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I have a question - 7/17/2013 5:18:50 PM   
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For all you folks that believe that the bible is the absolute truth and the planet is little more than 8000 years old, mind telling me one thing?

After Noah's flood, where did 3,551,121,264 cubic kilometers of water go? It would take that much more water to cover the planet deep enough to have the ark run aground on a mountain.

So where did it go?

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 5:30:33 PM   
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You mean there are people on CM who believe the bible is the utter truth?

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 5:40:08 PM   
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among other things, it is certainly a collection of law however

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 5:53:57 PM   
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For all you folks that believe that the bible is the absolute truth and the planet is little more than 8000 years old, mind telling me one thing?

After Noah's flood, where did 3,551,121,264 cubic kilometers of water go? It would take that much more water to cover the planet deep enough to have the ark run aground on a mountain.

So where did it go?



A giant pre­his­tor­ic flood—which a con­tro­ver­sial the­o­ry has linked to the Bib­li­cal sto­ry of Noah’s Ark—kick-started Eu­ro­pe­an ag­ri­cul­ture, ac­cord­ing to a new stu­dy.

A decade-old the­o­ry holds that about 7,500 years ago, a del­uge filled the Black Sea in the Mid­dle East, in­spir­ing the Noah’s Ark flood tale and pos­sibly some of the oth­er flood sto­ries that mys­te­ri­ously re­cur in many myth­o­lo­gies.

Al­though some re­search­ers dis­pute the the­o­ry, the new stu­dy’s au­thors take it fur­ther and say the dis­as­ter al­so trig­gered a boom in ag­ri­cul­ture. “A cat­a­stroph­ic rise in glob­al sea lev­el led to the flood­ing of the Black Sea and drove dra­mat­ic so­cial change across Eu­rope,” the sci­en­t­ists said in an an­nounce­ment of their find­ings.

The del­uge “could have led to the dis­place­ment of 145,000 peo­ple,” they ex­p­lained.

“Ar­chae­o­log­i­cal ev­i­dence shows that com­mun­i­ties in south­east Eu­rope were al­ready prac­tis­ing early farm­ing tech­niques and pot­tery pro­duc­tion be­fore the Flood. With the cat­a­stroph­ic rise in wa­ter lev­els it ap­pears they moved west, tak­ing their cul­ture in­to ar­eas in­hab­it­ed by hunter-gatherer com­mun­i­ties” across Eu­rope.

The re­search, by the Un­ivers­i­ties of Ex­e­ter, U.K. and Wol­lon­gong, Aus­tral­ia, ap­pears in the Sep­tem­ber is­sue of the re­search jour­nal Qua­ter­nary Sci­ence Re­views.

The trig­ger for the hy­poth­e­sized flood would have been the col­lapse of the North Am­er­i­can Ice Sheet some 8,000 years ago, ac­cord­ing to the sci­en­tists. This would have raised sea lev­els—causing wa­ter to vi­o­lently breach the Bos­po­rus Strait, which pre­vi­ously dammed the Med­i­ter­ra­nean and kept the Black Sea as a freshwa­ter lake.

The Aus­tral­ian and U.K. re­search­ers cre­at­ed re­con­struc­tions of the Med­i­ter­ra­nean and Black Sea shore­line be­fore and af­ter the hy­poth­e­sized sea lev­el rise. They es­ti­mat­ed that nearly 73,000 square km of land, an ar­ea about the size of Ire­land, was lost to the sea in one 34-year pe­ri­od.

Con­tro­ver­sy has dog­ged the flood hy­poth­e­sis from the start, al­though it has sup­port from ev­i­dence in­clud­ing signs of hu­man hab­ita­t­ion found well be­neath the sea.

One team has pro­posed that al­though there was a flood, it hap­pened too grad­u­ally to threat­en an­y­one, and thus can­not ex­plain the del­uge myths. Anoth­er sci­ent­ist has claimed that the true source of these ta­les is the pre­s­ence of ma­rine fos­sils in moun­tains: the fos­sils get there by ge­o­log­ic pro­cess­es, but an­cient peo­ple might have seen them as proof of past floods.

The au­thors of the Qua­ter­nary Sci­ence Re­views pa­per are stick­ing close to the ori­gi­nal del­uge hy­poth­e­sis, pro­posed by ma­rine ge­ol­o­gists Wil­liam Ryan and Wal­ter Pit­man in 1996.

“Peo­ple liv­ing in what is now south­east Eu­rope must have felt as though the whole world had flood­ed. This could well have been the or­i­gin of the Noah’s Ark sto­ry,” said the Un­ivers­ity of Ex­e­ter’s Chris Tur­ney, lead au­thor of the new pa­per. “En­tire coast­al com­mun­i­ties must have been dis­placed, forc­ing peo­ple to mi­grate in their thou­sands. As these ag­ri­cul­tur­al com­mun­i­ties moved west, they would have tak­en farm­ing with them across Eu­rope. It was a rev­o­lu­tion­ary time.”

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071119_flood.htm


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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 6:30:51 PM   
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I know of that theory.

What I am getting at is the few people who believe that the bible is the Literal history of the earth.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 6:52:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I know of that theory.

What I am getting at is the few people who believe that the bible is the Literal history of the earth.

Therein is the power of relentless propaganda and thought control practiced nonstop for 2000 years. Is it any wonder some people buy it whole-hog?

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 6:59:07 PM   
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Therein is the power of relentless propaganda and thought control practiced nonstop for 2000 years.

I hate to spoil your fun, but it doesn't take relentless propaganda, thought control, or 2000 years.

Two words: Jim Jones.

K.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 7:06:14 PM   
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Duh. The oceans were much shallower, before the flood. (Not that I believe such nonsense, but I did spend a couple years incarcerated in baptist school.

The Judeo/Christian story of Noah is simply one variation in the far older flood myth found in primitive beliefs around the world, so why would you tie it to the Bible dating lunacy of fundamentalist douchebags?



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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 7:38:13 PM   
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Old but perhaps interesting: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/index.html

And now I have a question: Why do you care so much about how others view the Bible?

ETA: Some updated info: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 8:16:45 PM   
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For all you folks that believe that the bible is the absolute truth and the planet is little more than 8000 years old

I'm no fan of the Bible, but purely in the interests of accuracy... The literalists do not believe that our planet is more than 8000 years old. They believe that it was created at 9am on October 3, 4004 BC, which makes it almost 6,017 years old.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 8:24:43 PM   
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What I am getting at is the few people who believe that the bible is the Literal history of the earth.


A little off point but...

I've always considered the response of "Because the bible says so" as something less than honestly intellectual...depending on the subject matter and the age of the respondent.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 8:26:28 PM   
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And now I have a question: Why do you care so much about how others view the Bible?


To stir the pot.


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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 8:31:55 PM   
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I know of that theory.

What I am getting at is the few people who believe that the bible is the Literal history of the earth.

Because that is what they were raised to believe, because that is what they want to believe, because they think the alternatives are threatening to their Faith, because association with the young-earth gang gives them warmth and assurance of the self-identity they have crafted, because this modern world is too much with them, and because there are a few who are skeptical of the concensus of most geologists and the radio-isotope techniques of dating rock.

Come on, do you really think the continents are moving?

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:01:54 PM   
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For all you folks that believe that the bible is the absolute truth and the planet is little more than 8000 years old, mind telling me one thing?
After Noah's flood, where did 3,551,121,264 cubic kilometers of water go? It would take that much more water to cover the planet deep enough to have the ark run aground on a mountain.
So where did it go?


According to the tales of AGW proponents, apparently, the ice caps...


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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:21:47 PM   
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A giant pre­his­tor­ic flood—which a con­tro­ver­sial the­o­ry has linked to the Bib­li­cal sto­ry of Noah’s Ark—kick-started Eu­ro­pe­an ag­ri­cul­ture, ac­cord­ing to a new stu­dy.

A decade-old the­o­ry holds that about 7,500 years ago, a del­uge filled the Black Sea in the Mid­dle East, in­spir­ing the Noah’s Ark flood tale and pos­sibly some of the oth­er flood sto­ries that mys­te­ri­ously re­cur in many myth­o­lo­gies.

Al­though some re­search­ers dis­pute the the­o­ry, the new stu­dy’s au­thors take it fur­ther and say the dis­as­ter al­so trig­gered a boom in ag­ri­cul­ture. “A cat­a­stroph­ic rise in glob­al sea lev­el led to the flood­ing of the Black Sea and drove dra­mat­ic so­cial change across Eu­rope,” the sci­en­t­ists said in an an­nounce­ment of their find­ings.

Actually most researchers dispute this claim. The Noachian flood myth is directly related to a Mesopotamian flood story. The Tigris and Euphrates both flood every spring and the most likely source is a handed down tale of one of those. If you absolutely must have a truly giant flood then the filling of what is now the Persian Gulf at about the same time as the Black Sea flood is more likely since the people that originated the myth experienced that one.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:32:29 PM   
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According to the tales of AGW proponents, apparently, the ice caps...


All that water turned into ice caps?

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:40:07 PM   
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It started as a story about someone surviving a localized flood, and over time and retelling, the story became bigger and better. And when you have to condense something like that onto the storage media of the time (sheepskins and papyrus), it was just easier and better to just tell the "sexed-up" parts. Basically, what we have here is the mother of all "the-one-that-got-away" stories.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:53:54 PM   
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Oh, I understand the story.... and the thinking behind it.. which is pretty much one of the reason's why I cant take the Bible as a historical work. However, the OP asked... after the flood.. where did the water go if the Bible states the earth was flooded?

A pretty good question in my opinion.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:57:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Old but perhaps interesting: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/index.html

And now I have a question: Why do you care so much about how others view the Bible?

ETA: Some updated info: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html



Well it kinda is like the question I ask people who believe in bigfoot.

Where is bigfoot's poop? Bigfoot might be secretive, but his poop should be on the ground to be found.

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RE: I have a question - 7/17/2013 9:59:58 PM   
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Simple. It was drained off into the larger bodies of water. Remember, this story wasn't written by a globe-spanning civilization with instant communication. To them, the world was much smaller. It may have seemed as if the world had drowned to a close observer, but after the hydology settled down and balance was made again, the waters seemed to recede. It didn't "go" anywhere, it just repositioned itself.

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