RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


MstSebastian -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:30:31 AM)

Projecting? Possibly. But, I also made it clear that it was my opinion based on what I feel.

Lying? That's an awfully big claim for you to make, especially given that you know nothing about me, and have zero clue as to how I would act in a situation. So, now who is projecting?




Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:32:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raiikun


quote:

ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


Again get two white men over the age of forty, on top of any white women, hispanic males, hispanic women, you've got a solid go at reasonable doubt and acquittal. It's innocent till proven guilty. Not an arrest automatically makes you guilty.



Interesting thing about Seminole County...it's demographics is over 80% white, less than 10% black.

It's quite possible the 6 person jury will be all white.

That said, an acquittal is very, very probable. There simply is next to no case against him, and it's been getting worse for the state as more time passes and more comes out that now has even journalists start noticing this is the weakest case ever to become this high profile.

The Defense is so confident of an acquittal, they're happy with a ruling on immunity to prosecution (meaning George can't be sued too) being done after the acquittal.

But anyways, it was silly of the HOA to settle...they should have waited. With the lawyer for the Martins having more and more of his untruths brought to light and proven false, Crump's leverage to force a settlement continues to drop.


Funny how everything you say/claim, always falls one way,towards George(in life,nothing always falls only one way) but never comes true....


The HOA settled b/c it was in their best interest to do so......which only points to bad news for your poor George....




Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:35:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstSebastian

Projecting? Possibly. But, I also made it clear that it was my opinion based on what I feel.

Lying? That's an awfully big claim for you to make, especially given that you know nothing about me, and have zero clue as to how I would act in a situation. So, now who is projecting?



" know nothing about","and have zero clue".....

Consider this while you`re passing judgment on folks who have buried a child.







MstSebastian -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:41:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstSebastian

Projecting? Possibly. But, I also made it clear that it was my opinion based on what I feel.

Lying? That's an awfully big claim for you to make, especially given that you know nothing about me, and have zero clue as to how I would act in a situation. So, now who is projecting?



" know nothing about","and have zero clue".....

Consider this while you`re passing judgment on folks who have buried a child.


I've been around far too many people who have buried a child, some due to the negligence of others. But, none of them ever thought that money was a way to make things better.

So, yes, I will continue to pass judgment on people who sue for wrongful death and try to profit from it. To me, it strikes as crass, cold, and simply a way to profit from the loss of someone they loved. I'm sorry, but no person in my life is worth so little to me as to be able to put a dollar amount on their lives. If others feel differently, that's fine. They can act as they see fit, but it won't stop me from looking down on them.

Go ahead, call me a liar if you like. Look down on me for my feelings as well, that's fine. It won't change how I feel, nor will it stop me from voicing my opinions.




Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:47:58 AM)

Ohh...woe is you....[8|]




tj444 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:48:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

I know I am going to get from a lot of people here but I think this is what you get when you allow a guy to carry a gun around when they are not suppose to.

The HOA was dumb, dumb, dumb.. first.. HOA stands for Home Owner Association.. Zimmy was just a tenant.. why in the world the owners would allow a tenant into their business is beyond stupid.. a tenant simply does not have skin in the game or any responsibility.. they tried to save a few bucks by letting nutbar Zimmy run rampant, with a gun no less,.. instead of hiring a professional and considerably more legally liable security company.. I doubt the kid would be dead if he had been approached by a trained security guard in a recognizable security uniform..

Seriously, was there any question that the HOA was gonna get sued??? They needed to learn a lesson, and they needed to be a warning to other chintzy HOAs that wanna cut corners to save a few bucks.. To me, its not about the money.. its about showing HOAs what can happen if they do the same or similar thing..

JMO




erieangel -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 7:58:03 AM)

Have you even considered that the family didn't decide the how much they were going sue for, but the attorney did? It's usually the attorneys who talk people into these sort of things.

Also anybody who is a beneficiary of a life insurance policy and then fights with the underwriter for the payout is putting a dollar value on the dead person's life. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about...




Owner59 -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 8:08:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Have you even considered that the family didn't decide the how much they were going sue for, but the attorney did? It's usually the attorneys who talk people into these sort of things.

Also anybody who is a beneficiary of a life insurance policy and then fights with the underwriter for the payout is putting a dollar value on the dead person's life. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about...




It`s usually all parties coming to a number,after weighing all the factors and facts.


The HOA is culpable(if I have it correct) because the OKed mr. captain hero to volunteer to "protect"(read:lie in wait with a pistol)on the property.







Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 10:14:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Don't change the subject and run away, prove the assertion you made.

I want to walk into an insurance agency 3 weeks after my uninsured house burns down and buy a policy that will pay me a million dollars.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Prove it. I'd like to buy several after the fact.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I find it hard to believe that any insurance company would pay out on a $1 million policy that was taken out weeks *after* an event.

But nice try at dragging up that topic yet again.


It depends on how the policy was written.



I have not seen the policy, nor know who the underwriter is. Having worked in the insurance industry policies are written in various ways. There are a lot of reasons why a settlement out of court is done. One is that the cost of a trial, civil courts can be expensive.




I am not walking away I am trying to answer your question. You may want to read this article that appeared in the New York Times. Please note this in not my work, I had nothing to do with it, I did not write it, I was never employed by The New York Times, I am not even the guy in the picture. I hope this disclaimer is enough for a few of you.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/business/08law.html?_r=0




Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 10:26:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

the OKed mr. captain hero to volunteer to "protect"(read:lie in wait with a pistol)on the property.

No, no, they're talking about an incident that happened here on Earth.

K.




Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 10:31:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


[image]http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/460239_t607-550x366.jpg[/image]

I wonder how much Sharpton's bill will be.

K.



Gee Blacks making money off of whites, just terrible... (my words)

Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (His words words)

Slavery is fundamentally an economic phenomenon. Throughout history, slavery has existed where it has been economically worthwhile to those in power. The principal example in modern times is the U.S. South. Nearly 4 million slaves with a market value of close to $4 billion lived in the U.S. just before the Civil War. Masters enjoyed rates of return on slaves comparable to those on other assets; cotton consumers, insurance companies, and industrial enterprises benefited from slavery as well. Such valuable property required rules to protect it, and the institutional practices surrounding slavery display a sophistication that rivals modern-day law and business




Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 10:56:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Gee Blacks making money off of whites, just terrible... (my words)

I think this would be more a case of blacks making money off of blacks. But since you want to play the slavery card...

Free black slaveowners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slaveowners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane. The majority of black masters had not been slaves themselves. Yet, the ranks of black slave masters were diverse: some acquired slaves as soon as they had accumulated enough capital after their own freedom, others received slaves with their own freedom from their white masters, and others had been free for several generations...

The majority of urban black slaveowners were women. In 1820, free black women represented 68 percent of heads of households and 70 percent of slaveholding heads of colored households. The large percentage of black women slaveowners is explained by the combined effects of manumission (by their white masters for whom they fathered children), inheritance (from their white masters, relatives, and even husbands who had a higher mortality rate than women), and personal industry once they were free.
~Source

References:

Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860
NYC's African Slaveowners: A Social & Material Hist. (Studies in African American History and Culture)

K.




Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 11:07:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (His words words)

Slavery is fundamentally an economic phenomenon. Throughout history, slavery has existed where it has been economically worthwhile to those in power. The principal example in modern times is the U.S. South.

This, too, is bullshit.

In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved.[53][62] In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of enslaved people.[53] In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon, the Igbo and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of enslaved people.[53]

The population of the Kanem (1600–1800) was about a third-enslaved. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1580–1890). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani War states consisted of slaves.[53] In Algiers, the capital of Algeria in Northern Africa, Christians and Europeans that were captured had been forced into slavery. This eventually led to the Bombardment of Algiers in 1816.[67][68]

The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Fulanis and Hausas in northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-slave in the 19th century. Between 65% to 90% population of Arab-Swahili Zanzibar was enslaved.[53] The Swahili-Arab slave trade reached its height about 150 years ago, when, for example, approximately 20,000 slaves were considered to be carried yearly from Nkhotakota on Lake Malawi to Kilwa.[69] Roughly half the population of Madagascar was enslaved.[53][70]


Source

K.




Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 11:34:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Gee Blacks making money off of whites, just terrible... (my words)

I think this would be more a case of blacks making money off of blacks. But since you want to play the slavery card...

Free black slaveowners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slaveowners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane. The majority of black masters had not been slaves themselves. Yet, the ranks of black slave masters were diverse: some acquired slaves as soon as they had accumulated enough capital after their own freedom, others received slaves with their own freedom from their white masters, and others had been free for several generations...

The majority of urban black slaveowners were women. In 1820, free black women represented 68 percent of heads of households and 70 percent of slaveholding heads of colored households. The large percentage of black women slaveowners is explained by the combined effects of manumission (by their white masters for whom they fathered children), inheritance (from their white masters, relatives, and even husbands who had a higher mortality rate than women), and personal industry once they were free.
~Source

References:

Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860
NYC's African Slaveowners: A Social & Material Hist. (Studies in African American History and Culture)

K.



My are we uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from Blacks we have change the subject?




Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 11:46:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

My are we uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from Blacks we have change the subject?

No, no, not that. Something else entirely. I'll give you a hint. See if you can figure it out.

[image]local://upfiles/235229/A48E0D85C4AC4E33ADB6D54A3AC46C76.jpg[/image]

K.




Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 11:47:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (His words words)

Slavery is fundamentally an economic phenomenon. Throughout history, slavery has existed where it has been economically worthwhile to those in power. The principal example in modern times is the U.S. South.

This, too, is bullshit.




Oh I don't know, Jenny B Wahl is a noted author mostly in Law and Economics and Carleton College is ranked as one of the best colleges. Just because you can't deal with it does not make in bullshit.




Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 11:54:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

My are we uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from Blacks we have change the subject?

No, no, not that. Something else entirely. I'll give you a hint. See if you can figure it out.

[image]local://upfiles/235229/A48E0D85C4AC4E33ADB6D54A3AC46C76.jpg[/image]

K.



Your still not on topic but if you like pictures here is one just for you



[image]local://upfiles/175252/8C40502B567C48AC881EFDE7408012CF.gif[/image]




kajirus2Kathyism -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 12:43:29 PM)

.




Kirata -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 12:47:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Just because you can't deal with it does not make in bullshit.

I think the article's citations can stand up to Jenny. Brittanica and the University of Chicage, just for starters, aren't backwater slackers.
    [53] Encyclopedia Brittanica
    [67] Baepler, B. "White Slaves, African Masters 1st Edition." White Slaves, African Masters 1st Edition by Baepler. University of Chicago Press
    [68] "History - British History in depth: British Slaves on the Barbary Coast". BBC.
    [69] "Malawi Slave Routes and Dr. David Livingstone Trail". UNESCO
    [70] Steven Mintz. "Digital History Slavery Fact Sheets"
Here's another tidbit for your educational benefit. Most of the black slaves who were brought to the Americas would have been slaves no matter where they ended up. They were slaves to start with. And it was overwhelmingly the Spanish, not Northern European Americans, who were engaged in the trade.
    Myth: Europeans physically enslaved Africans or hired mercenaries who captured people for export or that African rulers were "Holocaust abettors" who were themselves to blame for the slave trade.
    Fact: Europeans did engage in some slave raiding; the majority of people who were transported to the Americas were enslaved by Africans in Africa.

    Myth: Most slaves were imported into what is now the United States
    Fact: Well over 90 percent of slaves from Africa were imported into the Caribbean and South America

    Source: University of Houston Digital History Project
Nor are blacks the only people with a history of slavery to grouse about. White European Caucasians have a long history of being enslaved, continuing right on up to the 19th Century when they were fighting the War Between the States that freed the slaves in America.

Medieval Spain and Portugal were the scene of almost constant Muslim invasion of the predominantly Christian area. Periodic raiding expeditions were sent from Al-Andalus to ravage the Iberian Christian kingdoms, bringing back booty and slaves. In raid against Lisbon, Portugal in 1189, for example, the Almohad caliph Yaqub al-Mansur took 3,000 female and child captives, while his governor of Córdoba, in a subsequent attack upon Silves, Portugal in 1191, took 3,000 Christian slaves.[32] From the 11th to the 19th century, North African Barbary Pirates engaged in Razzias, raids on European coastal towns, to capture Christian slaves to sell at slave markets in places such as Algeria and Morocco.[33][34]

The Byzantine-Ottoman wars and the Ottoman wars in Europe brought large numbers of slaves into the Islamic world.[42] From the mid to late 14th, through early 18th centuries, the Ottoman devsirme-janissary system enslaved and forcibly converted to Islam an estimated 500,000 to one million non-Muslim (primarily Balkan Christian) adolescent males.[43] ...Eastern Europe suffered a series of Tatar invasions, the goal of which was to loot and capture slaves into jasyr. Seventy-five Crimean Tatar raids were recorded into Poland-Lithuania between 1474 and 1569.[45] There were more than 100,000 Russian captives in the Kazan Khanate alone in 1551.[46]


Now frankly, I don't know why you decided to go for "white guilt" by playing the slavery card. No good reason, I warrant. But when you suffer these compulsions to post ignorant and irrelevant bullshit, count on being called on it.

Have a nice day.

K.




Nosathro -> RE: Some Justice for a family that lost a son (4/6/2013 12:55:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Just because you can't deal with it does not make in bullshit.

I think the article's citation's can stand up to Jenny. Brittanica and the University of Chicage, just for starters, aren't backwater slackers.
    [53] Encyclopedia Brittanica
    [67] Baepler, B. "White Slaves, African Masters 1st Edition." White Slaves, African Masters 1st Edition by Baepler. University of Chicago Press
    [68] "History - British History in depth: British Slaves on the Barbary Coast". BBC.
    [69] "Malawi Slave Routes and Dr. David Livingstone Trail". UNESCO
    [70] Steven Mintz. "Digital History Slavery Fact Sheets"
Here's another tidbit for your educational benefit. Most of the black slaves who were brought to the Americas would have been slaves no matter where they ended up. They were slaves to start with. And it was overwhelmingly the Spanish, not Northern European Americans, who were engaged in the trade.
    Myth: Europeans physically enslaved Africans or hired mercenaries who captured people for export or that African rulers were "Holocaust abettors" who were themselves to blame for the slave trade.
    Fact: Europeans did engage in some slave raiding; the majority of people who were transported to the Americas were enslaved by Africans in Africa.

    Myth: Most slaves were imported into what is now the United States
    Fact: Well over 90 percent of slaves from Africa were imported into the Caribbean and South America

    Source: University of Houston Digital History Project
Nor are blacks the only people with a history of slavery to grouse about. White European Caucasians have a long history of being enslaved, continuing right on up to the 19th Century when here in America they were fighting the War Between the States that freed black slaves.

Medieval Spain and Portugal were the scene of almost constant Muslim invasion of the predominantly Christian area. Periodic raiding expeditions were sent from Al-Andalus to ravage the Iberian Christian kingdoms, bringing back booty and slaves. In raid against Lisbon, Portugal in 1189, for example, the Almohad caliph Yaqub al-Mansur took 3,000 female and child captives, while his governor of Córdoba, in a subsequent attack upon Silves, Portugal in 1191, took 3,000 Christian slaves.[32] From the 11th to the 19th century, North African Barbary Pirates engaged in Razzias, raids on European coastal towns, to capture Christian slaves to sell at slave markets in places such as Algeria and Morocco.[33][34]

The Byzantine-Ottoman wars and the Ottoman wars in Europe brought large numbers of slaves into the Islamic world.[42] From the mid to late 14th, through early 18th centuries, the Ottoman devsirme-janissary system enslaved and forcibly converted to Islam an estimated 500,000 to one million non-Muslim (primarily Balkan Christian) adolescent males.[43] ...Eastern Europe suffered a series of Tatar invasions, the goal of which was to loot and capture slaves into jasyr. Seventy-five Crimean Tatar raids were recorded into Poland-Lithuania between 1474 and 1569.[45] There were more than 100,000 Russian captives in the Kazan Khanate alone in 1551.[46]


Now frankly, I don't know why you decided to go for "white guilt" by playing the slavery card. No good reason, I warrant. But when you feel compelled to post ignorant and irrelevant bullshit, I recommend you get used to being called on it.

Have a nice day.

K.



It is still Blacks, some 500,000 plus, enslaved in America no matter what you say or try to change the subject.




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875