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FatDomDaddy -> Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 7:49:56 AM)
In other words, The President is lying Bob Woodward, Obama’s sequester deal-changer

mnottertail -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 7:52:55 AM)
In other words, the teabaggers are inept and useless, and borrowing and spending. Thats what the situation really is.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 8:07:47 AM)
What "teabagger's" would these be?

jlf1961 -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 8:11:13 AM)
Look the problem is with Republicans, Democrats, Tea party extremists, libertarians, independents and every other group represented in DC. Once you are elected to an office in DC, the word compromise is removed from your brain and replaced with bullshit.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 8:52:57 AM)
The thing about a Representative Democracy is that once elected, you have to answer to constituents. When the voters do not agree with your stance or compromises, they have a strange tendency to wither vote you out or work really really hard to get reelected. The greatest failures in US Legislature History are almost always compromises.

mnottertail -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 8:58:01 AM)
As are the greatest successes.

jlf1961 -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 8:59:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy The thing about a Representative Democracy is that once elected, you have to answer to constituents. When the voters do not agree with your stance or compromises, they have a strange tendency to wither vote you out or work really really hard to get reelected. The greatest failures in US Legislature History are almost always compromises. I have yet to see anyone in congress actually represent anyone but whatever lobby pays them the most to do what the lobby wants, then they go back and justify it to their constituents. I mean wanting to fund things that the defense department doesnt want is kind dumb, dont you think?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 9:01:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy What "teabagger's" would these be? Apparently, those would be the President and White House. The automatic sequestration that is to take place in March is $85B for 2013. According to the President's budget proposals, the 2013 deficit is estimated at $900B, so the "meat cleaver" cuts are near $10% of the deficit. Obama's $3.8T spending estimation makes those mandatory cuts out to be about 2.2% of spending. And, for all the bluster, that $85B in automatic cuts includes $54.6B from defense spending. That total is a reduction from what was supposed to be with the deal cut in January. The non-defense spending was supposed to be cut by $54.3B originally. The $24B in automatic spending cuts that was reduced included a whopping $0.1B reduction from defense spending cuts. The $24B reduction is a mixture of revenue increases and spending cuts, $12B each. So, in the "compromise" to kick the can down the road for 2 months, we traded $109B in spending cuts for $12B in spending cuts, $12B in revenue increases (tax increases) and $85B in automatic cuts which really only reduced the amounts to be cut from the areas that are supported more by Democrats. That means, no compromise, really.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 9:38:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy The thing about a Representative Democracy is that once elected, you have to answer to constituents. When the voters do not agree with your stance or compromises, they have a strange tendency to wither vote you out or work really really hard to get reelected. The greatest failures in US Legislature History are almost always compromises. This is true...... Did you notice this President was actually re-elected ? Were you aware that one of the core principals of his campaign was a determination to raise the rates of the higher tax brackets ? As for sequestration....it's progeny is not nearly as important as is the "why". The why is simple.....republicans were holding the full faith and credit of the worlds largest economy hostage. Once one understands that dirty little fact one realizes the ownership of this shitty compromise is shared.

mnottertail -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 9:52:54 AM)
Apparently, those would be the President and White House. Apparently not, you see, this was a bill voted on by the house. And Woodwards veiw is a little skewed. Perhaps your remember the teabaggers skewering Obama on these very boards for the 'Don't call my bluff'.

Owner59 -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 10:29:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy In other words, The President is lying Bob Woodward, Obama’s sequester deal-changer Oh..... so Obama is lying? Then why do most Americans blame this mess on the republicans? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/27/us-usa-fiscal-poll-idUSBRE8BQ0J620121227 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/december_2012/no_fiscal_cliff_deal_44_blame_gop_36_obama http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/Peter-Fenn/2012/12/28/blame-republicans-for-the-fiscal-cliff-and-washington-gridlock Jesus....you cons created this mess from scratch......"you built that" in other words.... If you cons are going to lie to the American public......ya`ll better start getting better lies.....cuz these ain`t work`n.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 11:01:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy In other words, The President is lying Bob Woodward, Obama’s sequester deal-changer Oh..... so Obama is lying? Then why do most Americans blame this mess on the republicans? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/27/us-usa-fiscal-poll-idUSBRE8BQ0J620121227 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/december_2012/no_fiscal_cliff_deal_44_blame_gop_36_obama http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/Peter-Fenn/2012/12/28/blame-republicans-for-the-fiscal-cliff-and-washington-gridlock Jesus....you cons created this mess from scratch......"you built that" in other words.... If you cons are going to lie to the American public......ya`ll better start getting better lies.....cuz these ain`t work`n. Obama lied the entire campaign, blaming it completely on the Republicans, when it's been shown that it was Obama's Administration that brought it up. Why do people blame it on the Republicans? Because that's what they've been forcefed.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 11:02:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have yet to see anyone in congress actually represent anyone but whatever lobby pays them the most to do what the lobby wants, then they go back and justify it to their constituents. Perhaps but Lobbies don't vote

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 11:04:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Apparently, those would be the President and White House. Apparently not, you see, this was a bill voted on by the house. And Woodwards veiw is a little skewed. Perhaps your remember the teabaggers skewering Obama on these very boards for the 'Don't call my bluff'. Yes, it was voted on by the House, but that does include Democrats, and wouldn't the Senate have to also vote on this, and the President sign it? Or, is it now any bill passed by the House is law?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 11:17:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy The thing about a Representative Democracy is that once elected, you have to answer to constituents. When the voters do not agree with your stance or compromises, they have a strange tendency to wither vote you out or work really really hard to get reelected. The greatest failures in US Legislature History are almost always compromises. This is true...... Did you notice this President was actually re-elected ? Were you aware that one of the core principals of his campaign was a determination to raise the rates of the higher tax brackets? And, did those tax brackets go up? quote: As for sequestration....it's progeny is not nearly as important as is the "why". The why is simple.....republicans were holding the full faith and credit of the worlds largest economy hostage. Once one understands that dirty little fact one realizes the ownership of this shitty compromise is shared. It takes two to tango, Mike. The Republicans weren't going to lie down and rubber stamp everything the Democrats wanted. They played ball. The Democrats didn't. The President wanted to get the deal done, so he and his administration rolled the sequestration out. And, while we're on the topic, I think it was a great idea. Half the cuts were to come from defense spending, something that was supposed to give incentive to the R's to play ball, while the other half was non-defense spending, which contain programs that Democrats want to cut less. Sequestration was supposed to "force" the sides to hammer out a deal. Neither side was willing to compromise enough to reach a deal. There was a deal passed that pushed the decisions back 2 months. There was an equal mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. The deal to get the rest of the deal done wasn't supposed to include revenue increases, and now, the President is requiring them. And, if I understand negotiations correctly, it's typical for each side to get as much of their wants met without giving up as much, to reach a deal. A deal was reached. Now, it's a new negotiation with that last deal not even being counted, which it was supposed to count.

Fellow -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 2:10:09 PM)
It is lot of noise about a small thing. The country is bankrupt, at some point the ability to borrow will end. As there are no serious efforts to reform the economy the budget cuts are necessary to avoid the collapse and fade away (as the superpower) slowly. This 5% cut is just a beginning.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 2:24:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow It is lot of noise about a small thing. The country is bankrupt, at some point the ability to borrow will end. As there are no serious efforts to reform the economy the budget cuts are necessary to avoid the collapse and fade away (as the superpower) slowly. This 5% cut is just a beginning. Bullshit......all of it,nothing more than a false dichotomy offered by false prophets of economic doom. One only need look to Britain to see the effect of government retrenchment upon a faltering recovery. An economy barely ably to move the needle of growth is not likely to withstand cuts in the public sector.

HarryVanWinkle -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 2:36:30 PM)
What? A politician is lying? No! Say it ain't so, Joe. Say it ain't so. quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy In other words, The President is lying Bob Woodward, Obama’s sequester deal-changer Politician: A person with too few morals and ethics to stay a lawyer.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 4:54:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow It is lot of noise about a small thing. The country is bankrupt, at some point the ability to borrow will end. As there are no serious efforts to reform the economy the budget cuts are necessary to avoid the collapse and fade away (as the superpower) slowly. This 5% cut is just a beginning. Bullshit......all of it,nothing more than a false dichotomy offered by false prophets of economic doom. One only need look to Britain to see the effect of government retrenchment upon a faltering recovery. An economy barely ably to move the needle of growth is not likely to withstand cuts in the public sector. Please... Why are you comparing us with Great Britian? Face facts, the President put the Sequester into law... why are you bitching about it? Why is he lying about it?

Owner59 -> RE: Bob Woodward on Sequester: President Obama "is moving the goal posts" (2/23/2013 6:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy The thing about a Representative Democracy is that once elected, you have to answer to constituents. When the voters do not agree with your stance or compromises, they have a strange tendency to wither vote you out or work really really hard to get reelected. The greatest failures in US Legislature History are almost always compromises. This is true...... Did you notice this President was actually re-elected ? Were you aware that one of the core principals of his campaign was a determination to raise the rates of the higher tax brackets? And, did those tax brackets go up? quote: As for sequestration....it's progeny is not nearly as important as is the "why". The why is simple.....republicans were holding the full faith and credit of the worlds largest economy hostage. Once one understands that dirty little fact one realizes the ownership of this shitty compromise is shared. It takes two to tango, Mike. The Republicans weren't going to lie down and rubber stamp everything the Democrats wanted. They played ball. The Democrats didn't. The President wanted to get the deal done, so he and his administration rolled the sequestration out. And, while we're on the topic, I think it was a great idea. Half the cuts were to come from defense spending, something that was supposed to give incentive to the R's to play ball, while the other half was non-defense spending, which contain programs that Democrats want to cut less. Sequestration was supposed to "force" the sides to hammer out a deal. Neither side was willing to compromise enough to reach a deal. There was a deal passed that pushed the decisions back 2 months. There was an equal mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. The deal to get the rest of the deal done wasn't supposed to include revenue increases, and now, the President is requiring them. And, if I understand negotiations correctly, it's typical for each side to get as much of their wants met without giving up as much, to reach a deal. A deal was reached. Now, it's a new negotiation with that last deal not even being counted, which it was supposed to count. Here`s Paul Ryan taking credit (errr, responsibility.....) for the sequestration. http://paulryan.house.gov/top5issues/sequester.htm Who was in control of the HorRs when the act was created? Who created the artificial budget crisis a year ago, to begin with?

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