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TheHeretic -> The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 7:16:53 PM)
There are the kinds of racists who see a black child and assume he's a potsmoking thug, looking for something to steal. Then there are the racists who see a black child, and assume he just isn't as good as white folk, and we all have to make special allowances. I happen to think that the coddling, "you poor thing" racists do their damage on a far bigger scale. They are at again, down Alabama way, establishing new school standards based on race. The percentages needed for third-graders to pass math in their subgroups for 2013 are: - 93.6 percent of Asian/Pacific Islander students. - 91.5 percent of white students. - 90.3 percent of American Indian students. - 89.4 percent of multiracial students. - 85.5 percent of Hispanic students. - 82.6 percent of students in poverty. - 79.6 percent of English language-learner students. - 79 percent of black students. - 61.7 percent of special needs students. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20130630/NEWS/130629743

RottenJohnny -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 8:03:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I happen to think that the coddling, "you poor thing" racists do their damage on a far bigger scale. They are at again, down Alabama way, establishing new school standards based on race. I agree. This can't be real. I refuse to accept that people can be so entirely fucking stupid as to actually think this stuff is appropriate no matter what their "data" says.

BamaD -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 8:15:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic There are the kinds of racists who see a black child and assume he's a potsmoking thug, looking for something to steal. Then there are the racists who see a black child, and assume he just isn't as good as white folk, and we all have to make special allowances. I happen to think that the coddling, "you poor thing" racists do their damage on a far bigger scale. They are at again, down Alabama way, establishing new school standards based on race. The percentages needed for third-graders to pass math in their subgroups for 2013 are: - 93.6 percent of Asian/Pacific Islander students. - 91.5 percent of white students. - 90.3 percent of American Indian students. - 89.4 percent of multiracial students. - 85.5 percent of Hispanic students. - 82.6 percent of students in poverty. - 79.6 percent of English language-learner students. - 79 percent of black students. - 61.7 percent of special needs students. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20130630/NEWS/130629743 I live in Alabama, this is the first I have heard of this. It is appalling.

tazzygirl -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 8:22:21 PM)
Some parents and community activists say Plan 2020's “race-based” standards unfairly set low expectations for black, Hispanic, English language-learner, impoverished and special needs students. “I think having a low bar means they can just pass them on,” said Tim Robinson, the father of two black children who attend Alberta Elementary and Englewood Elementary. “I think it's dumbing our race down and preparing our boys for prison. So if they are black and in poverty, where do they fall? This is insane.

MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 9:03:18 PM)
Shaking My head right now. Why any parent bothers to put their children through public/private school (at the mercy of nutcases posing as educatiors---and it's not just Alabama, it's EVERY school) is beyond Me. Bigotry isn't just RACE-related. There's a hell of a lot we females suffer through from school systems' prejudice...Limits on what we are allowed to do for sports, pressure to take certain "gender-norm" courses, different expectations placed on our futures. Low income, disabled, and gay students experience it too. There is always SOME difference that people are singled out for and it shouldn't be that way in school. Education should be free of bullshit and bigotry, with everyone given equal opportunities.

WebWanderer -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 9:05:39 PM)
I can't decide whether this is an ultimate monstrous adaptation to the post-No Child Left Behind world or a trojan horse set in place by racist bastards in the state legislature (or the education board) who want to ruffle some feathers and plant seeds of racism in the younger generation. Then again, could be both...

Real0ne -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 9:33:52 PM)
FR isnt it about time people ask themselves why our legidslators come up with problems many that are shocking to the mind and conscience instead of carefully thought out solutions? Its the norm, why?

Real0ne -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 9:38:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS Shaking My head right now. Why any parent bothers to put their children through public/private school (at the mercy of nutcases posing as educatiors---and it's not just Alabama, as I said many times the government took the mustang dood ranch making several million per annum and within 5 years it was bankrupt. they cant even run a fucking whore house let along anything else. yes california started passing laws against home schooling, not sure where it is at now. I wonder when people are going to start passing laws against government interference. Everyone has been shown how to do it.

graceadieu -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 10:13:21 PM)
What's the context here? From the article, it looks like the state is trying to set realistic short-term goals for schools to improve the scores of different groups of kids. If, say, 70% of black students passed math in 2012, it's probably not realistic to expect that anything the state could possibly do could make 91.5% of the same group pass math one year later. But 79%, that could be a realistic goal. Ideally, 100% of students from all backgrounds in all schools will be able to pass math. But that's not going to happen overnight. Generally speaking, setting a series of smaller goals that are achievable in the short term is a better way to motivate people to get things done.

BamaD -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 10:14:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu What's the context here? From the article, it looks like the state is trying to set realistic short-term goals for schools to improve the scores of different groups of kids. If, say, 70% of black students passed math in 2012, it's probably not realistic to expect that anything the state could possibly do could make 91.5% of the same group pass math one year later. But 79%, that could be a realistic goal. Ideally, 100% of students from all backgrounds in all schools will be able to pass math. But that's not going to happen overnight. Generally speaking, setting a series of smaller goals that are achievable in the short term is a better way to motivate people to get things done. I went to a college where they used that concept. The kids never caught up.

Phydeaux -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 10:22:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS Shaking My head right now. Why any parent bothers to put their children through public/private school (at the mercy of nutcases posing as educatiors---and it's not just Alabama, as I said many times the government took the mustang dood ranch making several million per annum and within 5 years it was bankrupt. they cant even run a fucking whore house let along anything else. yes california started passing laws against home schooling, not sure where it is at now. I wonder when people are going to start passing laws against government interference. Everyone has been shown how to do it. Illegal in Germany too.

graceadieu -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 10:23:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu What's the context here? From the article, it looks like the state is trying to set realistic short-term goals for schools to improve the scores of different groups of kids. If, say, 70% of black students passed math in 2012, it's probably not realistic to expect that anything the state could possibly do could make 91.5% of the same group pass math one year later. But 79%, that could be a realistic goal. Ideally, 100% of students from all backgrounds in all schools will be able to pass math. But that's not going to happen overnight. Generally speaking, setting a series of smaller goals that are achievable in the short term is a better way to motivate people to get things done. I went to a college where they used that concept. The kids never caught up. The alternative is to fail all schools unless they can get all students up to the same level in one year, regardless of the starting point. To me, that doesn't seem reasonable.

Discocurious -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 10:24:37 PM)
Sounds like "Positive discrimination", which is one of the biggest oxymorons you can get... Ps I like to treat all racists the same [:D]

njlauren -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 11:06:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu What's the context here? From the article, it looks like the state is trying to set realistic short-term goals for schools to improve the scores of different groups of kids. If, say, 70% of black students passed math in 2012, it's probably not realistic to expect that anything the state could possibly do could make 91.5% of the same group pass math one year later. But 79%, that could be a realistic goal. Ideally, 100% of students from all backgrounds in all schools will be able to pass math. But that's not going to happen overnight. Generally speaking, setting a series of smaller goals that are achievable in the short term is a better way to motivate people to get things done. The problem is it doesn't work, as Bama said. While setting intermediate goals seems reasonable, the problem is like a lot of temporary things, they become permanent (lots of temporary structures out there, bridges, etc, that somehow become permanent). For this to work, someone has to evaluate each year and change the goalposts, which means they actually have to do something. So if they set the goal at 75% of X group this year passes it, then the rule should be changed that within 5 years 85% should pass it in group X..the real kicker behind this is the legislature sets a goal, and then when they figure out it will cost money to do it, leave it to local schools, the local schools don't have the funds, things don't get better, and so if in 5 years 77% read at level instead of 75%, even though it should have been 85%, they say "it was a target, not a real goal, but we improved". If they really want to do it, then there should be benchmarks in the law that says each year, it has to go up by at least 10%, or there will be accountability. Sadly, though, this is exactly what happens, it is diminished standards, and it isn't just with minority kids. The whole public school is taught dead to the middle, it is greatest common denominator.Instead of teaching to a higher standard, and grading kids by their abilities, stretching all the kids, they have a bland curricula that sort of works in the middle, but leaves the slower kids behind and leaves the brighter kids uninspired, bored and tuned out,but teaching to the middle is a lot easier.

tazzygirl -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/16/2013 11:37:05 PM)
~FR Does anyone find it.... interesting.... that we are spending more money out of pocket for less results in the classroom? And I do mean out of pocket... school supply costs are going up on the parents... and more supplies are being added to that list every year.

eulero83 -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/17/2013 12:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu What's the context here? From the article, it looks like the state is trying to set realistic short-term goals for schools to improve the scores of different groups of kids. If, say, 70% of black students passed math in 2012, it's probably not realistic to expect that anything the state could possibly do could make 91.5% of the same group pass math one year later. But 79%, that could be a realistic goal. Ideally, 100% of students from all backgrounds in all schools will be able to pass math. But that's not going to happen overnight. Generally speaking, setting a series of smaller goals that are achievable in the short term is a better way to motivate people to get things done. the problem in this kind of thinking process is taking statistics of resoults by racial group in first place, instead of thinking a teachers should care about the individuals have in front of them everyday, now I don't know how it works precisely if it works differently please correct me but I suppose kids go in a certain school mostly because of proximity from their home, so if schools in poor areas sucks this program tells them they can go on sucking, if the majority of students in the school is black the school is allowed to suck even more.

MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/17/2013 3:29:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yes california started passing laws against home schooling, not sure where it is at now. I wonder when people are going to start passing laws against government interference. Everyone has been shown how to do it. WHOA! Are you SERIOUS? Some of the smartest, most self-confident kids I know were homeschooled (secular, not religious). I owned a retail store for 14 years, and these kids, often 8 or 10 years old, would come in by themselves, fill their basket with all sorts of items with complicated pricing (some bulk "by the pound" items mixed with "3 for $4.59" etc.) pile them on the counter and hand Me EXACT CHANGE...INCLUDING TAX, before I'd even rung them up. Meanwhile the much older public school kids would ask Me, "How many '2 for $5' items can I buy with a $20 bill?" ...and some of you right now are trying to do that math with your fingers. wink I have several friends who removed their kids from public school due to poor grades and/or bullying to homeschool them (some returned to public schooling after a "remedial period" fixed things). Straight A's and more self confidence were the result. Homeschooling, when done correctly, is far more focused and allows the child to live in "REAL LIFE" alongside adults teaching them real life skills (often a family business such as farm, restaurant, or retail store) instead of the institutionalized setting of a school building with mobs of unruly often criminal-minded kids who affect them negatively. Don't spew that BS about kids needing public school to be "socialized", look at all the cases of bullying, sexual violence, and drug addiction that get spread from child to child in schools...let's not forget BIGOTRY lest the OP's thread get highjacked...how can anyone consider all that interaction "beneficial"? Maybe in California the situation is different? I don't understand why they'd outlaw it.

eulero83 -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/17/2013 6:35:01 AM)
I add something, this is very racist much more than how could seems because the politician or whoever ordered the reserch used racial differences as hypotesys without any evidence this can be a relevant fact, it's like looking at diving competition's international ranking and come to the conlusion that asian have genetical advantage in artistic gymnastics, while the only reason is there are much more person practising that kind of sports in china and the governament spends big money in training their top athletes and teaching the yunger ones. It's like if politician decide to rank schools by two datas the number of cheerleaders and by mean resoults in mathematic's evaluation tests than if the schools with more girls in the cheerleading team have the best score in math they force every high school girl to wear miniskirt and ribbons, if the opposite happens they ban cheerleaders from any school, it's idiot but I don't see any difference in deciding the reason of poor grades must be related to how many "niggers and ragamuffin" are in the school, instead on how big the badget is, how many kids for any teacher there are, what kind of education methods is used or what are the grades in a evaluation test teachers can score.

MasterCaneman -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/17/2013 7:46:26 AM)
What I would like to know is, how to they grade mixed-race students? Are AmeriAsians graded as Asians or White? And what happens when there's three or more racial components involved? How do they determine what the exact racial components are? Blood tests? Essay questions? The Gom Jabbar? And I'm surprised to see there was no sub-category for Jews. You'd have thought of all places, Alabama would make that distinction. /yes, sometimes I like throwing gasoline on a fire.

eulero83 -> RE: The worst sorts of racists (7/17/2013 8:09:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman What I would like to know is, how to they grade mixed-race students? Are AmeriAsians graded as Asians or White? And what happens when there's three or more racial components involved? How do they determine what the exact racial components are? Blood tests? Essay questions? The Gom Jabbar? And I'm surprised to see there was no sub-category for Jews. You'd have thought of all places, Alabama would make that distinction. /yes, sometimes I like throwing gasoline on a fire. seems there is a multiracial category and as it gives lower standards than asian caucasian and natives, so what we learn is while hispanic and black mixed sex improves mathemathical skills in both races, white and yellow white and red or yellow and red mix are very dangerous as they could generate a baby that has worse mathemathical skills and will more likely major in english litterature.

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