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FatDomDaddy -> Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 3:06:35 PM)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19958802]Hillary Clinton takes blame for US deaths in Libya[/link]

The Buck Stops With Her!

Who knew she was President! Give Em Hell Hillary!



Hillwilliam -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 3:47:04 PM)

Actually, she is secretary of state.

Embassies, etc come under her department.

She is responsible and she took responsibility.



Yachtie -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 3:56:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Actually, she is secretary of state.

Embassies, etc come under her department.

She is responsible and she took responsibility.



HILLERY! fell on her sword for Obama. And evidently he's ok with that. What a standup guy! What a President[8|]





Moonhead -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 3:56:20 PM)

Maybe the fact that she didn't try to palm said responsibility off onto somebody else instead of accepting she might be culpable is confusing ?



Lucylastic -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:00:32 PM)

Its not like any republican politician has taken blame for anything going on
It takes a woman to take responsibility
But of course every republican man is only NOW the side of a woman, and against the man above her
will wonders ever cease
SNORTS



ElizabethAnne -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:01:10 PM)

Easy out for O'bama; damn. But then she's kinda used to making excuses for men...err...males.



Lucylastic -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:31:38 PM)

sounds like someone has been channelling Rush
Again

OH and there is this lil tidbit
Hillary Clinton is far from being a doormat for anyone.
“First Bill humiliates her and now Obama does.. Hillary no feminist, more like doormat.” That’s what The Post’s Jennifer Rubin tweeted Monday

Would anyone say that about a male secretary of state? Very likely, no. If a man stood up and took responsibility for a failure in his department, he would be admired as handling the problem with a tough-as-nails manner. They would say a male secretary of state “manned up.”
Instead, conservatives are saying Obama should have manned up and Hillary should have stood down. That’s because conservatives want to make this an issue of gender when it clearly is not.
Take Sherman Frederick, who wrote in the Las Vegas Review-Journal that President Obama was hiding behind Hillary’s skirt. That echoes another tweet by Rubin. David Axelrod, an Obama adviser, tweeted to Rubin: “Sick. Mitt mouthpiece jumps shark.” Rubin replied: “so is Obama going to hide behind her skirt Tuesday night? Why would the president let Hillary end her career in disgrace?”
Then Rush Limbaugh opened his mouth Tuesday. He mimicked Rubin’s sentiments, saying, “The woman is a doormat, not a feminist leader. It’s the most amazing thing.” Of course, Limbaugh had to revisit Bill Clinton’s past sexual indiscretions against Hillary.

This shouldn’t be a psychosexual drama about how Hillary is strong and covered for Obama in an election year and Obama is a weakling who won’t take responsibility. It’s far from that.
Realistically, the federal government is massive. Obama is obviously not overseeing the daily details in every department like state or micromanaging every embassy and diplomatic post on the planet. That’s why he appoints strong, intelligent people like Hillary.

Hillary said in the CNN interview Monday that she oversees the State Department, where information is often fluid. Within that department are security and intelligence officials who make decisions like whether a post in Libya needs more security.

Let’s be honest, though, Hillary can’t catch a break. When she was running against Obama for president, she was seen as an opportunist. Even her long-time admirer, the late writer Nora Ephron, said that many people thought back then that Hillary “will do anything to win, who believe she doesn’t really take a position unless it’s completely safe …”
Now that Hillary has taken an unsafe position on Libya, she is labeled an Obama administration scapegoat. The end to feminism does not arrive just because women now have power. It arrives when women are treated the same as men in the same position.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/10/16/hillary-clinton-is-not-a-doormat-for-obama/



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:34:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Actually, she is secretary of state.

Embassies, etc come under her department.

She is responsible and she took responsibility.


That's because she is being Presidental

Hillary Clinton in 2008: 'The Buck Stops in the Oval Office'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-clinton-2008-buck-stops-oval-office_654618.html



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:41:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

sounds like someone has been channelling Rush
Again

OH and there is this lil tidbit
Hillary Clinton is far from being a doormat for anyone.
“First Bill humiliates her and now Obama does.. Hillary no feminist, more like doormat.” That’s what The Post’s Jennifer Rubin tweeted Monday

Would anyone say that about a male secretary of state?


Very likely yes.... journalists and opposing politicians have been accusing Cabinet Officers and Staff Officers of falling on the sword for a couple of centuries!
[image]http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmbfm/DSC4/hilary%20clinton.jpg[/image]




Yachtie -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:41:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The end to feminism does not arrive just because women now have power. It arrives when women are treated the same as men in the same position.


Well, then get on your hands and knees[8D]

/s



Lucylastic -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:47:28 PM)

Fuck your joke



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:49:35 PM)

mis-edit



Lucylastic -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:52:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

sounds like someone has been channelling Rush
Again

OH and there is this lil tidbit
Hillary Clinton is far from being a doormat for anyone.
“First Bill humiliates her and now Obama does.. Hillary no feminist, more like doormat.” That’s what The Post’s Jennifer Rubin tweeted Monday

Would anyone say that about a male secretary of state?


Very likely yes.... journalists and opposing politicians have been accusing Cabinet Officers and Staff Officers of falling on the sword for a couple of centuries!
[image]http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmbfm/DSC4/hilary%20clinton.jpg[/image]



Ive been trying to find one who took ANY responsibility for anything like it...
got any hints?



dcnovice -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:52:42 PM)

FR

For as long as I can remember, folks have whined about politicians' not taking responsibility for what happens on their watch.

So then Secretary Clinton does precisely that, and folks are still whining.

Maybe it passes the time between Limbaugh broadcasts.



ElizabethAnne -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 4:54:30 PM)

Very true - anyone recall Watergate?



dcnovice -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 5:23:57 PM)

quote:

anyone recall Watergate?


Yep.

And a quick hop over to Wikiquote made the memories a bit fresher.

RN: "The Jewish cabal is out to get me."
A remark repeated by Nixon several times in private conversations. Quoted in The Final Days by Bob Woodward.

RN: "I don't give a shit what happens. I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover up or anything else, if it'll save it, save this plan. That's the whole point. We're going to protect our people if we can."
Statement to Haldeman, in tapes ordered released for the trial of Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell)

RN: "Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal."
Interview with David Frost (19 May 1977)



DesideriScuri -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 5:31:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Maybe the fact that she didn't try to palm said responsibility off onto somebody else instead of accepting she might be culpable is confusing ?


I disagree somewhat.

An article
    quote:

    "I take responsibility," Clinton told CNN. "I'm in charge of the State Department's 60,000-plus people all over the world (at) 275 posts."


And, as Sec. of State, she's right.

    quote:

    Clinton backed up Biden's assertion. "The president and the vice president wouldn't be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals," she said Monday.


Again, she's spot on. She's in charge of it. Yes, the President is the CEO, so he does have some responsibility, but it's very obvious that Presidents delegate responsibility for things to those that are closer, ie. Secretary of State. It's not a crazy thing to think that the SoS would be in charge of making sure of the security details for our Ambassadors.

    quote:

    Clinton told Fox News Channel that "the decisions about security are made by security professionals. But we're going to review everything to be sure we're doing what needs to be done in an increasingly risky environment."


Right there. There it is. "[T]he decisions about security are made by security professionals."

Right there. She said she was responsible, but she also denied it was her fault. Some "security professional," or a handful of them, will lose his job and everything will go quietly in that soft night. She might get some flak from this admission, but she's doing it for Obama (and herself; I would imagine Romney wouldn't keep her on as SoS if he wins the WH), and she won't lose her job (it was up to "security professionals").

I'm not saying Obama and Biden knew. I would not be surprised if it's true that they didn't know about the requests for increased security. I would be surprised if they knew. However, Hilary is responsible, by her own admission, even. If she isn't relieved of her position, something is really going to start reeking in the Administration.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 5:41:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

    quote:

    Clinton told Fox News Channel that "the decisions about security are made by security professionals. But we're going to review everything to be sure we're doing what needs to be done in an increasingly risky environment."


Right there. There it is. "[T]he decisions about security are made by security professionals."

Right there. She said she was responsible, but she also denied it was her fault. Some "security professional," or a handful of them, will lose his job and everything will go quietly in that soft night. She might get some flak from this admission, but she's doing it for Obama (and herself; I would imagine Romney wouldn't keep her on as SoS if he wins the WH), and she won't lose her job (it was up to "security professionals").

I'm not saying Obama and Biden knew. I would not be surprised if it's true that they didn't know about the requests for increased security. I would be surprised if they knew. However, Hilary is responsible, by her own admission, even. If she isn't relieved of her position, something is really going to start reeking in the Administration.



But this is all a matter of convenience because the anti-ch ... errr ... Clinton already announced a year ago (or more) that she wasn't going to serve in (God forbid) Ofailure's second term.

So, if they do lay the blame on her (and it seems like that's exactly what's happening), no one loses (except the people who were killed at the consulate and the American people and American foreign policy and the future Americans who will be killed as a result of that new, failed foreign policy and the fighting men and women who will have to go in and clean it up and ...).

Another blame-anyone-but-the-boss move from an administration that has proven that they are responsible for nothing (except all the "good" shit). I'm really surprised they haven't tried to blame this one on the last failure that sat in the oval office (I'll bet they were up all night trying, though).



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Hillwilliam -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 5:49:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Actually, she is secretary of state.

Embassies, etc come under her department.

She is responsible and she took responsibility.



HILLERY! fell on her sword for Obama. And evidently he's ok with that. What a standup guy! What a President[8|]




2 words

Ollie North



dcnovice -> RE: Some people claim that there's a Woman to blame... (10/16/2012 6:18:45 PM)

FR

Oh, and I am really not amused about the earworm.



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