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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 6:45:38 PM

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Hmm the thing I go for with my way, is
by the end of it every muscle fiber is
completely exausted, like literally I have
trouble trying to lift my arms.
You should try the reverse of what your
doing and see what you think, although
be warned! I had to sit at the subway
next door one day because my legs
wouldn't walk me around

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 6:51:39 PM

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Oh I end up with absolutely rubber muscles as well after that workout.

Going a lower rep count than I'm currently doing isn't good to reach my goals right now. First of all, I need the warm-up, of the slow build up because my muscles are out of shape enough that I'll injure myself if I go any faster to heavier weights than I am.
Secondly, I'm trying to go for a balance between strength gain and bulk gain. Going lower reps but higher weights will make you gain strength faster, but it doesn't add bulk as easily. Lower weights with higher reps will add bulk faster, but not necessarily translate in a serious strength gain. Seeing that I'm aiming for the balance between the two, the rep schedule I'm on is actually the one that's recommended. In a couple weeks I'll probably switch to a higher weight/lower rep sequence instead.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 7:11:08 PM

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Ok, well I'd only recommend my way if you
naturally recover fast, I don't know if I'm fast
or normal but a friend of mine does a similar
method and he only does it once a week
because his muscles just can't recover.
I tease him all the time!
But he's a lot healthier than me so I guess it's
genetic with some people.
Could be he's hitting "Man-opause"

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 7:19:06 PM

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He may not be eating healthy enough to keep up with training that hard. Your training method is geared towards maximum damage, which translates into the fastest results, but is also most demanding recovery wise. If you on your own gravitate towards eating healthier and more protein than he does, that could be where the difference is at.

I started off at the schedule I am right now, and crashed and burned fast, and started to loose weight rapidly while not gaining muscle, because my body couldn't keep up recovery wise. I flipped my whole diet in response, and am now deliberately eating at least 30gr of protein every 3 hours, along with a bunch of other supplements. Now doing the same training schedule works just great, even though it's taken me a couple weeks to get used to the fact that at any given time, I have at least 1 body part that hurts like hell. My husband keeps telling me that I should like the Doms seeing that thinks I'm a masochist, but it SO ain't the same as a good flogging.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 8:44:01 PM

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I must have been weird wired. I was pretty heavy, big bottomed girl and I could still do a backflip until my early 40's. And roundups were doing ok until I tore my shoulder in retail when I was 43. After that.. PHHHHHHTTTTTT... downhill city. lol course I still ate bad for me stuff just as I had all along. I HAD a fast paced walk until I turned 55, and found myself having to depace to make sure I wasn't leaving anyone behind. Now I find that by slowing down it has really made me stay at that pace. YUCK.
Physically I am heavy. But my arteries are clean, my heart rocks!, and my BP has once again become doable. Weird wired.
Fitness doesn't always mean a ripped body. I am thinking maybe genetics or a stubborn nature.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 10:17:08 PM

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I really don't understand the purpose behind criticizing other people's choices, passions, and health decisions. I'm also not making the connection of gym time = being unproductive in life. I know a lot of really cool people who do great things in society and who also spend cross-fit workout time with their circle of friends at the gym. One married couple I'm friends with said through the gym, they rediscovered their spark together, and really enjoy spending their time working out together. What's the issue with that??

As for me, well I've lost 95 pounds by eating healthier and working out. And most people who know me offline say I don't slow down and rest enough.

I dunno, I think I'd rather focus on continually improving my own life, rather than focusing on what other people are doing that I don't relate to, and insulting it.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/26/2012 11:05:55 PM

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Not knocking it. Just saying it doesn't mean being other than is less than.
When I was in great shape, things were not any different.
People view others through their own goggles, which I can relate to vanity. I know. I was one of those vain type that used to only date men over 6 feet.
Until I got older and looked for things other than the surface.

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I really don't understand the purpose behind criticizing other people's choices, passions, and health decisions. I'm also not making the connection of gym time = being unproductive in life. I know a lot of really cool people who do great things in society and who also spend cross-fit workout time with their circle of friends at the gym. One married couple I'm friends with said through the gym, they rediscovered their spark together, and really enjoy spending their time working out together. What's the issue with that??

As for me, well I've lost 95 pounds by eating healthier and working out. And most people who know me offline say I don't slow down and rest enough.

I dunno, I think I'd rather focus on continually improving my own life, rather than focusing on what other people are doing that I don't relate to, and insulting it.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:45:03 AM

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I have to giggle.
I facetiously poke fun at attitudes and spending self indulgent hours on exercise and here comes those bragging on how much time they spend on exercise. <grin>

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:47:20 AM

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What, ironic humor is lost on you? When did that happen?

And here I was thinking it was *the* most perfect thread hijack.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 8:51:30 AM

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Heh heh heh. Reminds me of those guys who spend 3 hours a day at the gym, all of it in front of the mirrors where they see who can grunt the loudest.

They're idiots.

The human digestive system isn't capable to take up protein in fast enough and sufficient quantity to sustain a 3 hour a day weight lifting regime.
Also, we build muscle not while exercising, but while resting. A 7 day a week, 3 hour a day weight lift schedule does not allow the muscles the down time they need to actually recover and grow. Muscle mass and strength grow by damaging the muscle and repairing it a little bigger than it was before in anticipation of preventing future repeat damage.

Without sufficient protein to match every exercise done, and without sufficient rest time to repair the damage caused by weightlifting, the body will start canniballize itself in an attempt to keep up, growth and progress with stagnate, and injuries will become inevitable eventually.

Mirrors, btw, are absolutely crucial for weightlifting, as keeping the right form is important both to maximize growth, as well as to prevent injuries. Without a mirror, checking your own form is nearly impossible to do. When you see the beefy guys intently looking at themselves in the mirror while lifting, they're checking for form, not checking themselves out.

Some good information here UllrsIshtar. My ex husband was once British and European power lifting champion. He trained 3 days a week and always trained in front of mirrors.

I hate gyms but I train because if I didn't I wouldn't be able to do the sports I love. I have to be lightweight and have strong legs to cycle but when I am training for competitions I consume a huge amount of calories. I am often filmed cycling with a go pro camera and the same with climbing. I don't climb competitively because cycling and climbing don't compliment one another but I have to practice technique with precision engineering. Being filmed shows me where I am going wrong. Vanity doesn't come into it! I've had coaches shouting at me that my body symmetry is wrong on the rock and so my center of balance is skewed and disagreed with them because my brain was telling me otherwise but then I see myself on camera and have to admit they were right.
In dressage I always ridden in front of mirrors because they confirm problems and help me find solutions.
For me sports (my sports) are a huge part of my life. They are fun and enjoyable and because my partner and me do the same sports, it means we get to spend some fun hours together.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 9:07:04 AM

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I dunno, I think I'd rather focus on continually improving my own life, rather than focusing on what other people are doing that I don't relate to, and insulting it.

This.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 2:03:16 PM

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I saw the thread as being started all in good fun. I'm going to respond in that vein. (not in vain. heh)

I'm at the gym 2-4 times a week, 2 hours each time... that includes a half hour discussion with Diablo. He looks at all the photos of my meals since we last saw one another, we work on scheduling and discussing any injuries / goals I have, there is time for questions / concerns. There is a whole lot of laughter than happens then too. Then I go for a walk or a bike ride for at least 45 minutes every day, 5 days a week (more or less). I listen to my body. If I'm tired, it's a leisurely stroll or ride. If I'm more energized, it's a hustle bustle kind of thing. When I ride my bike in particular I'm crazy happy. I am grinning before I'm a block from my house. I sing and talk to everything around me. It's goofy, but it puts me in a great mood!

This working out and focusing on taking better care of my body has been really great for my social interactions, too. Several of my friends have been inspired by my success (not really MINE - more like OURS, but that's another topic), and now instead of meeting at a coffee shop or for dinner, my friends and I go for a walk or play miniature golf, go salsa dancing, take a yoga class, or even just walk around a museum / festival, etc. I pretty much nix the coffee / dinner thing for my own piece of mind, and now there are a million things I hadn't noticed before. I'm involved in a whole slew of activities now. Is it because of my energy level? because the self confidence that is built? because my body fits better with other people? I don't know. I just know that it's better, I'm more active, I have more friends, and I'm loads happier.

Diablo has decided I need to work on trust issues. That bastard. Now he has me walk backwards during our workouts. I have to really pay attention and listen to him so that I stop when he says stop or I'll hit something. I gotta tell you, it's harder than the workouts! Yesterday when I was doing this, I cried because it was so emotionally difficult. "It will give you courage" he told me. And I decided that he is in the top 5 people in my life that I trust, so if I can't do this with him, I can't do it with anyone. I closed my eyes and went zoom backwards.

I pass by the bakeries. My trick is to say to myself that everything is made with rat poison except the scones and the biscuits. I can have one every day because I decided that I wanted to keep some of that amazing yumminess in my life, but I didn't want to go through the "What do I want? Everything looks so good! I'll just get 12 things and not decide!" There was a debacle begging to destroy my body! (Thanks to JeffBC for the "rat poison" idea. It works for me.)

So for me, exercising at the gym has become a starting point for making my life fuller. Hallelujah.

best,
sunshine

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 2:31:56 PM

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(Thanks to JeffBC for the "rat poison" idea. It works for me.)

*chuckles* Thanks. I think for me it's easier to see the truth because I'm not all that attached to food myself. In the end, food that is bad for you... even if it's bad because it's very wonderful slice of cheesecake that happens to be 250 calories... is still bad for you. For that reason I like to get it in it's "proper" category -- poison.

Now, if only it were so easy for me to do that with my OWN vices I'd be all set.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:26:33 PM

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Maybe you need your own Diablo!

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:30:22 PM

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I love walking backwards, but woooo vertigo!

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:38:58 PM

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Heeeeeeeeey! I work out to try to get rid of this body fat I have. And Hubs says I am the most conceited person when it comes to my hair.
But I ain't so bad!!

I think I might have you beat in the hair conceit department. I am pretty obsessed with it and apparently, so are alot of people!!

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:40:37 PM

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Well your hair is worthy! So was mine, once upon a time, though I have no skill with hair.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:42:06 PM

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I am lucky to be blessed with the good hair gene. My dad is 80 and has a full head of dark hair. However, he has a goatee which is white!!!!

My Mom screams at him to shave it because people think he dyes his hair, but he doesn't. He just loves that goatee. :)

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 3:52:02 PM

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I used to have fabulous hair! ~cries~ SO lost the genetic lottery on that score.

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RE: Just to stir the fat pot... - 8/27/2012 4:30:52 PM

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Why does the discussion of walking backwards remind me of Fred Astair and Ginger Rogers. Serious trust there to do all that backwards and in high heels.

I giggle at the mirrors needed for weight lifting. Having been a power lifter in my younger and dumber days I know what you need is a good spotter and keep your mind on the lift not on being narcissistic with the mirror. You have overdone the weight training when your muscles are stronger than your bones and joints guys. I learned the hard way.

If you look at the statistics used to develop the popular weight tables, it raises some questions. The tables were developed using Navy Seals, Green Berets, and Force Recon. The data used was from one body type ignoring the fact that there are several genetic body types appearing in genetics literature as far back as the 1930s. The Endomorph, Ectomorph, and Mesomorph are the main three categories. It is a tragedy that pop culture tries to force all into the same mold when it may not truly be healthy.

Ok, wanted this to be a humorous discussion and putting away all the study materials.

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