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Fightdirecto -> Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 10:17:28 AM)
quote: A man who turned out to be completely sober was pulled over and arrested, his car impounded, and his license suspended after police accused him of driving under the influence. 64-year old Jessie Thornton was pulled over in Surprise, Arizona over the weekend after he crossed the white line. After being told his eyes were red, Thornton said it could have been because he’d just been swimming in a chlorinated pool. The officer wasn’t buying it. “He (the officer) goes, ‘Well we’re going to do a sobriety test.’ I said, ‘OK, but I got bad knees and a bad hip with surgery in two days,” Thornton said. Despite his assurances that a field sobriety test would be painful for him, Thornton says officers made him comply and then handcuffed him on the curb before shoving him into their car to have a Breathalyzer test done at the station. Incredibly, after blowing all zeroes, the attending officer told him he shouldn’t have been arrested on a DUI charge. “I couldn’t even sit on the ground like that and they knew it and I was like laying on the ground, then they put me in the back of an SUV and when I asked the officer to move her seat up ’cause my hip hurt she told me to stop whining,” said Thornton. It was all for suspicion of DUI, according to the officers, but Thornton says there was another reason. “It was driving while black.” Thornton says his wife is a nurse who works a hectic overnight schedule, so he changed his own schedule to match hers. The results have been rather irritating. “I’ve been stopped 10 times in Surprise and given four tickets, it’s amazing,” said Thornton. Thornton has filed a claim against the city of Surprise for $500,000 after losing more than $5,000 for being pulled over so many times.The former firefighter says he used to work with police officers and has nothing against law enforcement, but feels that he’s being targeted because of his race. “Here he (Jessie) is being harassed for no other reason than the color of his skin,” said Attorney Charity Clark. “It’s frustrating that somebody had to go through this type of experience, they poke and prod him and arrest him for nothing.” Sober man arrested for driving while Black Surprise is a city in Maricopa County, Arizona, (Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is probably the county's best known citizen - wonder if there is any coincidence?) and is the spring training home of the Kansas City Royals and the Texas Rangers baseball teams (wonder if they frequently pull over the non-White players for DWB?). Reminds me of my childhood during the 1950s & 1960s in Philadelphia. PA when the police used to stop anyone who looked younger than 25 years old at night for violating the curfew law (anyone under the age of 18 was not supposed to be out on the streets after midnight).

tazzygirl -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 10:25:30 AM)
Surprise!

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 10:30:44 AM)
I brought a guy in at Ft Bragg that was stoned to the gills and he blew zeroes. Nothing shows up on a breathalyzer except alcohol- not THC, not other drugs, not bad hips and knees that make you drive over the white line and get other tickets.....

eulero83 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 11:09:01 AM)
he was lucky to be black, if light brown things could have been worse, try driving while looking mexican and see what could happen.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 11:27:38 AM)
According to documents provided to ABC15 from the City of Surprise, Thornton was taken to police headquarters where he took a breathalyzer test. The test, according to the police documents, came back with a blood alcohol level of 0.000. "Yes, I do the breathalyzer and it comes back zero, zero, zero," said Thornton. While in custody, a "DRE" or drug recognition expert is called to test Thornton. "After he did all the tests, he says, 'I would never have arrested you, you show no signs of impairment,'" said Thornton. The Surprise resident is right. The police documents show the drug recognition officer wrote, "I conducted an evaluation of Jessie, in my opinion Jessie was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol." According the documents from the Surprise Police Department, the blood analysis showed no drugs were detected in Thornton's blood. Jessie's car had been impounded and the MVD notified of the DUI charge. "I then get this message that my license is being suspended and I have to take some sort of drinking class or something," said Thornton. According to the police documents, Thornton was later released to his wife. "She was at work and had to come get me, it was a mess, I couldn't believe it," said Thornton. "On top of that my car was impounded on a Friday night and they said I couldn't get it until Monday.." Thornton now claims this wasn't DUI. "It was driving while black," said Thornton. "This is a case of D-W-B, driving while black," said Thornton's attorney Marc Victor. Victor's office has filed a notice of claim against the City of Surprise seeking $500,000. "It's not totally about the money, although I'm already out more than $5,000, that's $5,000 that I don't have," said Thornton. "This is not the way American citizens ought to be treated by officers or treated by anybody for that matter," said Victor. http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/man-charged-with-dui-despite-documents-showing-blood-alcohol-content-of-0000#ixzz2Vq68NEbT Will be one to watch.

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 11:29:11 AM)
I think all of that is just crap. I look Arab/ethnic... no problem, ever, that I didn't cause. Ever.

Politesub53 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 11:53:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I think all of that is just crap. I look Arab/ethnic... no problem, ever, that I didn't cause. Ever. Not too hot on the use of evidence then ? It is obvious from media reports that racism amongst police officers isnt unknown, and that includes here in the UK.

dcnovice -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 12:03:11 PM)
This caught my eye in the UPI account: Thornton, 64, says he sleeps during the day and runs errands and works out at night in order to keep to the same schedule as his wife, who is an emergency room nurse, and says his late schedule draws the attention of local police. "I've been stopped 10 times in Surprise and given four tickets, it's amazing," said Thornton. I wonder if there's more to this story than we know.

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 12:05:22 PM)
Certainly not strong on anecdotes. Evidence? I saw a study that proved NJ was deliberately targeting blacks that was based on..... radar data. Yeah, there's a lot of "evidence" I'm not real keen on. Does it happen? I'm sure it does. Does the reverse happen? I'm sure it does. Is it a fact because some jerk claims it based on nothing? I'm sure it's not.

eulero83 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 12:41:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Certainly not strong on anecdotes. Evidence? I saw a study that proved NJ was deliberately targeting blacks that was based on..... radar data. Yeah, there's a lot of "evidence" I'm not real keen on. Does it happen? I'm sure it does. Does the reverse happen? I'm sure it does. Is it a fact because some jerk claims it based on nothing? I'm sure it's not. I don't live in the usa, but I knew about maricopa county sheriff before reading this article, this specific case can be true or false but there are so much other strange things happening there that track an habit to step on civil rights, I mean when someone is known even on the other side of the planet means something. Then I can't care the less as I live on the other side of the world.

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 1:21:18 PM)
In this case it means that if you try to enforce immigration law in the United States that you will be persecuted to such an extent that people will hear the hue and cry even in a galaxy far, far, away.

Owner59 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 1:51:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Certainly not strong on anecdotes. Evidence? I saw a study that proved NJ was deliberately targeting blacks that was based on..... radar data. Yeah, there's a lot of "evidence" I'm not real keen on. Does it happen? I'm sure it does. Does the reverse happen? I'm sure it does. Is it a fact because some jerk claims it based on nothing? I'm sure it's not. Not that it would convince you.... Driving While Black: Racial Profiling On Our Nation's Highways "Yet despite overwhelming evidence – including the police department's own statistics on traffic stops – officials in law enforcement continue to deny the reality of racial profiling on our nation's highways. Some deny that the phenomenon of racial profiling even exists, while others declare with indignation that their officers do not stop motorists on the basis of skin color. " http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/driving-while-black-racial-profiling-our-nations-highways New Jersey Troopers Avoid Jail In Case That Highlighted Profiling Nearly four years after they shot three unarmed men during a traffic stop on the New Jersey Turnpike, two New Jersey troopers were allowed to plead guilty to reduced charges today and were spared both jail time and probation. The turnpike shooting came to symbolize the frustration of black and Latino motorists who had complained for years that they were being unfairly and illegally singled out by police officers based solely on their skin color. And it helped ignite a heated national debate about the proper use of profiling in police work, particularly in drug interdiction policy, with critics calling it racist but some law enforcement officials saying it was simply good police work. The legal finale to the case today outraged longtime critics of racial profiling. Civil rights leaders have vowed to press state officials to discipline the supervisors who taught racial profiling and to adopt a new law making it a crime. ''This was not justice,'' said the Rev. Reginald T. Jackson, executive director of the Black Ministers Council of New Jersey. ''And we will not stop until justice is ours.'' http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/15/nyregion/new-jersey-troopers-avoid-jail-in-case-that-highlighted-profiling.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I saw a study that proved NJ was deliberately targeting blacks that was based on..... radar data" Ummmm uhhh...duhhhh ! You think the cops doing this shit are going to be honest about it? http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/12/nyregion/records-show-new-jersey-police-withheld-data-on-race-profiling.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm "Records Show New Jersey Police Withheld Data on Race Profiling"

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 2:10:03 PM)
quote: including the police department's own statistics on traffic stops And do you know what that is? If blacks are driving 40% of the cars on the road, and cars driven by blacks stopped by cops using radar guns constituted 45% of the total number of cars stopped, that's proof of racism and profiling and evil even if the officers stopped every car that their radar gun said was doing at least 6 mph over the posted speed limit and the officers involved had no idea of the race of the driver of the vehicle they were stopping. Some big, "respected" research outfit "proved" the dangers of truck drivers using cell phones by linking accidents to cell phone use if the driver had used a cell phone on the previous day within a 23-25 hour window from the time of the accident. Their explanation was that if the guy used a cellphone at 1 PM on June 4, and the accident occurred at 1:45 PM on June 5, then it was likely he was using a cell phone then too. [sarc:on]Not that the aclu would ever use biased studies. Oh, no. Oh, hell, no. [sarc:off] I trust the cops (8%) more than the professional racists and paid liars (i.e. lawyers) of the aclu(1%). I gave up trusting much of anything but my dog and my own experience before I was 30. And I certainly don't trust anyone who fails to do likewise.

DomKen -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 2:15:38 PM)
How hard is this to understand. the guy passed the field sobriety test, passed the breathalyzer test and passed a blood drug test. Yet he was still reported to the DMV as a DUI and his car was still impounded. How many different ways do these cops have to be in the wrong before you admit they are wrong?

Owner59 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 2:16:40 PM)
I`ll refer you to the 1st sentence of my post.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 2:22:36 PM)
The 2 sides of the story are at such odds with each other, that I'd like to see what is filling in the gap. The city (on the record) had his license suspended, and car impounded and then cheerfully turned around and handed the media their own paperwork showing a BAC of 0.00 and an evaluation of no drug impairment? Something seems to be missing here.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 2:27:48 PM)
The point is, why would cops that venal simply turn around when they are being sued, and hand the media official paperwork proving they lied and framed this guy? The article didn't say it was leaked, or FOIed. Are they crooked cops who are too honest to say no? I suspect there is at least one piece of information missing. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen How hard is this to understand. the guy passed the field sobriety test, passed the breathalyzer test and passed a blood drug test. Yet he was still reported to the DMV as a DUI and his car was still impounded. How many different ways do these cops have to be in the wrong before you admit they are wrong?

truckinslave -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 3:03:41 PM)
quote: passed a blood drug test. I'll bet you $20 he only passed a BAC.

Owner59 -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 3:09:09 PM)
Saying that w/o evidence? This is what we`re talking about.....not that you`re listening....

tazzygirl -> RE: Sober man stopped from DUI - Or DWB? (6/10/2013 3:37:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: passed a blood drug test. I'll bet you $20 he only passed a BAC. You lose. According the documents from the Surprise Police Department, the blood analysis showed no drugs were detected in Thornton's blood.

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