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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/12/2013 7:17:39 AM   
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The Title on the paper, "Distribute the Wealth" was the issue.

It might possibly be an issue if that was part of a civics or history paper, rather than example of how algebra is done.
It looks a lot more like a paranoid histrionic halfwit throwing a tantrum than somebody pointing an issue.



Uh you have just described 99% of the on air personalities of Fox news.

A good point, well made. You and DS are dead right on that one.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/12/2013 9:06:14 AM   
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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/12/2013 9:40:57 AM   
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I loved Algebra. I wish someone would come up with a reason to hate geomtery - now THAT is a cause I could fully support!


Most people have no problem with math, until the alphabet is added. That's where most people get turned off. It's sad that they don't see the fun is really just starting at that point.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/12/2013 9:54:32 AM   
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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/12/2013 5:20:14 PM   
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I loved Algebra. I wish someone would come up with a reason to hate geomtery - now THAT is a cause I could fully support!

I hope this isn't a hijack, but I can't resist jumping in here.

I was the exact opposite. I pretty much hated all high school math--except geometry. That made me wonder if there might be some pattern to what kinds of math folks like. So for three decades now, I've been asking people about this, and I think there is indeed a pattern:

-- People who like math tend to dislike geometry.

-- People who like geometry tend otherwise to dislike math.

The pattern doesn't hold up all the time, but I've been struck by how often it does.

Even did a CM thread about it way back when.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 6:59:08 AM   
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I loved Algebra. I wish someone would come up with a reason to hate geomtery - now THAT is a cause I could fully support!

I hope this isn't a hijack, but I can't resist jumping in here.
I was the exact opposite. I pretty much hated all high school math--except geometry. That made me wonder if there might be some pattern to what kinds of math folks like. So for three decades now, I've been asking people about this, and I think there is indeed a pattern:
-- People who like math tend to dislike geometry.
-- People who like geometry tend otherwise to dislike math.
The pattern doesn't hold up all the time, but I've been struck by how often it does.
Even did a CM thread about it way back when.
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I'm not so sure about the math/geometry differences, but, I think math/trigonometry might be better.

Personally, and I know I'm an odd one, but I simply love math. I did better in calc-based physics than in non-calc-based physics. Twenty one years after my last official math class, I found that I had missed some stuff back then, and that stuff was very interesting to have an understanding of, and also, that I really missed Calculus.

I willingly self-identify as a "math slut."

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 9:48:17 AM   
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The mindset behind algebra is very similar to that behind trig and calculus. Very graph-oriented, with lots of problems.

Geometry is very different and is based upon proofs.

Statistics is yet anther form of math. I never could figure out what the hell it was nattering about because it was done like a humanities class, not math.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 11:09:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		isn't that because the thrust of statistics is about how to interpret the figures, rather than the actual mathematics?

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 11:32:00 AM   
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I flipped through my geometry textbook, it all made perfect sense, and I did very well in the class. Barely squeaked by the rest of the math classes, although I enjoy reading about the higher level stuff when someone else is working out the calculus and such.



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I loved Algebra. I wish someone would come up with a reason to hate geomtery - now THAT is a cause I could fully support!

I hope this isn't a hijack, but I can't resist jumping in here.

I was the exact opposite. I pretty much hated all high school math--except geometry. That made me wonder if there might be some pattern to what kinds of math folks like. So for three decades now, I've been asking people about this, and I think there is indeed a pattern:

-- People who like math tend to dislike geometry.

-- People who like geometry tend otherwise to dislike math.

The pattern doesn't hold up all the time, but I've been struck by how often it does.

Even did a CM thread about it way back when.

We now return to your normally scheduled programing.




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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 11:34:50 AM   
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isn't that because the thrust of statistics is about how to interpret the figures, rather than the actual mathematics?



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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 5:48:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another bit of educational research that has been replicated many times:

Girls tend to do well in algebra but struggle with geometry, which is a subject at which boys seem to have an easier time excelling.

Hey - I didn't write the research, but it has been borne out over and over. It has something to do with spatial reasoning.

I am a girl and I like pink and frilly stuff so I say geometry had it out for me :)

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 6:02:28 PM   
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Another bit of educational research that has been replicated many times:

Girls tend to do well in algebra but struggle with geometry, which is a subject at which boys seem to have an easier time excelling.

I'd never come across that, and it's fascinating. Thanks so much!

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/13/2013 6:09:12 PM   
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I am annoyed when I have to express a constant in the form of a number and fail to see how people understand something better that way. The last semester I only attended 30 minutes worth of a lecture and then left because the teacher would go over the concept again and again but instead of using the very illustrative general approach, he would plug in numbers and muddle everything.

(Edited the extensive use of 'just' out of the text ^^)

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 11:00:36 AM   
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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 11:13:07 AM   
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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 11:16:26 AM   
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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 12:11:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		May I point out that given the current state of the American Education system, math, english, reading and pe is falling way below standard. Fox news need not worry about this problem, the kids aint learning the shit.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 12:29:41 PM   
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Stats, if you can keep away from the biased interpretations is little more than more math. Not surprisingly, I did just fine in stats, too. While taking stats classes, I recall sitting there wondering why everyone always griped about them.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 2:19:21 PM   
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The more theoretical it gets, the harder it is to visualise and so grasp. It's a shame, but it's also human nature.

Not everyone's nature.

Both my partner and I agreed that we found algebra WAY easier than arithmetic. Logic is clear and simple, it's those numbers that confused us.

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RE: Fox 'News': Schools 'Pushing the Liberal Agenda' by... - 1/14/2013 2:23:59 PM   
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To clear this up... it wasn't the "Distributive Property" being taught that was the issue. The Title on the paper, "Distribute the Wealth" was the issue.


And when I was at school we had lots of arithmetic problems on the lines of "A has a sack of apples, how can he hand them out so everyone gets a fair share?" Luckily no Fox News reporters were around to point out that this was indoctrinating us with socialistic ideas of distributing property.

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