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Politesub53 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:31:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.


The problem with the republican candidate is he hasnt got any effective solutions, just bluster and bullshit.

As for culling public servant jobs.......Would you be happy to lose yours, or do you just mean some other poor sap should lose theirs ? ?




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:44:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

So how is Roney going to fund these mythical tax cuts, without increasing the deficit ? I seem to recall a former US president saying "Read my lips, no more taxes"

Well Mitts, you cant reduce government revenue without replacing the money from somewhere, so whats the secret. Job cuts ? Stealth taxes ? Borrowing ?

As an outsider I am surprised people in the US fall for this guff.

When Bush I said that, SNL did a skit asking how he would do that. The answer: Keep two sets of books.





Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:45:52 PM)

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The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.


....because laissez-faire was working so well for a decade and a half . . .

[8|]




vincentML -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:48:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.


The problem with the republican candidate is he hasnt got any effective solutions, just bluster and bullshit.

As for culling public servant jobs.......Would you be happy to lose yours, or do you just mean some other poor sap should lose theirs ? ?



Let's get rid of those public servants so they stop purchasing goods and services. There's a plan for increasing aggregate demand. [8|]




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:50:36 PM)

Better yet, show me anywhere in Europe where getting rid of public servants is having the desired effect of ending the recession.




SternSkipper -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 4:52:54 PM)

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No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.




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DomKen -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 5:00:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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I have news for you brains........We are trying that in the UK and it isnt working. The killer is paying interest on debts accrued prior to 2008.

Simple is right, but economics it aint...Duh indeed.


Many on the Right are clueless, Politesub.

FDR's new deal {government interventions/programs}was instrumental in helping the United States, pull out of the last Depression.
We will NOT get out of our current depression, without A LOT of government interventions.




No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.

Actually the US was emerging from the Depression in 1936 but FDR's opponents forced austerity measures through Congress and the economy went back into recession in 1937.

As much as the conservatives hate to admit it the facts are that the stock market crash had wiped out a huge amount of wealth and the remainder was mostly in hands of the wealthy who weren't spending it. So the New Deal operated by deficit spending and progressive taxation to put money in the hands of the middle and lower classes where it was spent and the deflationary cycle was brought to an end. The return of the recession in 36/37 shows that the problem wasn't with government spending or infltionary monetary policies but with the austerity measures pushed by the other side, although really those ideas should have been permanently discredited by the 1929 to 1933 period.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 5:09:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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I have news for you brains........We are trying that in the UK and it isnt working. The killer is paying interest on debts accrued prior to 2008.

Simple is right, but economics it aint...Duh indeed.


Many on the Right are clueless, Politesub.

FDR's new deal {government interventions/programs}was instrumental in helping the United States, pull out of the last Depression.
We will NOT get out of our current depression, without A LOT of government interventions.




No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.


Rewriting history again? Not the way my family who lived through it remember. Dad found enough work to pay his own way through 4 years of full time studies on an AA in Engineering, graduating shortly before the war started. Which is a bit different from the depths of the early '30s. When Granddad was the county tax assessor and struggled to put red beans and corn bread on the table 3 times a day. But he Did. Lots of kids my family went to school with were glad for one meal a day, which they didn't always get.
And How the Lend Lease act and defense spending did boost the economy is classical STIMULUS. (Though it has to be a hugely inefficient way to any goal.) The Govt. sold bonds to finance building up the defense industry and start the manpower training Roosevelt knew was needed. By Pearl Harbor, the ship yards and aircraft factories were well ramped up and the training centers were mostly in place for the huge training the war effort demanded. All the usual economic indicators were rising well before that took place, or aren't reference works available everywhere? Ask the people still around about the CCC and other evil stimulus and make work programs that fed millions and remade large sections of the US infrastructure. Good value and barely in time for many.




Marini -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 6:58:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Better yet, show me anywhere in Europe where getting rid of public servants is having the desired effect of ending the recession.


Politesub, how are things going in the UK?

What wonderful things is the private sector doing to make life better
for the citizens over there?




SternSkipper -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 7:05:08 PM)

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Better yet, show me anywhere in Europe where getting rid of public servants is having the desired effect of ending the recession.



Well ... It's easier hold massive public demonstrations.




angelikaJ -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 7:36:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well. folks don't think, it must be around 40 US to get a drivers license renewed, it cost $75 to go to small claims court (judge judy and the like) and another $55 to enforce the judgement, we just end up paying the stuff in fees.  Mandate, fee, tax. States, Counties, Townships,  and  Towns charge more, and it gets worse and worse.

  


This is exactly how Romney managed to not "raise taxes" when he was Governor of MA.

So, what new fees is he going to come up with if he becomes prez?




SternSkipper -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 8:22:12 PM)

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This is exactly how Romney managed to not "raise taxes" when he was Governor of MA.

So, what new fees is he going to come up with if he becomes prez?


Hey... my INCOME taxes didn't go up but both boats cost an extra $!,200 a year thanks to RomneyHood... What's the avg local property tax on a $600k house... My last assessment BEFORE WE HAD YO FUCKING SELL IT (Thanks Mr Romneyhood my kids love condos and gated that big yard ob the saltmarsh).. My local property tax was $7,200 a year (up from $4,800 before he took office)

THAT IS THE REALITY OF ROMNEYHOOD'S GOVERNANCE




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/9/2012 9:11:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


No it wasn't. The ONLY thing that got us out of the depression was WWII and the Lend Lease act. The clueless people here are the progressives who believe in social programs are the answer.



That's a neocon myth.

If you look at the Unemployment stats (one of many metrics which disprove this myth):

in 1929: 3.2%
in 1930: 8.9%
in 1931: 16.3%
in 1932: 24.1%
in 1933: 24.9%
in 1934: 21.7%
in 1935: 20.1%
in 1936: 16.9%
in 1937: 14.3%
in 1938: 19.0%
in 1939: 17.2%

You will see that unemployment was declining steadily year after year from 1933 on (until the Republicans seized control of the Congress in 1937, and temporarily reversed the trend)

Yes WWII mobilization greatly accelerated the decline in unemployment, but it was not the ONLY factor.






Politesub53 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 3:03:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Better yet, show me anywhere in Europe where getting rid of public servants is having the desired effect of ending the recession.


Politesub, how are things going in the UK?

What wonderful things is the private sector doing to make life better
for the citizens over there?


Hi Marini, lifes good, the Olympics are doing us proud, but the cost worries me. This week has been sunny, which is rare this year.

Ups and downs with the private sector, especially with what we call Public-Private Partnerships. Many of these are won by the lowest price, so most are now running overbudget, which is picked up by the taxpayer. Wages have been driven down, for example many of the guards employed by G4S are on the minimum wage, while G4S are on maximum profit. Its a case of the taxpayer paying the shareholders there. One other example is the long term operating contracts were never really looked at, so we have huge charges for simple things, such as changing a light bulb in a new hospital.

Some reading for you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17979559

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15931086

I know Sanity and co call me a leftie, but I have almost always voted Conservative (Right leaning) I understood some jobs would have to go, and some cuts would have to be made. The sheer scale has taken me by surprise though, so much so they may not get my vote in the next election.




joether -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 4:25:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
So how is Roney going to fund these mythical tax cuts, without increasing the deficit ? I seem to recall a former US president saying "Read my lips, no more taxes"

Well Mitts, you cant reduce government revenue without replacing the money from somewhere, so whats the secret. Job cuts ? Stealth taxes ? Borrowing ?

As an outsider I am surprised people in the US fall for this guff.

Um by reducing government spending... Duh!

If the government spends less, the tax payers have to pay less... It's simple economics.


Yeah, I'm surprised how often this sort of thinking has gotten our nation into so serious trouble. The idea 'a few years ago' was to cut taxes, thereby force the budget to be cut. Unfortunately, that turned a surplus we once had into a growing deficit. The effect Republicans were looking forward, did not take place. Rather than fix the obvious set of problems, they decided to ignore it. That foolishness costed the country dearly. The problem subrob, is most folks have no idea what '$100 Billion in US Goverment spending' buys in terms of US Jobs. Added to that, is this nation buys 32-35 units of '$100 Billion in Goverment Budget Spending'. It not only quite a few hundred thousand jobs, but that the grand majority of those jobs are private sector or 'down stream' jobs.

When you cut spending from the budget, during a recession, you are in effect, just adding more people into the unemployment lines. You are reducing the circulation of cash in the local/state economies, and reducing the chances (however small they were just before) of new jobs being created. Some of these are immediately felt and others a few months after. Most of the people that lose their jobs will mostly likely will never know how much their job was tied into goverment money spent in their company/industry. I would laugh at the conservatives whom cheer when said goverment spending is cut, only to lose their job in a tough market like ours, as the reality is that person might have been the breadwinner for the family. There are some really bad results of cutting the spending during a recession. It really is both sad and disappointing that many Americans just do not have this knowledge and wisdom.

If anything, create additional jobs for a year or two. Place more money into the local/state economies will have a much more effective chance at creating real demand (not the artificial demand from goverment spending). As demand rises on its own, we'll see more full-time, long term (read permanent) jobs in the market place. After the economy is health, THEN, drop some of that goverment spending. That was what the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was set-up to accomplish. The numbers have found it did exactly as the economic theory it was based on, said it would do.

'Chopping a few hundred Bil....' from the US Budget would be very unwise for the next few months (maybe a year).




thishereboi -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 5:05:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Better yet, show me anywhere in Europe where getting rid of public servants is having the desired effect of ending the recession.


Politesub, how are things going in the UK?

What wonderful things is the private sector doing to make life better
for the citizens over there?


Hi Marini, lifes good, the Olympics are doing us proud, but the cost worries me. This week has been sunny, which is rare this year.

Ups and downs with the private sector, especially with what we call Public-Private Partnerships. Many of these are won by the lowest price, so most are now running overbudget, which is picked up by the taxpayer. Wages have been driven down, for example many of the guards employed by G4S are on the minimum wage, while G4S are on maximum profit. Its a case of the taxpayer paying the shareholders there. One other example is the long term operating contracts were never really looked at, so we have huge charges for simple things, such as changing a light bulb in a new hospital.

Some reading for you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17979559

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15931086

I know Sanity and co call me a leftie, but I have almost always voted Conservative (Right leaning) I understood some jobs would have to go, and some cuts would have to be made. The sheer scale has taken me by surprise though, so much so they may not get my vote in the next election.


sounds like things are tight over there. Maybe you could take a page out of Obama's book and start raffleing off your Queen. It's simple really. Everyone sends in 3 bucks (or the equiv in pounds) and then they draw names. The winners get to have dinner with the queen. Now Obama has celebrities who will show up at the dinners to make the pot sweeter. This week they are taking it up a notch and offering the chance to shoot hoops with Carmelo Anthony, Patrick Ewing, Sheryl Swoopes, Kyrie Irving, and Alonzo Mourning. Oh, and you'll get to meet President Obama and Michael Jordan over dinner, too. I am guessing there are lots of people who would love the chance to dine with the royals.




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 4:23:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

sounds like things are tight over there. Maybe you could take a page out of Obama's book and start raffleing off your Queen. It's simple really. Everyone sends in 3 bucks (or the equiv in pounds) and then they draw names. The winners get to have dinner with the queen. Now Obama has celebrities who will show up at the dinners to make the pot sweeter. This week they are taking it up a notch and offering the chance to shoot hoops with Carmelo Anthony, Patrick Ewing, Sheryl Swoopes, Kyrie Irving, and Alonzo Mourning. Oh, and you'll get to meet President Obama and Michael Jordan over dinner, too. I am guessing there are lots of people who would love the chance to dine with the royals.



Ah, you mean like Romney holding fundraising dinners while in Israel......I got it now.

[;)]





SternSkipper -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 5:27:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

sounds like things are tight over there. Maybe you could take a page out of Obama's book and start raffleing off your Queen. It's simple really. Everyone sends in 3 bucks (or the equiv in pounds) and then they draw names. The winners get to have dinner with the queen. Now Obama has celebrities who will show up at the dinners to make the pot sweeter. This week they are taking it up a notch and offering the chance to shoot hoops with Carmelo Anthony, Patrick Ewing, Sheryl Swoopes, Kyrie Irving, and Alonzo Mourning. Oh, and you'll get to meet President Obama and Michael Jordan over dinner, too. I am guessing there are lots of people who would love the chance to dine with the royals.


Ah, you mean like Romney holding fundraising dinners while in Israel......I got it now.


Yeah the Israel dinner was a fucking joke.. Just like his traveling overseas pretending to be a diplomat. And from Downing St. to Tel Aviv,,, he was a laughingstock.
And I don't know what the hair is for your debating partner is. I don't think she's new to the country. Presidents attract celebrities and there's nothing in the Disabilities Act requiring the popularity equivalent of a wheelchair ramp.
And hey Romney has had many famous and powerful people coming to his Fubdraisers. In Boston, my friend Jack went and he said David Koch was there and Randy Travis, the famous country western star... Oh look... There's randy now...


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mnottertail -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 5:32:16 PM)

They need to take him on the porch and hit him with a 2 by 4.




SternSkipper -> RE: Obama bitch slaps Willard (8/10/2012 5:36:37 PM)

I wonder if RomneyHood will Love Randy forever now?




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