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Nowhere in this thread did I say any of that, so I'm not sure who mislead you.

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Come on, Tazzy. You're better at math than that. I'm sure you are or have been employed, so you filled out a W-2, where you claimed 'x' number of exemptions. Those exemptions are used to determine your withholding. Raise your claimed exemptions, and government doesn't get to use that money free of charge. Yes, you'll have a smaller refund, or might actually have to pay taxes, but you'd have your money to use as you see fit, provided you put enough aside to "pay the piper." If you are shrewd, you could add one exemption per year until your refund or tax was as small as possible.

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He usually is. Just wish I could follow his recommendations. But, it's a new year and a new attempt at it.

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Middle class isnt poverty level.

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Nowhere in this thread did I say any of that, so I'm not sure who mislead you.

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Come on, Tazzy. You're better at math than that. I'm sure you are or have been employed, so you filled out a W-2, where you claimed 'x' number of exemptions. Those exemptions are used to determine your withholding. Raise your claimed exemptions, and government doesn't get to use that money free of charge. Yes, you'll have a smaller refund, or might actually have to pay taxes, but you'd have your money to use as you see fit, provided you put enough aside to "pay the piper." If you are shrewd, you could add one exemption per year until your refund or tax was as small as possible.

You did write that, yes?

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He usually is. Just wish I could follow his recommendations. But, it's a new year and a new attempt at it.

Middle class isnt poverty level.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Adam Smith has been misread by any 'conservative' that ever read him.
Since he was the big cheese customs man for England during the revolutionary war era, perhaps you can pencil it out for yourself with that information, he didn't play these  bullshit percentage games in order to deflect from realities, he was well aware of the divisions that naturally exist in the classes.
Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand,
Ohhhhh, they send you down to war,
and when you ask them, "How much should we give"
Ohhhhhh, they only answer, "More, more, more."
He was fairly satisfied that the pittance in taxes paid by the poor was offset by the fact that those were the ones called on to go to war, and the rich could buy their way out, or get the plum puddn.

Not surprisingly, you didn't answer any of my questions. And, if your last sentence is accurate, how's that correlate today? "The Poor" aren't necessarily the ones sent into war. Since the draft was ended, they couldn't be forced to go, either.

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Yes, I did. I suppose you misinterpreted what I stated. Here's what I meant: If you raise your exemptions high enough, you'll not pay any tax into the system and when you file you'll owe taxes, instead of getting a refund.

I can see where the mix up occurred. I wasn't completely clear, and you misinterpreted what I wrote.

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And, your point is....? I wasn't talking about anyone but myself and my failed attempts to follow Dave Ramsey's recommendations.

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Dave Ramsey calls paying more than you could if you made easy changes, a "stupid tax."

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Middle class isnt poverty level.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Adam Smith has been misread by any 'conservative' that ever read him.
Since he was the big cheese customs man for England during the revolutionary war era, perhaps you can pencil it out for yourself with that information, he didn't play these  bullshit percentage games in order to deflect from realities, he was well aware of the divisions that naturally exist in the classes.
Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand,
Ohhhhh, they send you down to war,
and when you ask them, "How much should we give"
Ohhhhhh, they only answer, "More, more, more."
He was fairly satisfied that the pittance in taxes paid by the poor was offset by the fact that those were the ones called on to go to war, and the rich could buy their way out, or get the plum puddn.

Not surprisingly, you didn't answer any of my questions. And, if your last sentence is accurate, how's that correlate today? "The Poor" aren't necessarily the ones sent into war. Since the draft was ended, they couldn't be forced to go, either.

Not surprisingly, you have no fact but only obfuscating questions that are designed to derail.
You didn't ask me a question, first of all, I commented of my own volition and werewithal, and pretty much said that it wasn't something that was germain as far as I was concerned nor was it something I was going to comment on.
"Since the draft ended"...........lol
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." 
give that one a think while you are cyphering the laffer curve data points see if it might give you a clue here.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Yes, I did. I suppose you misinterpreted what I stated. Here's what I meant: If you raise your exemptions high enough, you'll not pay any tax into the system and when you file you'll owe taxes, instead of getting a refund.
I can see where the mix up occurred. I wasn't completely clear, and you misinterpreted what I wrote.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Most of the 50% would rather get it back in one lump sum instead of dribbles, drabs and wet stones,

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And, your point is....? I wasn't talking about anyone but myself and my failed attempts to follow Dave Ramsey's recommendations.

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Dave Ramsey calls paying more than you could if you made easy changes, a "stupid tax."

For someone who is poor, they dont think that way. And what would Dave boy know about that? On paper, he may be right. In reality, I can do a lot more with a 1200 at one clip than 100 a month.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am in agreement, there will have to be some reform in entitlements, but we could lop a shitload off the military, and I think that we could also get alot of money in reform of corporate welfare, and going to single payer universal and have the government wholesale buy and resell our medications as most civilized countries do, there are many economies of scale that we have ignored to our detriment as a nation.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
DS.  Fair enough, lets move on.  Cool?