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kalikshama -> Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 9:46:32 AM)
Yesterday a guilty verdict was handed down in the Steubenville rape case, where a 16-year-old girl was raped repeatedly by boys on a high school football team. The verdict was the beginning of justice for this brave young girl, but CNN's coverage was awful. The entire CNN panel, including Candy Crowley, reporter Poppy Harlow and legal analyst Paul Callan focused on what a tragedy this was for the boys and what a shame it was that their lives had been ruined--as if the rape was some sort of unfortunate accident and they hadn't committed a very serious, very invasive and very life-altering for the survivor, crime. CNN didn't focus on what this verdict meant for Jane Doe--only sad reflections on the "destroyed" lives of these boys--boys who were caught on tape raping a girl. This is wrong and CNN owes us all an apology. Can you add your name to the petition? Tell CNN: "Your Steubenville verdict coverage was terrible and offensive. These boys committed a very serious crime, and they were held accountable. The verdict that the judge handed down was justice--not a "tragedy." The tragedy was the rape. Please apologize and make this right." Click here to sign the petition. (Related to this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4404208/tm.htm )

LadyPact -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 3:45:26 PM)
Yep, this one, I actually signed.

LPslittleclip -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 3:49:40 PM)
yes i agree cnn should apologize

JeffBC -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 4:23:38 PM)
I googled up the CNN story and I would have signed the petition. The group fronting it makes me ill inclined to participate but I've taken a note to send CNN my own correspondence with my thoughts on the topic. My initial inclination was for stronger measures against CNN but having looked at the story I think an apology suffices. In the bigger picture I worry that the actual outcome here provided neither retribution or positive outcome. It's not how I would have wished it to have come down. If we were going for retribution I'd be looking for much, much larger sentences for this crime. If we were looking to maximize societal benefit I'd be looking for slightly harsher sentences sans the lifelong stigma. All in all I think the community is much more guilty than the individual participants. This sort of crap will not change in Stuebenville simply because these two kids got their life ruined. As long as the adults in the community find raping teenagers acceptable it will go on.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 5:29:01 PM)
wonder how cnn will try to justify tha panel taking that stance?

kalikshama -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 5:54:03 PM)
quote: I googled up the CNN story and I would have signed the petition. The group fronting it makes me ill inclined to participate but I've taken a note to send CNN my own correspondence with my thoughts on the topic. This one any better for you? http://www.change.org/petitions/cnn-apologize-for-your-disgusting-coverage-of-the-steubenville-rapists

TheHeretic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 6:04:18 PM)
FR Ya'll are just now noticing what a shit network CNN is??? Really?

Owner59 -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 7:30:40 PM)
Just try`n to appeal to and steal fox viewers...is`all..... Doesnt taken a brain surgeon to figure that out....or that it`ll make the Clinton News Network, some more money.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 8:05:32 PM)
This is the same industry that went to court to be allowed to publish the identities of rape victims.... Does anyone seriously think that one outlet is going to care about a petition? Sign it by all means to esxpress your feelings, but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath after.

njlauren -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 8:05:53 PM)
I guess they decided to out Fox Fox, I would expect that kind of attitude from Fox News, given that it is the house organ for the GOP, whose modern mantra seems to be that rape isn't such a horrible thing, or worse, that there is 'real' rape and 'non real rape', or the not small part of the party that considers rape to be the fault of women 'seducing' men sigh. I have heard people say that it was the girl's fault, that she was the one who decided to get drunk, go to the party, hang out with football players, and I can't believe that people are stupid enough to say that. Yes, she made stupid mistakes, there is no doubt, but like I told one fathead trying that line, what teen doesn't? If some teenage kids from the burbs decide to go driving around some crappy area of a city, like Watts or the South Side of Chicago and end up mugged or hurt, you would bet they would be out for blood for the 'animals' that did this......but this? These were good boys who were tempted or something...gag. There are a lot of guilty parties here, somehow the parents of those boys never taught them about respecting or honoring fellow human beings (the fact that they didn't try penetrative sex actually makes it worse in my mind, doing what they did was designed to humiliate the poor girl). The attitude of many that this is just 'boys will be boys', the girls who lied to cover this up, the coach who apparently tried to cover it up, the people in the town who blame the girl and put death threats against here, or who get all sanctimonious about the boys being railroaded, all need to really look in the mirror. And maybe it is about time we also start looking at sports and stop putting it on a pedestal and realizing that when you make some above the law, all suffer. I also have heard all this crap blaming modern society, social media, porn, you name it, how this wouldn't have happened "back then", but that is baloney. Back then it would have been swept under the rug, the coach, the parents, the cops, would all sweep it under the rug, and the girl would be shamed into keeping quiet, especially if she had been drunk, her own parents very likely would tell her in effect she deserved it..the only difference is today it is very hard to cover it up. I would bet pretty good money that if the video didn't exist, the pictures, that the local cops would be more then willing to hush it up, but the cat got out of the bag. I talked to my own son about this incident, and I told him that I would be a lot more angry if he was one of the people who saw this happening and did nothing then the kids who actually did it, that we are put on this earth, in part, to try and protect those who cannot defend themselves. I would like to think my son would, I have seen him do that when someone gets out of line (albeit not with something like this), and we should teach all our kids to act in cases like this. I think there are something like 16 kids who refused to talk to cops, hopefully they will face some sort of penalties, I hear they are putting together a grand jury to see if anyone else is culpable. First person to go should be the football coach, he sounds like a really stupid sack of shit if what I hear is true.

Lucylastic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 8:28:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren I guess they decided to out Fox Fox, I would expect that kind of attitude from Fox News, given that it is the house organ for the GOP, whose modern mantra seems to be that rape isn't such a horrible thing, or worse, that there is 'real' rape and 'non real rape', or the not small part of the party that considers rape to be the fault of women 'seducing' men sigh. I have heard people say that it was the girl's fault, that she was the one who decided to get drunk, go to the party, hang out with football players, and I can't believe that people are stupid enough to say that. Yes, she made stupid mistakes, there is no doubt, but like I told one fathead trying that line, what teen doesn't? If some teenage kids from the burbs decide to go driving around some crappy area of a city, like Watts or the South Side of Chicago and end up mugged or hurt, you would bet they would be out for blood for the 'animals' that did this......but this? These were good boys who were tempted or something...gag. There are a lot of guilty parties here, somehow the parents of those boys never taught them about respecting or honoring fellow human beings (the fact that they didn't try penetrative sex actually makes it worse in my mind, doing what they did was designed to humiliate the poor girl). The attitude of many that this is just 'boys will be boys', the girls who lied to cover this up, the coach who apparently tried to cover it up, the people in the town who blame the girl and put death threats against here, or who get all sanctimonious about the boys being railroaded, all need to really look in the mirror. And maybe it is about time we also start looking at sports and stop putting it on a pedestal and realizing that when you make some above the law, all suffer. I also have heard all this crap blaming modern society, social media, porn, you name it, how this wouldn't have happened "back then", but that is baloney. Back then it would have been swept under the rug, the coach, the parents, the cops, would all sweep it under the rug, and the girl would be shamed into keeping quiet, especially if she had been drunk, her own parents very likely would tell her in effect she deserved it..the only difference is today it is very hard to cover it up. I would bet pretty good money that if the video didn't exist, the pictures, that the local cops would be more then willing to hush it up, but the cat got out of the bag. I talked to my own son about this incident, and I told him that I would be a lot more angry if he was one of the people who saw this happening and did nothing then the kids who actually did it, that we are put on this earth, in part, to try and protect those who cannot defend themselves. I would like to think my son would, I have seen him do that when someone gets out of line (albeit not with something like this), and we should teach all our kids to act in cases like this. I think there are something like 16 kids who refused to talk to cops, hopefully they will face some sort of penalties, I hear they are putting together a grand jury to see if anyone else is culpable. First person to go should be the football coach, he sounds like a really stupid sack of shit if what I hear is true. Most excellent post!!!!

TheHeretic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 9:31:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Most excellent post!!!! Sure thing, Lucy. Bleat, "Fox baa-aaad," then have a nice little politically correct rant that ignores the meat of the thing. What more could a post require? I haven't caught a bit of the coverage on this story, and have every intention of it staying that way. Every so often, as with the pool table chick in CA a while back, something that happens all the fucking time gets caught on camera, and there is a little tempest on the idiot box, and Nancy Grace and Anderson Cooper shovel sand into their panties, and bunch them up. Maybe the market researchers told CNN there were more parents afraid of this happening to their sons, than to their daughters?

Owner59 -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 9:33:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren I guess they decided to out Fox Fox, I would expect that kind of attitude from Fox News, given that it is the house organ for the GOP, whose modern mantra seems to be that rape isn't such a horrible thing, or worse, that there is 'real' rape and 'non real rape', or the not small part of the party that considers rape to be the fault of women 'seducing' men sigh. I have heard people say that it was the girl's fault, that she was the one who decided to get drunk, go to the party, hang out with football players, and I can't believe that people are stupid enough to say that. Yes, she made stupid mistakes, there is no doubt, but like I told one fathead trying that line, what teen doesn't? If some teenage kids from the burbs decide to go driving around some crappy area of a city, like Watts or the South Side of Chicago and end up mugged or hurt, you would bet they would be out for blood for the 'animals' that did this......but this? These were good boys who were tempted or something...gag. There are a lot of guilty parties here, somehow the parents of those boys never taught them about respecting or honoring fellow human beings (the fact that they didn't try penetrative sex actually makes it worse in my mind, doing what they did was designed to humiliate the poor girl). The attitude of many that this is just 'boys will be boys', the girls who lied to cover this up, the coach who apparently tried to cover it up, the people in the town who blame the girl and put death threats against here, or who get all sanctimonious about the boys being railroaded, all need to really look in the mirror. And maybe it is about time we also start looking at sports and stop putting it on a pedestal and realizing that when you make some above the law, all suffer. I also have heard all this crap blaming modern society, social media, porn, you name it, how this wouldn't have happened "back then", but that is baloney. Back then it would have been swept under the rug, the coach, the parents, the cops, would all sweep it under the rug, and the girl would be shamed into keeping quiet, especially if she had been drunk, her own parents very likely would tell her in effect she deserved it..the only difference is today it is very hard to cover it up. I would bet pretty good money that if the video didn't exist, the pictures, that the local cops would be more then willing to hush it up, but the cat got out of the bag. I talked to my own son about this incident, and I told him that I would be a lot more angry if he was one of the people who saw this happening and did nothing then the kids who actually did it, that we are put on this earth, in part, to try and protect those who cannot defend themselves. I would like to think my son would, I have seen him do that when someone gets out of line (albeit not with something like this), and we should teach all our kids to act in cases like this. I think there are something like 16 kids who refused to talk to cops, hopefully they will face some sort of penalties, I hear they are putting together a grand jury to see if anyone else is culpable. First person to go should be the football coach, he sounds like a really stupid sack of shit if what I hear is true. Most excellent post!!!! Ditto.... I like our new member.

Lucylastic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 9:35:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Most excellent post!!!! Sure thing, Lucy. Bleat, "Fox baa-aaad," then have a nice little politically correct rant that ignores the meat of the thing. What more could a post require? I haven't caught a bit of the coverage on this story, and have every intention of it staying that way. Every so often, as with the pool table chick in CA a while back, something that happens all the fucking time gets caught on camera, and there is a little tempest on the idiot box, and Nancy Grace and Anderson Cooper shovel sand into their panties, and bunch them up. Maybe the market researchers told CNN there were more parents afraid of this happening to their sons, than to their daughters? oh Rich, stop trying to make me out to be saying what you just want me to be saying and cant.... Laurens post is what I was talking about, dont make this post about me sweetie. keep on trolling. Ive seen the coaches and the vids, and twitters, I dont think anyone got what they deserved, specially not the girl in question. As far as you bleating about CNN vs Fox, go pound sand.

Owner59 -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 9:41:30 PM)
FR" Hey,someone has to be the ass holes....right? Isn`t half the fun of being a conservative, saying/doing really awful things to get a rise? "Maybe the market researchers told CNN there were more parents afraid of this happening to their sons, than to their daughters?" Great depraved post there, rich...[;)] Keep up the good work.[:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 10:12:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic CNN vs Fox, No. I'm saying they are peas in a pod, Lucy. I'll defend Fox's right to exist and broadcast freely, right along with MSNBC, Al-Jazeera and even CBS, but I don't watch their crap, any more than I do the one that gushes over people liberals like, or the one where they can't get the President's balls out of their mouths. This stuff is what they do. I say, get your news from everywhere. Multiple sources. Read the NYT story all the way to the end. Stay cynical. To all those noticing CNN for the first time, "good morning."

Owner59 -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/18/2013 10:13:42 PM)
Bitter bitter.....[:D]

Lucylastic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/19/2013 4:22:26 AM)
Rich, I get my news from more sources than just US ones... however, ...In an act of serious journalistic negligence, Fox News this morning ran tape of the Steubenville rape trial in which one of the rapists named the victim. Typically in sexual assault cases, the major news media’s policy is not to name a victim. This is doubly true in the Steubenville case, where the victim is also a minor. But Fox News, in what seems to be an editing mistake, ran a clip from the court room where Mays said the victim’s name: I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community. No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken. Out of respect for the victim, ThinkProgress will not publish the name, or the video. In an earlier piece on Fox’s news website, the organization did manage to censor out the names of the two rapists, Trent Mays and Ma’lik Richmond. Their names, however, have been published by news outlets because the boys’ lawyers have openly identified them in court. The victim’s has not, until this point. Media have clearly struggled with how to represent the case, and earlier coverage from Fox actually bucked a trend of victim-blaming that was prevalent in other news outlets. Still, the negligence in failing to redact the girl’s name is a serious journalistic failure. Fox News did not immediately return a request for comment. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/18/1736351/fox-news-steubenville/ sems like eveeryone is stsomping on their dicks on this one.... maybe they didnt like to be out of the news for a day.... oh and MSNBC is also being questioned about its opinion based "stories, just to give you grist for their mill, ANd my name is on both CNN petitions.. I wonder if this will even get a blip

tazzygirl -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/19/2013 4:30:20 AM)
quote: however, ...In an act of serious journalistic negligence, Fox News this morning ran tape of the Steubenville rape trial in which one of the rapists named the victim. Wasnt just on Fox. MAR 18, 2013 You can blame CNN all you want for its reporters feeling sorry for the now convicted rapists in the ongoing case in Steubenville, Ohio, but MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN all just outed a 16-year-rape victim to millions. Seeking to report on an emotional case for all that it's worth, apparently, all three networks ran this unedited clip from the courtroom video feed, in which one of the defendants responds to Sunday's verdict by apologizing to the Jane Doe victim by name: The Huffington Post reports that the name has been aired since, without a bleep or an audio cutout, on all three major cable networks: "CNN and MSNBC's broadcasts on Sunday and Fox News' broadcast on Monday. Local CBS affiliate WTRF also aired the clip without editing the victim's name out." http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/steubenville-victim-name-tv/63245/ As I posted on the other thread, CNN isnt the only one who journalistically raped this girl. I hope a lawsuit comes from this. Frankly, its time someone kept these types of broadcasts for media sensationalism from rushing to be the first to report. A 10 second delay would have been enough to bleep out her name.

Lucylastic -> RE: Shame on CNN: Apologize for Steubenville coverage. (3/19/2013 4:34:42 AM)
assholes, all of them.. but the damage is done now, I dont see them getting anything over this...that poor kid.

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