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Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 9:25:18 AM   
Nosathro


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Status: offline 		It has just been released that John and Patsy Ramsey were indicated by a grand jury on murder of there daughter JonBenet back in 1999. However the DA elected not to pursue the indictment. It was noted in the Ramseys, were wealthy and John had alot of influence in the community....

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16736352-report-colorado-grand-jury-indicted-jonbenet-ramseys-parents-in-1999?lite
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:00:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may be wrong but I am pretty sure it has been proven someone broke into their house and killed their daughter.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:05:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		You might also like to note that in, I believe it was 2008, DNA analysis proved they were innocent.

So no, they didn't get away with murder.

Why was the Grand Jury eager to indict them? Because this was a horrific story, and while the GJ is supposed to be objective, there was a very loud, very public cry for blood, and there were no suspects aside from the family.

Sadly, Patsy Ramsey died before the DNA analysis proved their innocence.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:11:44 AM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:12:45 AM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:23:53 AM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:36:03 AM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 10:49:10 AM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 11:13:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

It has just been released that John and Patsy Ramsey were indicated by a grand jury on murder of there daughter JonBenet back in 1999. However the DA elected not to pursue the indictment. It was noted in the Ramseys, were wealthy and John had alot of influence in the community....

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16736352-report-colorado-grand-jury-indicted-jonbenet-ramseys-parents-in-1999?lite



A few more bits

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/983539/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-case-grand-jury-wanted-to-indict-parents

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 11:51:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Due to the fact that they were later eliminated as suspects by DNA evidence, it's obvious the DA did the right thing.

One thing you have to realize is that it's the DA's option to decide if he has enough evidence to get a conviction. If he starts a trial before he has that evidence there is a very real possibility that guilty parties will go scott free and then you can't bring them to trial again under the same charges.
He could always refuse to prosecute initially and then if and when when more evidence came in decide to go ahead and prosecute when HE was ready.
The bottom line is that all these articles are a bunch of tabloid handwringing about nothing.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 12:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I lived in Colorado Springs still when this happened. It is sad how the media had them convicted without any evidence. A homicide detective from Colorado Springs went up there and found clear evidence it was a break in through a basement window but no one seemed to care.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 12:09:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly what point are you trying to make? So the GJ originally wanted to indict. The reality is that DNA analysis excluded them and exonerated them. So the GJ's decision is irrelevant.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 12:12:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty sure the old saying goes that a GJ would indict a ham sandwich. They don't need much in the way of evidence or fact to bring an indictment. I don't think it really means all that much in the grand scheme of things.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 1:05:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alwaysmylove

I'm pretty sure the old saying goes that a GJ would indict a ham sandwich. They don't need much in the way of evidence or fact to bring an indictment. I don't think it really means all that much in the grand scheme of things.


That is absolutely the saying. And if a prosecutor can't get any indictment that he (or rather, his boss) wants, he is going to be an abject failure and never advance in the office (in most prosecutors' offices, attorneys start out in the juvenile division, then advance to grand juries, then to adult misdemeanors, then adult felonies, then, for the states where it is an option, capital cases). Failing to get an indictment is a black mark on a prosecutor's record.

So just because somebody was indicted doesn't mean anything. At all. Well, except that they have been charged with committing a crime, which isn't very much.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 1:25:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Due to the fact that they were later eliminated as suspects by DNA evidence, it's obvious the DA did the right thing.

One thing you have to realize is that it's the DA's option to decide if he has enough evidence to get a conviction. If he starts a trial before he has that evidence there is a very real possibility that guilty parties will go scott free and then you can't bring them to trial again under the same charges.
He could always refuse to prosecute initially and then if and when when more evidence came in decide to go ahead and prosecute when HE was ready.
The bottom line is that all these articles are a bunch of tabloid handwringing about nothing.

The DNA found at the scene did not match the Ramsay family members. That does not eliminate them from anything but being the source of the DNA.

The fact is the ransom note is in the mother's handwriting and the amount demanded was exatly the amount the father had recently gotten as a bonus.

However the grossly bungled police investigation ensures the killers will never face justice.

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 1:37:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Due to the fact that they were later eliminated as suspects by DNA evidence, it's obvious the DA did the right thing.

One thing you have to realize is that it's the DA's option to decide if he has enough evidence to get a conviction. If he starts a trial before he has that evidence there is a very real possibility that guilty parties will go scott free and then you can't bring them to trial again under the same charges.
He could always refuse to prosecute initially and then if and when when more evidence came in decide to go ahead and prosecute when HE was ready.
The bottom line is that all these articles are a bunch of tabloid handwringing about nothing.

Not from tabloids. Which the new DA seem to think there is evidence.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/jury-voted-to-indict-jonbenet-ramseys-parents-john-and-patsy-ramsey/story-fnddckzi-1226563865685

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-grand-jury-voted-to-indict-parents-john-and-patsy-ramsey-for-child-abuse

The DA stated he cleared the Ramseys in 2008. In January 2009, Stan Garnett, the new Boulder County D.A., stated he planned to take a fresh look at the case. In February 2009, the Boulder Police Department took the case back from the district attorney to reopen the investigation, which is on going. In October 2010, new interviews were conducted following a fresh inquiry by a committee which included state and federal investigators. Police were expected to use the latest DNA technology in their investigation.

Something else to read
http://rense.com/general11/benet.htm

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 3:42:17 PM   
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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 4:30:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your last link is not "something else" to look at. It is from way back when the Grand Jury was first handed the case. It is meaningless. Are you looking to become the newest member of the tin foil hat crowd talking about conspiracy theories or what?

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 4:51:34 PM   
Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Your last link is not "something else" to look at. It is from way back when the Grand Jury was first handed the case. It is meaningless. Are you looking to become the newest member of the tin foil hat crowd talking about conspiracy theories or what?


It is dated 7-6-1. If you think it is meaningless that is your interpretation, I only posted it as information....

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RE: Did the Ramsey get away with murder? - 1/28/2013 4:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, I think JonBenet's case was so badly botched that we may never know who was really responsible. Every few years, the media pulls her pictures out and her drags her family through the mud all over again.

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