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Nosathro -> Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 5:10:45 PM)
I know I am going to get from a lot of people here but I think this is what you get when you allow a guy to carry a gun around when they are not suppose to. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-reportedly-settle-wrongful-death-claim-20130405,0,7755890.story

Powergamz1 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 5:15:31 PM)
I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again.

erieangel -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 5:16:22 PM)
Good for them. I hope they got the million. And I hope they get multiple millions from Zimmerman after his conviction.

Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 5:54:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again. It depends on how the policy was written.

Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 7:28:12 PM)
[image]http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/460239_t607-550x366.jpg[/image] I wonder how much Sharpton's bill will be. K.

TheHeretic -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 7:50:35 PM)
Justice is a bloody lottery ticket? That's fucking disgusting. Why is this dead black kid worth so much more than a dead one in the hood?

TricklessMagic -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 7:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel Good for them. I hope they got the million. And I hope they get multiple millions from Zimmerman after his conviction. As a resident of Seminole County, in Florida, and well familiar with Sanford. If Zimmerman goes to trial, meaning his motion fails, it's a fifty-fifty toss up. The defense needs to get at least two white men older than forty on the jury and it's a hung jury. Even if the martins sue and win, Zimmerman can just file bankruptcy. If Zimmerman has any brains he'll do book and interview deals with an Irrevocable Trust to be paid and have the trust setup for bankruptcy protections. Spendthrift clauses, support clauses, etc. etc. etc.. Using trusts to protect property from bankruptcy is dicey and difficult to explain quickly.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 8:03:26 PM)
With the outrage over this case, it isn't likely to be a 50/50 toss up at all. After Zimmerman's criminal trial, when the Martins sue him personally, it will be a waste of time. He won't have any money (aka Casey Anthony). If he is found guilty (good chance), then he won't have any money or chance to make any, since he can't profit from his crime. If he is not sitting in a jail cell, I'm sure the Martins will file their civil complaint quickly and his irrevocable trust will be useless since he will obviously have set it up specifically to avoid paying on a civil suit.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 9:36:12 PM)
Prove it. I'd like to buy several after the fact. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again. It depends on how the policy was written.

TricklessMagic -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 10:06:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady With the outrage over this case, it isn't likely to be a 50/50 toss up at all. After Zimmerman's criminal trial, when the Martins sue him personally, it will be a waste of time. He won't have any money (aka Casey Anthony). If he is found guilty (good chance), then he won't have any money or chance to make any, since he can't profit from his crime. If he is not sitting in a jail cell, I'm sure the Martins will file their civil complaint quickly and his irrevocable trust will be useless since he will obviously have set it up specifically to avoid paying on a civil suit. I'm assuming your basing your view on New Jersey versus Florida. Even in Seminole County the Travon Martin shooting is mostly forgotten about. I don't know how people do things in your parts but using a gun lawfully in self-defense is allowed in Florida. I realize in New Jersey that's highly alien given your laws and culture. I've randomly polled folks and while most thing Zimmerman was an idiot, they can't say beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed murder, intended to commit murder, or unjustly killed Travon Martin. Most think Zimmerman picked a fight he couldn't win and when things went from fisticuffs to possible murder based on the facts available (witnesses and forensics, not hyperbole), many thing Zimmerman used the firearm lawfully to defend himself. Again get two white men over the age of forty, on top of any white women, hispanic males, hispanic women, you've got a solid go at reasonable doubt and acquittal. It's innocent till proven guilty. Not an arrest automatically makes you guilty. To address the trust. If the irrevocable trust is created by someone other than zimmerman, and zimmerman directs any payments to be made to the trust in exchange for his appearances and so forth, so long as the trust is properly setup as a support trust with proper spendthrift clause, and someone other than zimmerman is the beneficiary (like his wife), an attorney would have a real hard time attaching the corpus of the trust for collection. At best they might garnish a percentage of each disbursement from the trust, and that would be a small percentage. But again they'd have to win a civil suit, and attorneys like to take cases they are likely to get paid on. It's not just about winning, it's about getting paid and possible payment from Zimmerman isn't real attractive.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 10:09:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again. Bingo.

Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 10:57:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Prove it. I'd like to buy several after the fact. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again. It depends on how the policy was written. I have not seen the policy, nor know who the underwriter is. Having worked in the insurance industry policies are written in various ways. There are a lot of reasons why a settlement out of court is done. One is that the cost of a trial, civil courts can be expensive.

Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/5/2013 10:58:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I know I am going to get from a lot of people here but I think this is what you get when you allow a guy to carry a gun around when they are not suppose to. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-reportedly-settle-wrongful-death-claim-20130405,0,7755890.story All I can say is a few post here have not disappointed me, typical reaction.

SadistDave -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 12:35:36 AM)
First off, if I'm reading that link correctly it was the homeowners association that took out the policy in question. No one would insure a dead thug-wannabe, so the policy in question was probably some sort of corporate policy to protect the homeowners association from the money-grubbing Martin family. If the homeowners association was issued the policy before the lawsuit to profit from their dead son was filed by Mad Dog Martins family, then I don't know why the policy wouldn't be valid. Second, if Zimmerman is convicted, there will be nothing to get from him, but it will make it easier to win an uncollectable settlement based on a guilty verdict. If the jury decides Zimmerman is guilty it would make it harder, but it would still be easier to win a civil case than the criminal case. Who wins a case against Zimmerman in the case of a court victory? The gold-digging families lawyer, Crump. He'll just siphon off some of the money from this home owners association settlement and as a bonus he will have won a high profile case.. -SD-

Powergamz1 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 6:34:21 AM)
Don't change the subject and run away, prove the assertion you made. I want to walk into an insurance agency 3 weeks after my uninsured house burns down and buy a policy that will pay me a million dollars. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Prove it. I'd like to buy several after the fact. quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks after an event. But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again. It depends on how the policy was written. I have not seen the policy, nor know who the underwriter is. Having worked in the insurance industry policies are written in various ways. There are a lot of reasons why a settlement out of court is done. One is that the cost of a trial, civil courts can be expensive.

thishereboi -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 6:42:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel Good for them. I hope they got the million. And I hope they get multiple millions from Zimmerman after his conviction. They got the million from the home owners association. Which means the people who live in the neighborhood are going to have to pony up the money. They didn't get it from zimmy and from what I have heard probably never will. Well unless he hits the lottery and they make him give the family that. Now I am sure if something like this happened in your neighborhood, you would have no problems with paying more to cover the cost because you would feel totally responsible, right?

Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 6:58:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave First off, if I'm reading that link correctly it was the homeowners association that took out the policy in question. No one would insure a dead thug-wannabe, so the policy in question was probably some sort of corporate policy to protect the homeowners association from the money-grubbing Martin family. If the homeowners association was issued the policy before the lawsuit to profit from their dead son was filed by Mad Dog Martins family, then I don't know why the policy wouldn't be valid. Second, if Zimmerman is convicted, there will be nothing to get from him, but it will make it easier to win an uncollectable settlement based on a guilty verdict. If the jury decides Zimmerman is guilty it would make it harder, but it would still be easier to win a civil case than the criminal case. Who wins a case against Zimmerman in the case of a court victory? The gold-digging families lawyer, Crump. He'll just siphon off some of the money from this home owners association settlement and as a bonus he will have won a high profile case.. -SD- No doubt,dreaming about money is how you`d react if your own was killed...... I`m sure Travon`s family tho,would prefer to have their son back, over what money might be awarded them.

MstSebastian -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:09:27 AM)
Whenever I hear about any "wrongful death" suit, in which the plaintiffs are demanding any amount of money beyond, possibly, the costs associated with the funeral, I lose any and all respect for the family. I don't care about the circumcstances surrounding the death. If you, as a person, can put a price tag on your loved ones, and then demand that people pay you, you must not have a very high view on the value of life. So, to the Martins, I say this: It is sad that you thought so little of your son that you felt he, and his memory, could be sold off. (Yes, this is just my opinion. No, I don't expect it to be shared by others. Yes, I know I may get flamed for it. No, I don't care if I am.)

Raiikun -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:18:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic Again get two white men over the age of forty, on top of any white women, hispanic males, hispanic women, you've got a solid go at reasonable doubt and acquittal. It's innocent till proven guilty. Not an arrest automatically makes you guilty. Interesting thing about Seminole County...it's demographics is over 80% white, less than 10% black. It's quite possible the 6 person jury will be all white. That said, an acquittal is very, very probable. There simply is next to no case against him, and it's been getting worse for the state as more time passes and more comes out that now has even journalists start noticing this is the weakest case ever to become this high profile. The Defense is so confident of an acquittal, they're happy with a ruling on immunity to prosecution (meaning George can't be sued too) being done after the acquittal. But anyways, it was silly of the HOA to settle...they should have waited. With the lawyer for the Martins having more and more of his untruths brought to light and proven false, Crump's leverage to force a settlement continues to drop.

Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:26:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstSebastian Whenever I hear about any "wrongful death" suit, in which the plaintiffs are demanding any amount of money beyond, possibly, the costs associated with the funeral, I lose any and all respect for the family. I don't care about the circumcstances surrounding the death. If you, as a person, can put a price tag on your loved ones, and then demand that people pay you, you must not have a very high view on the value of life. So, to the Martins, I say this: It is sad that you thought so little of your son that you felt he, and his memory, could be sold off. (Yes, this is just my opinion. No, I don't expect it to be shared by others. Yes, I know I may get flamed for it. No, I don't care if I am.) You`re projecting (doing/thinking as you would, in the same predicament). You have no idea what`s going on in their heads/hearts and hopefully never will have too. And you`re lying when you claim you wouldn`d sue the bastards for as much as you could get,if your loved family member was killed, because of someone else`s negligence.

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