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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 4:57:38 PM   
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A yawn. If the killers had not made the jihadic statements they did, and instead satisfied themselves with the victim's wallet and cellphone. it would probably not made the national news in the UK.

An internal security matter.



Yawn all you like. All killings in the UK make the headlines.







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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:17:08 PM   
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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:23:47 PM   
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I wonder what a muslim appearance is


Will of late it is bloody hands, knives, hatchets, eating livers, and holding banners that say death to this or that...which were they?

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:33:06 PM   
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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:34:39 PM   
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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:36:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If this happened in the U.S. it would grab headlines. Machete deaths are not an unheard of thing in some parts of America but it usually goes down after dark and in poor neighborhoods where English is a second language so it doesn't grab much attention. In the middle of London, is a big a frigging deal. It's completely unexpected and something of a surprise.

I'm sure it is an anomaly and not the start of something new. It's like a school shooting. Horrific, attention grabbing, and incredibly rare. If it happens again within the next ten years I'd be surprised.

These were two sickos who had cloaked themselves in Islam and decided to go and kill a soldier they could get their hands on. Essentially mentally disturbed rejects that were bound to go off just as soon as they found a sufficient enough of a pretext, and in this case it was unfortunately Islam.

I don't know enough about English/British culture to comment further.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:39:30 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304

your thoughts on this terrible event

Introduce a bill immediately! We must ban knives and other sharp instruments because they can be used to kill people.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 5:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The killers/terrorists were previously interviewed by the UK Security about terrorism and now 2 other people have also been arrested (a man & a woman).. I wonder if there are more of them still out there..

The soldier was hit with a car first.. I suppose it is too much to hope he was unconscience from being hit by the car and didnt feel it while he was being hacked.. I cant imagine how his wife and family are coping with the horror of this..



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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 6:11:11 PM   
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Introduce a bill immediately! We must ban knives and other sharp instruments because they can be used to kill people.


C'mon... it's the UK, not the US.

My condolences to our UK posters on this tragic killing. I hear this was a veteran affairs man, to boot. Rest his soul.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 6:34:10 PM   
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Ain't it treason to murder a soldier of one's own country?

Isn't treason an act against the nation and/or its institutions rather than an individual? Murder is more horrendously personal than treason. Or is that just stating the obvious?

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 6:40:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the most disturbing to me is when I hear muslims in the UK interviewed, and while they say the right things, that the people who did this cloaked themselves in Islam wrongly, and so forth...but then turn around and basically in a sense justify what they did, saying "look at the Muslims being killed all over the world". If someone commits a horrible act, you don't justify it, and on top of that, what they are saying is just as stupid as the people who committed this. People in Afghanistan or Pakistan are not dying because they are Muslim, they generally are dying because either they are Islamic terrorists, responsible for terrorist attacks, or they are unfortunate victims of the attacks. They have a point about Iraq, but again it was political, not religious. And of course it leaves out that the allies went into Afghanistan because the Afghan government (and their allies in the Pakistani ISI) were protecting Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda leadership, who had committed an act of war. Either an act is barbarous and bad or it is not, but justifying one with another is basically supporting it in my opinion. That soldier didn't kill the people in Pakistan, he didn't decide the policy, if he even served there he did so under orders.

And these same people will talk about fear of backlash, of retaliation, and they can't see that the retaliation they fear (which is horrible) is if you use their argument is just as valid as the reasons the two jackoffs who hacked that soldier to death had; those going after the mosques argue that Muslims killed the soldier, the two 'jihadists' killed a soldier, claiming he was responsible for Aghanistan or whatever...

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 6:47:13 PM   
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Please, someone tell me that a man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA. Whatever the motive of the attackers.

From what i can tell no poster from the USA questioned the news-making potential of the event in the UK.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 7:11:09 PM   
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Please, someone tell me that a man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA. Whatever the motive of the attackers.



Well, yeah, Peon. Kind of a "duh" question. If it bleeds, it leads. This thing was top front of national/international section in my local daily. We got coverage of that crazy dude on the Canadian bus, too.

Now, unless innocent bystanders get killed, or we were to have something this gruesome, inner city drive-bys and gang killings don't get much coverage anymore. Local TV reporting was feeding the cycle of retaliation, and making the news was becoming a requirement to advance in the gang.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 7:27:16 PM   
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Please, someone tell me that a man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.

A man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 7:28:24 PM   
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My condolences to our UK posters on this tragic killing. I hear this was a veteran affairs man, to boot. Rest his soul.

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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 7:29:35 PM   
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Terrorists shot.


One of them had a pistol.


They dragged the victim into the middle of the road and waited to ambush the 1st police to arrive.


"After seeing the Mirror’s exclusive video, Former Det Ch Insp Peter Kirkham, an expert in firearms tactics, said last night: “I have never seen anything like this before, or even heard of it happening.

"For two suspects to carry out a brutal attack like this then stand around in plain sight waiting for the police is crazy.”

The dramatic climax to the horrific attack – in which dad of one Lee, from Manchester, was hacked to death – was filmed by a resident in a tower block overlooking the scene in ­Artillery Road, Woolwich.

The footage reveals how, after beheading the soldier, they set up their ambush bid to murder the first police officers to arrive.

For eight minutes before that, the suspects are seen talking to passers-by and three women who try to help the victim."



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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 11:10:38 PM   
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Please, someone tell me that a man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.

A man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.



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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 11:17:12 PM   
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Please, someone tell me that a man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.

A man being hacked to death with machetes in broad daylight in a busy street would make it to the headlines in the USA.


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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/23/2013 11:21:41 PM   
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Well, yeah, Peon. Kind of a "duh" question. If it bleeds, it leads. This thing was top front of national/international section in my local daily. We got coverage of that crazy dude on the Canadian bus, too.


YN's 'Yawn' comment gave me a little niggle of doubt, TH. Just a little one, mind.


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RE: serving soldier hacked to death on streets of london - 5/24/2013 12:10:05 AM   
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Ain't it treason to murder a soldier of one's own country?

Isn't treason an act against the nation and/or its institutions rather than an individual? Murder is more horrendously personal than treason. Or is that just stating the obvious?


It would depend on whether they were attacking him personally, or just going after the first soldier they saw. Either way, it's pretty gruesome.

My condolences to the soldier and his family. I don't know what else to say, this is just an awful situation.

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