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DomKen -> RE: So where do criminals and terrorists get their guns? (4/26/2013 2:52:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

I may be throwing gasoline on the fire here, but I have it on good authority(2 active duty LE officers and a recently retired member of the Army) that a number of weapons on the streets are coming in from overseas. There are over 100 million AKs in military drag on this planet, a huge number of them in Africa and Asia. You can buy them for $50-100 in some places.

Considering the vast amount of other items successfully smuggled into the States, what's to say that these weapons aren't flowing in the same way? I've tried looking for citations on this, but I imagine that to save face, the authorities probably won't be listing this as a source for illicit arms. Just something to think about tonight.

* Found a reasonable reliable source:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2007/08/congo_on_the_trgen.html

The ATF studied this most guns seem to be getting diverted out of the legal US market either by dealers, protected from most oversight by the NRA, or by straw purchasers.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html


I can agree with you on crooked dealers and straw purchasers, but the NRA has absolutely no "oversight" over Federal firearms activity. It's a social/political organization. It is not a government agency. Yes, I am a member, and for the life of me, I cannot figure out how it could possible assist in the transport/sale of weapons to anyone anywhere.

The ATF is a poorly managed agency that is responsible for one of the most fucked-up plans ever conceived by a government famous world-wide for screwball idea. Fast & Furious should be prosecuted in an international court, and you're talking to someone who does not like the UN. Granted, the operation was an outgrowth of 'Linebacker', which was similar in intent but not in scope, and we can blame Bush's administration for that little gem. But at least they had the brains to axe it before it become an embarrassment to the government.



The NRA has gotten numerous restrictions put on the ATF while spreading propoganda about them.

The ATF cannot verify a FFL dealers inventory against his submited background checks because the NRA got that inserted into a law.
The ATF cannot use computers to try and track a gun used in crimes to its point of sale because the NRA got that inserted into a law.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/25/AR2010102505823.html




FunCouple5280 -> RE: So where do criminals and terrorists get their guns? (4/26/2013 8:43:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

Yeah, fuck that line of asswipe, it don't square with fact. 

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You are probably the person that thinks they need to provide you more for less money. Yet will complain when they fuck up on hour 18 of a 24 hr shift. That is silly.


You may make strawdogs and I will laugh, but I do not suffer fools gladly.

If you are comprehensionally handicapped, or decide that you are qualified to impute motives to me, based on some clairvoyance you feel you have, hit the circus, it ain't what is happening here.
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Fun


You miss the distinction. I am not saying that there aren't medical mistakes and they aren't an issue. Even in your link, there is no assumption of criminality. Locking up 180,000 medical professional a year for 'potentially' (to quote your source) preventable medical mistakes is an assanine assertion. Should we focus on those, yes, should we jail, no.

One example given in your source is bedsores.....I would bet my own ass that has nothing to do with intent, just stupidity.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: So where do criminals and terrorists get their guns? (4/26/2013 3:35:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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We often hear the comment(from gun-nutters) that we shouldn`t pass any laws restricting guns because "the criminals" don`t obey the law yada yada....(probably the most horrible logic ever but this comes from them).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tv9BeOkRTc&feature=player_embedded


(I don't know of any "gun nutters" that don't fully agree with gun controls. I also don't know of any "gun nutters" that want theirs removed from their possession solely because some asshole did something stoooopit).



Please allow me to bring you up to speed.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfKF_GxqGY


You`ve heard of the NRA....yes?




Saw this a week ago or so.




Aswad -> RE: So where do criminals and terrorists get their guns? (4/26/2013 9:07:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

The person in front of you is denied the right to board the same plane you are about to board because he/she is on the FBI terror watch list.


Condensed it down to a known problem for you. Trim down the useless watch list and get some oversight in there.

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How is this right?


It isn't. That kind of restriction on air travel is totally unacceptable.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





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