Nosathro
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LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT A PHILOSOPHY COMPATIBLE WITH RACIAL HATRED.
Has anybody ever told Robert Heinlein, Cleon Skusen, David Drake or Andrew MacDonald that, I wonder?
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His early juveniles were very much ahead of their time both in their explicit rejection of racism and in their inclusion of non-white protagonists—in the context of science fiction before the 1960s, the mere existence of non-white characters was a remarkable novelty, with green occurring more often than brown.
Heinlein challenges his readers' possible racial preconceptions by introducing a strong, sympathetic character, only to reveal much later that he or she is of African or other descent; in several cases, the covers of the books show characters as being light-skinned, when in fact the text states, or at least implies, that they are dark-skinned or of African descent.
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If some people ever got their facts straight, I think I would pass out from shock.
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Race was a central theme in some of Heinlein's fiction. The most prominent and controversial example is Farnham's Freehold, which casts a white family into a future in which white people are the slaves of cannibalistic black rulers. In the 1941 novel Sixth Column (also known as The Day After Tomorrow), a white resistance movement in the United States defends itself against an invasion by an Asian fascist state (the "Pan-Asians") using a "super-science" technology that allows ray weapons to be tuned to specific races. The book is sprinkled with racist slurs against Asian people, and blacks and Hispanics are not mentioned at all.
And that's without even getting into all of the evil aliens he wrote who are clearly Jews in rubber alien suits.
What about all the other sci fi authors who wrote about evil aliens? Were those jews in alien suits?
There have been many "alternate" history sci fi that is not considered racist. Heinlein used a current fear of the average person to base stories on, it happens all the time, H.G. Wells wrote about martians, and he was clearly meaning the Germans, was he condemned?
Fuck, look up some of Heinlein's non fiction work and see what the man really believed. Hell I had to in a few college lit classes, but then I had some profs that knew that what was fiction was not the same as what the author believed.
I guess they were the enlightened ones.
By the way, Rico, the hero in Starship troopers was of Latin descent, his first CO was eastern European...
Never fucking mind, it is impossible to deal with a closed mind.
Boy speaking of getting there fact straight...H. G. Wells "War of the Worlds" had nothing to do with Germany. It was written in 1895. Wells was more influnced by the British Empire predominant colonial and military power. Specifically the killings in Tasmania of Aborigines by British Soldiers to get their land.
Dude you need to go back to school. Every lit prof I had made that connection, as did most critics of his work since his death. At the time of the Writing Germany was doing its own version of Empire building in Africa and in the Pacific, threatening British holdings.
Where did you learn history and English Lit? Kmart?
I sugguest you read.....
His depiction of suburban late Victorian culture in the novel, was an accurate reflection of his own experiences at the time of writing.[17] In the late 19th Century the British Empire was the predominant colonial and military power on the globe, making its domestic heart a poignant and terrifying starting point for an invasion by aliens with their own imperialist agenda.[18] He also drew upon a common fear which had emerged in the years approaching the turn of the century, known at the time as Fin de siècle or 'end of the age', which anticipated apocalypse at midnight on the last day of 1899.[15]
Wells suggests this idea in the following passage from the novel:
And before we judge them [the Martians] too harshly, we must remember what ruthless and utter destruction our own species has wrought, not only upon animals, such as the vanished Bison and the Dodo, but upon its own inferior races. The Tasmanians, in spite of their human likeness, were entirely swept out of existence in a war of extermination waged by European immigrants, in the space of fifty years. Are we such apostles of mercy as to complain if the Martians warred in the same spirit?
—Chapter I, "The Eve of the War"
This also challenged the Victorian notion of there being a natural order, in which the British Empire had a right to rule through their own superiority over subject races.[38]
Oh Germany lost it Pacific Holdings to Japan in World War 1 and it's African Holdings to the British. In the Pacific the Dutch had greater holdings and the biggest problem the British had was Portugal who provided safe heaven to the Bore.
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