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Hard to say, really, I wouldn't see Pat Buchanan as the font of all wisdom on racism, any more than Al Sharpton.

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I don't read the entire article (a.d.d) however I got to the part where the father was telling his son about the cops. Unfortunately this is true. I'm a white woman married to a black man in the south. I'm 33 now but once upon a time, we were young and stupid. There were plenty of time that he was harassed by cops. There were times "we" were harassed. It is a sad world that we live in.

Now truthfully, young black youth wearing sagging pants and throwing gangsta signs aren't helping the situation. But there are clearly times when some were wrongfully accused.

I do believe ppl like al sharpton and the like are idiots and should be shot. Adding fuel to a fire is not good. The media also plays a huge part! Their job is to hype up the news. I hate what happen to Trayvon. I really do. Racism is alive and well, especially down here in the south. It's really sad.

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Hard to say, really, I wouldn't see Pat Buchanan as the font of all wisdom on racism, any more than Al Sharpton.

I agree... I should have looked to see who the author was before posting...my bad. I am just hoping the statistics he is showing are wrong or exaggerated.

Butch

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Hard to say, really, I wouldn't see Pat Buchanan as the font of all wisdom on racism, any more than Al Sharpton.

I agree... I should have looked to see who the author was before posting...my bad. I am just hoping the statistics he is showing are wrong or exaggerated.

Butch

Butch........this will freak you out.... for all his foibles and faults, I would vote for him for *GASP* President, and have.

Fuckin worrysome, hah? And people think I am a 'liberal' or 'progressive' or 'socialist' or 'marxist' or all this shit, I am not republican as it exists or has ran for a long long time. That's all.

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Butch........this will freak you out

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Ok maybe if he were running against Sharpton but if we sank low enough for them to be our only choices it could make one hope for the Zombie outbreak.

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I wouldn't accept statistic from Al w/o verification...and I'll treat Pat the same.

(parenthetically, it's actually somewhat startling how difficult it is to find statistics from a reliable, verifiable, citable source on things like white on black crime and vice versa. Something like this, one would think a few minutes on google would leave one good to go.Not even kinda sorta true. Is this such a hot button topic that no reputable agency/firm/university will publish research on it? A paranoid conspiracy theory type might even conclude that such investigation is discouraged...)

The WSJ did have a nifty article, and I'll accept their stats for now...

"Gun-related violence and murders are concentrated among blacks and Latinos in big cities. Murders with guns are the No. 1 cause of death for African-American men between the ages of 15 and 34. But talking about race in the context of guns would also mean taking on a subject that can't be addressed by passing a law: the family-breakdown issues that lead too many minority children to find social status and power in guns.
The statistics are staggering. In 2009, for example, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 54% of all murders committed, overwhelmingly with guns, are murders of black people. Black people are about 13% of the population.

The Justice Department reports that between 1980 and 2008, "blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide.""

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ORIGINAL: Kana

I wouldn't accept statistic from Al w/o verification...and I'll treat Pat the same.

(parenthetically, it's actually somewhat startling how difficult it is to find statistics from a reliable, verifiable, citable source on things like white on black crime and vice versa. Something like this, one would think a few minutes on google would leave one good to go.Not even kinda sorta true. Is this such a hot button topic that no reputable agency/firm/university will publish research on it? A paranoid conspiracy theory type might even conclude that such investigation is discouraged...)

The WSJ did have a nifty article, and I'll accept their stats for now...

"Gun-related violence and murders are concentrated among blacks and Latinos in big cities. Murders with guns are the No. 1 cause of death for African-American men between the ages of 15 and 34. But talking about race in the context of guns would also mean taking on a subject that can't be addressed by passing a law: the family-breakdown issues that lead too many minority children to find social status and power in guns.
The statistics are staggering. In 2009, for example, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 54% of all murders committed, overwhelmingly with guns, are murders of black people. Black people are about 13% of the population.

The Justice Department reports that between 1980 and 2008, "blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide.""

I expect verification from everyone

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ORIGINAL: Kana

I wouldn't accept statistic from Al w/o verification...and I'll treat Pat the same.

(parenthetically, it's actually somewhat startling how difficult it is to find statistics from a reliable, verifiable, citable source on things like white on black crime and vice versa. Something like this, one would think a few minutes on google would leave one good to go.Not even kinda sorta true. Is this such a hot button topic that no reputable agency/firm/university will publish research on it? A paranoid conspiracy theory type might even conclude that such investigation is discouraged...)

The WSJ did have a nifty article, and I'll accept their stats for now...

"Gun-related violence and murders are concentrated among blacks and Latinos in big cities. Murders with guns are the No. 1 cause of death for African-American men between the ages of 15 and 34. But talking about race in the context of guns would also mean taking on a subject that can't be addressed by passing a law: the family-breakdown issues that lead too many minority children to find social status and power in guns.
The statistics are staggering. In 2009, for example, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 54% of all murders committed, overwhelmingly with guns, are murders of black people. Black people are about 13% of the population.

The Justice Department reports that between 1980 and 2008, "blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide.""

I expect verification from everyone

Well, if I'm looking at a primary source document....
I may want some substantiation, but if I'm looking at the FBI UCR (Uniform Crime Report), I'm going to take their word on it in general.

Too many years as a researcher leaves me skeptical to most writing.
I'll accept certain top edge papers, research papers from elite academic U's, hard core stats from neutral think tanks (Tougher and tougher to find these days) and that's about it w/o backing.

In fact, once upon a time I worked for a legislator and a Prof who had waaaaaaaay too much experience with the media-he said they were all lies and misquotes and wouldn't let his students use any newspapers or magazines period.
He accepted hard research and academic papers and that was it.

I'm a bit softer, but I'll only accept a few papers and/or mags.

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You are too generous to the UCR.