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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 8:18:56 PM   
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The subway is not a place I feel safe. Plus expecting me to miss a train and be late is not appropriate. Now, if it were good weather and this was in Central Park, I imagine the results would have been quite different.

yeah.. under more ideal conditions like that he might have made a whole $50!..

I think that was the point, to do the experiment at the very worst time to see how many would actually stop, even if it meant they might be late for work, etc..

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 8:34:00 PM   
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I wish to hear what other heard did not get a link?

Now the first time I heard "it has another name but it is the "cannon' by shubert I think I do not have the name in firont of me!!

But I woke up crying, I wonder what and how these man make such music? I made sure to load many as I could on my Youtube!

I wonder why so many people do not understand how it touches the heart, and to only listen to one type of music is crazy!

I made my children listen to classic music, and it started when they were 2 years old, they grew to love it and their own type of music as well!

I think everyone was in a hurry to get to work, but the children had not ideal of time and "oh we must leave now" they just heard the melody of something soft
kind, and were curious as to what it was!

I am truly sadden that when my son wanted to learn how to play the piano, his father would not send the money and I had none, I tell him each time not all of the time
but, I tell him how sorry I am he did not get that wish! But he was drawing at age 7 months and I went to second hand store and garage sales of people who were artist!

I made sure to buy him all of supplies he needed and lol I came home from work and he had draw up the walls to my place and all over! He is now one of the best artist he use mixed mediums!

He now has his art on line for all to see! I know I went off of the suggest but music is an art, and art is music!!!!

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 8:36:27 PM   
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Since eye candy has been included in this thread I think we should
include the aspect that Mr. Bell himself might well be seen as having
appeal beyond his abilities with the violin.  It was mentioned in the
article that many of his fans see him as eye candy.

I don't know if this was airbrushed. You can decide for yourself.




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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 8:42:22 PM   
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One more thought.  I think this was a wildly successful idea.  Because
it was never intended as a proper psychological or sociological experiment.

It was intended as a newspaper feature article to generate comment and
draw attention to Mr Bell and The Washington Post.  They got a Pulitzer
Prize for it and it is still being talked about 6 years later.  That is a major success.


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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 9:37:45 PM   
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"He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes.

He collected $32.

That is more than 42 dollars per hour. Lots of people earn far less.


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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 9:58:14 PM   
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Part of appreciation of a musical performance, is the prestige of the musician involved, the exclusivity of the performance, the venue and so on. This is because human perception is a multi-faceted subjective experience.


Perhaps for the non-musician. I think fellow musicians can see past those limitations.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:16:56 PM   
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Part of appreciation of a musical performance, is the prestige of the musician involved, the exclusivity of the performance, the venue and so on. This is because human perception is a multi-faceted subjective experience.


Perhaps for the non-musician. I think fellow musicians can see past those limitations.
Utter nonsense. The musical cognoscenti will claim a melody sounds sweeter because it's being played on a Stradivarius, yet we know full well that there's no fundamental difference in tone between a Strad and a modern violin.

Most working musicians know the value of their performance extends beyond their playing.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:30:11 PM   
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I think this story is nothing short of ASTOUNDING to read!!

Thank you for sharing it, Maria B! :)
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"A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work.
Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then hurried up to meet his schedule.
A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk.
A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work.
The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on.
In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.
No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars.
Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100.
This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing?"
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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:37:13 PM   
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You go, kd!!!!! (Or should I have said "You rock, kd???")


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No that was one of the kids rocks smacking you in the head


lol... a few did come close... I was very mature however...I stuck out my tongue at them....I showed them

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:39:08 PM   
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(Fanning herself)
I really don't care if it was airbrushed or not!!! LMAO
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ORIGINAL: outlier

Since eye candy has been included in this thread I think we should
include the aspect that Mr. Bell himself might well be seen as having
appeal beyond his abilities with the violin.  It was mentioned in the
article that many of his fans see him as eye candy.

I don't know if this was airbrushed. You can decide for yourself.





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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:41:37 PM   
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LMAO

I don't think jlf was referring to the sand, Peon! :)

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Not the best sand I've seen by any means, I have to say.


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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 10:47:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA
Part of appreciation of a musical performance, is the prestige of the musician involved, the exclusivity of the performance, the venue and so on. This is because human perception is a multi-faceted subjective experience.


Perhaps for the non-musician. I think fellow musicians can see past those limitations.
Utter nonsense. The musical cognoscenti will claim a melody sounds sweeter because it's being played on a Stradivarius, yet we know full well that there's no fundamental difference in tone between a Strad and a modern violin. (emphasis added)

Most working musicians know the value of their performance extends beyond their playing.


Who, is this "we" you speak of?  And there is much more to the sound of violins
than "fundamental difference in tone".  


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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/8/2013 11:00:16 PM   
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The difference between a Strad and a modern violin is insufficient to be detected. By anyone. Including experts. It's been tried.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 1:45:50 AM   
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Couple things mentioned ring true, since I ride DCs Metro everyday.

) The Metro has several dozens / hundreds of "part time musicians outside their stations every day. Pretty common occurance, and most people are used to the sight. Some are in quite good. There is/was a program started by Metro to place musicians in stations as a sort of "community art" project a while back.

) Most passengers are all ready rushed... and rush hours on Metro generally tax most peoples patience to start with. Add in the crowd, constant "improvements" to the system, and the driven, finger-on-the-pulse DC lifestyle and it's easy to overlook something as simple as a "street musician".

That's just the way we roll here.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 4:10:43 AM   
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I would think the most intricate piece of music written wouldn't translate well to the subway. It would seem to me that you would need something simple melody-wise to accomadate the short time the listeners would have , and for maximum impact.

Segments of classical music don't read as melody to me. You have to hear the whole thing for the music to register. And even then some music is beautiful to me and some isn't. Just because its classical doesn't mean its good.

And as anyone knows, if you aren't in the right frame of mind, it doesn't matter how beautiful the music is, you aren't going to appreciate it.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 7:55:39 AM   
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Perhaps for the non-musician. I think fellow musicians can see past those limitations.


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Utter nonsense. The musical cognoscenti will claim a melody sounds sweeter because it's being played on a Stradivarius, yet we know full well that there's no fundamental difference in tone between a Strad and a modern violin.

Most working musicians know the value of their performance extends beyond their playing.


I wasn't focusing solely on violins and high society. My comment was meant in more general terms. A performance impacts a musician (particularly if they play that same instrument) in a much different manner than it does the non musician. A musician can hear and appreciate aspects of the performance that the non musician is not even aware of. A musician would appreciate the same performance whether it was at Madison Square Garden or the lobby of a local Denny's. The venue might matter with a bunch of stuffy high society types at $100 a pop in the audience. Surrounded by peers in the lobby at Denny's a musician knows the performance won't gain anything if they drive down the street to concert venue. He either has the goods or he does not.

You paint in very broad strokes. There probably is a noticeable tonal difference between an excellent Stradivarius and a poorly made modern violin. Having said that, Joshua Bell would likely sound fantastic on any violin. His tone is largely in his hands and his technique. Just out of curiosity, are you a musician?

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 8:04:54 AM   
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I have lived and worked in the Dc area...it is NOT a place where people will stop and admire stuff. Everyone is in a rush. The metro is a safe place but usually everyone is on a cellphone, running late, trying to find something... People aren't rude...just self-involved. Now, had it been scheduled, I guarantee people would have come. Not because he was famous or anything but because everyone here is ruled by their schedules.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 10:18:20 AM   
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I have lived and worked in the Dc area...it is NOT a place where people will stop and admire stuff. Everyone is in a rush. The metro is a safe place but usually everyone is on a cellphone, running late, trying to find something... People aren't rude...just self-involved. Now, had it been scheduled, I guarantee people would have come. Not because he was famous or anything but because everyone here is ruled by their schedules.


Yep, that's plausible.

Reminds me, oddly, of a time when I was on a train and staring at a beautiful woman sitting opposite me. Then I caught the strong whiff of a fart. Now, I was pretty sure that the beautiful woman in question wasn't the perpetrator, but I suddenly and completely lost interest in her.

Beauty needs an appropriate environment for it to be appreciated: rush hour panic, and fart smells, are amongst the (no doubt many) things that may not be conducive to this.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 10:34:47 AM   
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I remember when this went around on Facebook and I wrote a post about how annoyed I was at the tsk-tsk-like disappointment that someone didn't stop what they were doing to "appreciate" something at the exact time and in the exact manner that someone else thought they should have. I found the whole thing to be arrogant.

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RE: Do we perceive Beauty? - 1/9/2013 3:44:31 PM   
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"A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that 1,100 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work.
Three minutes went by, and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace, and stopped for a few seconds, and then hurried up to meet his schedule.
A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping, and continued to walk.
A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work.
The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried, but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally, the mother pushed hard, and the child continued to walk, turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on.
In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money, but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.
No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the most talented musicians in the world. He had just played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, on a violin worth $3.5 million dollars.
Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston where the seats averaged $100.
This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste, and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing?"
By: Josh Nonnenmoc



That's interesting.

I went to a bus station about a month ago, went into a corner and took a leak (something I've done for well over 50 years with, frankly, enormous precision)....not one person applauded.

Truly, I was ashamed....for them.

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