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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 4:28:29 AM   
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Even transferring the call or not screening it adequately would've been grounds for dismissal I imagine for such a high profile patient, not to mention possibly becoming one of the 'jokes' of the hospital. And who's not to say she wasn't in a bad spot in her life? What happened if being involved in this incident was 'the straw that broke the camels back'?

Does that justify it (the prank)? NO.

Was it right? NO.

Are two children going to bed tonight, without their mother, because 2 douchebag fucktard DJs thought they would "just see how far they could go?" YES.


Those kids are going to bed without a mother because SHE decided to end her life.




And Trevor's parents are going to bed without their son because HE decided to end his life. But they still put his roommate in prison for taping him with another guy. But it was just a prank.....


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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 5:37:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obviously, I know nothing about the woman, but a thought crossed my mind yesterday - given the immigrant population, I wondered if perhaps she might have been from/raised among a population culture in which suicide might have been the cultural solution for the perceived shame?

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 9:26:17 AM   
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Even transferring the call or not screening it adequately would've been grounds for dismissal I imagine for such a high profile patient, not to mention possibly becoming one of the 'jokes' of the hospital. And who's not to say she wasn't in a bad spot in her life? What happened if being involved in this incident was 'the straw that broke the camels back'?

Does that justify it (the prank)? NO.

Was it right? NO.

Are two children going to bed tonight, without their mother, because 2 douchebag fucktard DJs thought they would "just see how far they could go?" YES.


Those kids are going to bed without a mother because SHE decided to end her life.




And Trevor's parents are going to bed without their son because HE decided to end his life. But they still put his roommate in prison for taping him with another guy. But it was just a prank.....



and you don't see the difference between getting someone to transfer a phone call and putting up a video of someone in a gay relationship.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 11:05:13 AM   
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Even transferring the call or not screening it adequately would've been grounds for dismissal I imagine for such a high profile patient, not to mention possibly becoming one of the 'jokes' of the hospital. And who's not to say she wasn't in a bad spot in her life? What happened if being involved in this incident was 'the straw that broke the camels back'?

Does that justify it (the prank)? NO.

Was it right? NO.

Are two children going to bed tonight, without their mother, because 2 douchebag fucktard DJs thought they would "just see how far they could go?" YES.


Those kids are going to bed without a mother because SHE decided to end her life.




And Trevor's parents are going to bed without their son because HE decided to end his life. But they still put his roommate in prison for taping him with another guy. But it was just a prank.....



and you don't see the difference between getting someone to transfer a phone call and putting up a video of someone in a gay relationship.


Each prank ended the victim's lives, as they, the victims, knew them.




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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 12:21:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first thing i thought when i heard about this call was......... who the hell would not figure out it was someone impersonating the Queen. Have you ever heard Australians - they have a very distinctive accent and it sounds nothing like an upper crust British accent. I'm thinking the pair thought they would talk to a switch board operator and get kicked off the phone. End of story.

I bet they had no idea that they would get as far as her nurse, and get info., as generic as it was.

And the fact that most people thought it was mildly funny to begin with , and then transitioned to outraged anger when the nurse died all seems a bit hypocritical. I hate that the nurse died, but as of yet no-one knows why. If she did kill herself she wasn't very stable to begin with. Its not blaming the victim, but stating a truth as i see it.

I would hate if it happened here - because everyone involved would have been fired - immediately. Hospitals take privacy very seriously in the States.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 12:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the replies. I have thought about it, and I guess I am somewhat hardened, because I do lay the blame on the lady who killed her self. I feel for her family beyond words, but she made the choice to end her life and, to me, the pain her family feels is 100% her fault, not the fault of the dj's.



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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 4:01:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree. No-one can "make" you kill yourself. You do it for yourself. If you are in enough pain - physical or emotional - that you wish to die, that is a decision you make. It typically isn't the fault of others.

and if this lady killed herself because she was involved in a prank that has been played on many others, then is seems it was more of the last straw, than the whole reason.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 4:21:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually it isn't a choice. I've fought against suicidal ideation at several times in my life. The world seems to narrow around you until this is the only thing left to do. Beyond that, brains of suicides show distinct changes on a MRI. She didn't choose to have a brain chemistry disorder that killed her.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 4:27:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		As have i - and i chose to live. I chose not to put my family through that and i chose to get on medication and have therapy. I CHOSE to live.


I also choose not to define myself by past ideation. I am not suicidal, and plan to stay that way. I also plan not to be in situations where suicide seems like a logical choice.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 4:48:14 PM   
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I wonder though, if this nurse asked the National Health for help and how long was the wait to see a psychiatrist and/or a therapist. Because when I told my doctor the last time that it was back, she wouldn't let me out of the office until she got me an appointment with a psychiatrist experienced in genetic mood disorders. She wanted me in the hospital for the weekend but I refused. However she had a starter pack of Zoloft and watched me take the first dose.

I know that the wait for evaluation is long. Perhaps two and a half years was much more than she could handle. Because that's what I've heard reported to see a therapist. And if you don't click with them and can't confide in them, there are no other options.

Maybe part of the blame here should be placed on the health care system. We don't know why this was more than she could handle.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 8:55:34 PM   
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As have i - and i chose to live. I chose not to put my family through that and i chose to get on medication and have therapy. I CHOSE to live.

I also choose not to define myself by past ideation. I am not suicidal, and plan to stay that way. I also plan not to be in situations where suicide seems like a logical choice.

It's good to hear that you're doing well after emerging from rough times.

There's an undercurrent to your post, though, of "I did it. Anyone can." And I'm not at all sure that's really true.

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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 9:05:28 PM   
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Maybe part of the blame here should be placed on the health care system.

Must there be blame at all? If the death was indeed a suicide, then it's likely an outgrowth of depression or other brutal mental illness.

If you'll forgive my recycling a favorite quote, William Styron, in Darkness Visible, put this much better than I could:

"[T]he pain of severe depression is quite unimaginable to those who have not suffered it, and it kills in many instances beause its anguish can no longer be borne, The prevention of suicides will continue to be hindered until there is a general awareness of the nature of this pain. Through the healing process of time--and through medical interventions or hospitalization in many cases--most people survive depression, which may be its only blessing; but to the tragic legion who are compelled to destroy themselves there should be no more reproof attached than to the victims of terminal cancer."


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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 10:28:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		therehereboi - you ARE NOT that woman who suicided.. so how can YOU judge how she felt at that particular moment???????? Suicide is NOT a decision that someone makes fleetingly!

Edited to also say: People can't make you suicide? BULLSHIT. If people torment you enough, you will fucking slit your wrists because doing that seems like a much better fucking option that to continue living that pain.

I can't stand people who spout their high and mighty shit about how "they are so much better, they are cured!"




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RE: Pranks - 12/8/2012 11:49:19 PM   
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therehereboi - you ARE NOT that woman who suicided.. so how can YOU judge how she felt at that particular moment???????? Suicide is NOT a decision that someone makes fleetingly!

Edited to also say: People can't make you suicide? BULLSHIT. If people torment you enough, you will fucking slit your wrists because doing that seems like a much better fucking option that to continue living that pain.

I can't stand people who spout their high and mighty shit about how "they are so much better, they are cured!"

I will tell you about when i thought about suicide (in my late 20s due to bad flashbacks).. I thought about it a fair bit of time so no, thinking about it isnt fleeting, I thought about how to do it, do I jump from my highrise apt? do i walk in front of a bus? do i get a gun? do i take pills & OD?.. however, the feeling to actually act on it can be (in me at least) very fleeting.. I found that if I just waited a few minutes, the feeling would pass and I would calm down enough to not be a threat to myself.. Had I had pills, that is the way I would have done it.. I never bought any pills tho, subconciously I guess i didnt want to have them available to take in a moment of weakness or on impulse.. No one knew any of this.. I appeared normal and fine on the outside to everyone even tho I was totally cracking up inside..

I tried to get help but since i didnt tell them i was suicidal i was told i could not see a shrink for about 6 months, which was much too long so i found a way to "cure" myself or at least deal with it.. I dropped out of college and moved to a new area.. that helped stop the flashbacks and I changed my thinking about the events that caused me those feelings.. I guess maybe i was lucky cuz that worked and I have not felt that way since.. I rarely talk about that time tho (& only online when the subject is brought up)..

I wonder, if the person that gave the info out went ballistic on the woman to divert blame to her instead of taking the responsibility for her own actions.. and I further wonder, if the person could have done that before, basically being a bully at work to this woman.. just guesses on my part, of course.. the womans suicide might have been due to any number of other factors and nothing at all to do with the phone call fiasco/prank.. I would also guess that the woman felt she could not seek help since she worked in a hospital and perhaps felt it would get back to her employer & possibly put her job in jeopardy..



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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 12:32:50 AM   
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I wonder though, if this nurse asked the National Health for help and how long was the wait to see a psychiatrist and/or a therapist.


I am seeing ranges from 2 - 3 months. Less than a week if its marked as urgent. Her being a nurse, at that hospital, Im sure she would have been seen quickly. That does not indicate she would have... nor does it mean her position may not have been at risk as a result.

I did find this though....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/12/08/why-did-kate-middletons-nurse-kill-herself/

Btw, someone questioned why she didnt pick up on the dialect...

Which is a heckuva lot to carry on your shoulders if you’re an immigrant nurse who happens to make the wrong decision on a phone call when you’re tired and trying too hard and haven’t quite mastered the language of the country you live in.

Could be why.

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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 1:53:08 AM   
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I just do not get the guys getting fired over this or the blame being put on them.


Seems fair to me. Someone lost their life because of their "prank".

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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 2:03:22 AM   
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therehereboi - you ARE NOT that woman who suicided.. so how can YOU judge how she felt at that particular moment???????? Suicide is NOT a decision that someone makes fleetingly!

Edited to also say: People can't make you suicide? BULLSHIT. If people torment you enough, you will fucking slit your wrists because doing that seems like a much better fucking option that to continue living that pain.

I can't stand people who spout their high and mighty shit about how "they are so much better, they are cured!"



I sense a lot of anger and frustration in some of these posts, not to what happened but to how some people are reacting.
I'm with kitkat.
I have had to deal directly with suicide. I am a victim of someones suicide.
The one thing I have learnt over the years is, suicide is not a choice made by a stable thinking mind. Its not a selfish act, its a mindless act.
This is a prank that went terribly wrong. Tragic is what it is but I don't think anyone is to blame.

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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 2:23:34 AM   
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Tragic is what it is but I don't think anyone is to blame.


That sums it up much better than I could.

The article that Tazzy posted was interesting too. The royal family is almost godlike to many.



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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 4:47:17 AM   
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therehereboi - you ARE NOT that woman who suicided.. so how can YOU judge how she felt at that particular moment???????? Suicide is NOT a decision that someone makes fleetingly!

Edited to also say: People can't make you suicide? BULLSHIT. If people torment you enough, you will fucking slit your wrists because doing that seems like a much better fucking option that to continue living that pain.

I can't stand people who spout their high and mighty shit about how "they are so much better, they are cured!"





You are right, I don't have a clue what was going through her head. In fact from every article I have seen, the police over there don't have a clue why she did it, or even that it was in fact suicide. But that doesn't seem to stop anyone from judging the dj's or claiming her blood in on their hands. As to people being tormented into something this drastic. That might be valid if they had called her more than once and it had resulted in more than her transfering a call. Not sure who you are refering to in the last statement. I don't recall anyone saying they were better than her.

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RE: Pranks - 12/9/2012 6:51:31 AM   
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Version of this I got on facebook said she WAS NOT the one that gave out info, just the person that answered the main phone line & transferred. My guess is an emotionally fragile person was dressed down by a superior for sending the call through...after the DJs got the info & went public.
So person with mental or drug issues gets yelled at and/or job threatened then commits suicide. Hospital would leave that part of their liability out of a press release don't you think?


My take as well, although I assumed it was mental issues, not a possibility of drugs.

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