bone. I could go with "Wall Street in Collusion with both parties". In other words, systemic corruption.


Yeah, but you're damn near a Canadian, so you don't count. lol

Of course, you are correct. I, personally, don't blame Wall Street, as it's Government that is supposed to keep that dog on a leash. Wall Street is going to do what Wall Street does. It's the politicians fault for giving Wall Street that long of a leash. It's the systemic corruption of our government (wouldn't be surprised if it was at all levels, everywhere) within both parties.



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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 5:35:38 AM   
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Of course, you are correct.

Well sheez. You just blew that one big time. Here I was trying to do you a favor by being the villain in the story and then you go and agree with me? *face palm*


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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 5:51:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Of course, you are correct.

Well sheez. You just blew that one big time. Here I was trying to do you a favor by being the villain in the story and then you go and agree with me? *face palm*


You didn't blame just one side, Jeff. You didn't play it right. Your attempt at being the villain sucked.


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RE: Hope & (Pocket) Change - 8/30/2013 6:16:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		How to fix it?
1. Stop putting oposing cheap energy for political reasons- keystone, fracking, coal.
nobody is opposing cheap energy, we are a net exporter.why? cuz that is where the money is, energy is not ever going to be cheap.


2. End the back log at the patent office.

What will that do, why is there a backlog, and what will be gained? And how are you going to do that under smaller government and sequestration?

3. End the disastrous obamacare, which is forcing small businesses to cut hours and employees.

This of course has been repeatedly shown to be nutsuckerism and felching.


4. Force big banks and big businesses to divest.

That will require removing the nutsuckers from the government, Hank Paulson and the republican congress made them too big to fail.


5. End TARP and all similar programs.

Perhaps a bill such as this could be introduced in the house, ONCE, instead of a dogshit bill having nothing to do with anything introduced over 40 times. That would be a nutsucker problem all the way there, it is their constitutional responsibility.


6. Start paying down the national debt.

We dont collect revenue to fund what we do, even at sequestered levels, or even with a massive reform.


7. Quit playing with China. Declare them to be currency manipulators.


Why? There are far worse manipulators than they, and look, what you are doing is, by doing that, weakening the dollar, if you want to weaken the dollar, why not just--------------weaken the dollar? we can do that you know takes one statement from the fed, along the lines of.........we want to weaken the dollar, and then we can let inflation fly.


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