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dcnovice -> RE: NFL's Matt Birk: Let's protect marriage and speech (10/1/2012 5:52:53 AM)

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Birk: Same-sex unions may not affect my marriage specifically, but it will affect my children -- the next generation. Ideas have consequences, and laws shape culture. Marriage redefinition will affect the broader well-being of children and the welfare of society.

Yes, children will grow up with examples of committed, loving, same-sex couples, some of whom tenderly and skillfully rear families. IMHO, that's a good thing.


Birk: People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of marriage between one man and one woman are being labeled as "bigots" and "homophobic."

Two thoughts:

(a) Birk's "basic reality of marriage" doesn't hold true for all times and places. For much of history, marriage could include more than two people, and I believe that remains the case in some places today. Even one-man-one-woman marriage, moreover, has evolved, from a largely economic arrangement in which the woman was chattel to a loving relationship between equals. The idea of a single, timeless "definition" of marriage is a mirage.

(b) Writing in the New York Times, longtime traditional-marriage advocate David Blankenhorn noted, "And to my deep regret, much of the opposition to gay marriage seems to stem, at least in part, from an underlying anti-gay animus. To me, a Southerner by birth whose formative moral experience was the civil rights movement, this fact is profoundly disturbing." As for yours truly, I might be less inclined to equate opposition to marriage equality with homophobia if those who spend considerable time, energy, and money opposing same-sex marriage would identify another reason for doing so.


Birk: There is no opposition between providing basic human rights to everyone and preserving marriage as the sacred union of one man and one woman.

Birk seems unaware of the Supreme Court's unanimous finding in Loving v. Virginia that "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival."




fucktoyprincess -> RE: NFL's Matt Birk: Let's protect marriage and speech (10/1/2012 7:37:00 AM)

In the Western world, he is fighting a losing battle on the definition of "marriage". I believe eventually marriage will encompass a union between any two consenting adults.

But there are many parts of the world that still have very conservative approaches to the relationships between men and women, and to homosexuality. Maybe if he doesn't like how things are here, Matt Birk can move to one of those places and be happier.

Those in the way of positive change will eventually lose.

This day 50 years ago, James Meredith attended the University of Mississippi as the first person of African American heritage to do so, achieving racial integration of that institution of higher learning. The previous night, Army and National Guard troops clashed with segregationists - two people were killed and hundreds wounded.

On this day, let's celebrate positive change, and how the people who fear positive change eventually lose. Ultimately, one cannot fight what is right, and succeed. It is just a question of time. [sm=2cents.gif]




GotSteel -> RE: NFL's Matt Birk: Let's protect marriage and speech (10/2/2012 7:58:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
"People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of marriage between one man and one woman are being labeled as "bigots" and "homophobic." Aren't we past that as a society?


No one minds him acknowledging the existence of heterosexual marriages, it's standing in the way of equal rights for homosexuals that makes him a bigot.




slvemike4u -> RE: NFL's Matt Birk: Let's protect marriage and speech (10/2/2012 9:51:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
"People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of marriage between one man and one woman are being labeled as "bigots" and "homophobic." Aren't we past that as a society?


No one minds him acknowledging the existence of heterosexual marriages, it's standing in the way of equal rights for homosexuals that makes him a bigot.

Exactly......
Though no one had previously thought him a bigot.....seems he has outed himself ,how ironic [8|]




Baroana -> RE: NFL's Matt Birk: Let's protect marriage and speech (10/2/2012 5:55:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Nice job 77


"People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of marriage between one man and one woman are being labeled as "bigots" and "homophobic." Aren't we past that as a society?


http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/171850721.html?clmob=y&c=n&refer=y&refer=y



You can't become right just by saying something nicely.

Let me know how much you agree with the following:

"People who are simply acknowledging the basic reality of women being smarter than men are being labeled as 'bigots' and 'misandrynist.' Aren't we past that as a society?"




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