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MasterJohnSteed -> Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 11:45:28 AM)

Well Who is America's Best Buddy in the Middle East?
Who do we get a majority of our oil from??

Why its Saudi Arabia, of Course!

But Wait now we have to boycott anyone who is Anti Gay Marriage!

In Saudi Arabia and many other Arabic countries being gay is A CRIME and not just any crime mind you. Its a capital offense. That's right they will kill you for being gay.

I don't know how many gay people are giving up their cars and walking for biking to work because of the policies of the Kingdom of Saud, but we have to flip out about one christian business man, giving a interview in a christian magazine. Not intended for a gay audience but for an audience that would approve of his message.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 11:54:04 AM)

For what it's worth, I don't know when anybody is ever going to take you seriously, but possibly your post wasn't intended for an audience that is smarter than a box of rocks.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 12:09:18 PM)

OP, would you mind posting a link that would be easier to interpret than a rambling, disjointed post?




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 12:13:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed

Well Who is America's Best Buddy in the Middle East?
Who do we get a majority of our oil from??

Why its Saudi Arabia, of Course!


WRONG!!

The country we get the most oil imported from is Canada! At 12% of our imports the canucks are number one. Mexico comes in at 9%, which is also where Saudi Arabia falls and Venezuela comes next with 8%. There are 22 other nations we import from after that. Just to fill in the blank, we get 34% from domestic production.




Jaquin -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 12:38:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR
The country we get the most oil imported from is Canada


Yay go us.

Hope we're ripping you off for it as much as we're being ripped off for it ourselves :p




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 2:59:28 PM)

I'm guessing that the OP is talking about the Chik-Fil-A issue.

If so he totally missed the point.

For those outside of the US: Chik-Fil-A is a fast food restaurant chain specializing in chicken sandwiches rather than hamburgers. They donate to anti-gay marriage political action committees. Gay marriage is currently a political hot button in the USA. The mayor of Boston ( Thomas Menino) publicly stated that he would prevent the company from opening restaurants in his city.

Most people who are in an outrage are upset because of the whole gay marriage thing and they have missed the point: The real outrage is that a public official would block a company's progress because they don't support the same things he does.

It doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you are on: This is an abuse of power, a subversion of the democratic process and precisely no different than blocking them for contributing to his opponents campaign rather than his. It is extortion.

I am all for gay marriage (although I don't think people are ready to accept it just yet - timing is everything) but I cannot recognize the Menino's decision as anything but invalid.

And this whole conversation belongs in the Politics and Religion forum.




DarkSteven -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 3:01:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jaquin


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR
The country we get the most oil imported from is Canada


Yay go us.



We're a little short this month. Send a few extra barrels down to Colorado.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 3:57:52 PM)

quote:

MasterJohnSteed
...but we have to flip out about one christian business man, giving a interview in a christian magazine. Not intended for a gay audience but for an audience that would approve of his message.


So, what you are saying is, if you are NOT a Christian and a bigot... you are supposed to be deaf?

quote:

MalcolmNathaniel
Most people who are in an outrage are upset because of the whole gay marriage thing and they have missed the point: The real outrage is that a public official would block a company's progress because they don't support the same things he does.


Pot, meet Kettle.

In the absence of the outrageous political statement, the outrageous political statement would be outrageous.




kalikshama -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 4:19:23 PM)

Rejecting Chick-fil-A is good power play for mayor

Boston Mayor Tom Menino wants to keep fast-food chain Chick-fil-A out of Boston because the company opposes same-sex marriage. Legally, Menino may in the wrong. Yet he is also completely in the right. The dustup has been portrayed as a First Amendment issue. In truth, it’s more about smart politics, mayoral power and — like it or not — Menino’s ability to make the city in his own vision.

Chick-fil-A founder Truett Cathy is reputed to have invented the chicken sandwich; his first Atlanta store in 1967 has grown to a multi-billion-dollar empire with over 1,600 outlets. Finding a Chick-fil-A in New England is tough, however. There are just three, and the chain is now looking to expand north.

From a gastronomical standpoint, Chick-fil-A is no big deal. (My bucket list includes sampling all major fast-food chains. McDonald’s Chicken sandwich is much better.) But what does make Chick-fil-A unique is the Bible Belt religiosity that suffuses all it does. The family-owned company says its “corporate purpose” is “to glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us.” Each of its stores is shut on Sundays. And the company spends much time advancing its spiritual philosophy. Some of those causes, such as promoting foster care, are widely praised. Others, including preserving “the biblical definition of the family unit,” have raised hackles, including Menino’s.

On July 20, the mayor sent a blunt letter to Chick-fil-A decrying its anti-gay stance and telling it to “back out of your plans to locate in Boston.” Both the left and the right have assailed him for this, seeing it as an attack on free speech. Where does this end, they ask? Will the city now stop someone from opening a store because he’s, say, a Yankees fan?

Except, of course, that Menino isn’t suggesting that such foolish reasons should factor in deciding the businesses Boston welcomes. He’s talking about something much more serious, a basic civil right (one, admittedly, not all agree with). Put in a different context, if Chick-fil-A supported a return to the days of Jim Crow, my guess is a lot of folks now lambasting Menino would react differently.

Then too, while the First Amendment prohibits government from censoring speech, it doesn’t make one immune from the consequences of those remarks. Leominster, for instance, just fired a cop who targeted Red Sox outfielder Carl Crawford with a racial epithet. The slur was protected by the First Amendment, but racists shouldn’t be on the police force, either. The same with Chick-fil-A. It can say what it wants. But those words do have meaning, and they cause many to worry how they translate into action. Will Chick-fil-A treat married gay employees the same as married straight employees? The way the company deeply intertwines business and religion raises a reasonable doubt.

But all of these are legal niceties, irrelevant from the viewpoint of a politician like Menino. His attack on Chick-fil-A is, instead, an illustration of the effective use of power, something the mayor learned long ago. As acting mayor in 1993, he imposed a freeze on water and sewer rates. His opponents mocked him, noting mayors don’t control an independent agency. The laugh was on them — not only were residents grateful that someone was at least trying to do something, but he also got his way. The bully pulpit has power; the hikes were deferred.

So too, last year Menino was ridiculed for his efforts to get Niketown to remove profane T-shirts from its windows. Would the city have won if it went to court? Probably not. But they were removed anyway.

And to what end is this power used? A hallmark of Menino’s tenure has been his effort to remake Boston’s image from a backward place of small-minded bigotry into a modern city that is inclusive, diverse, and civil. If that means lashing out at companies such as Chick-fil-A, so be it. Were Chick-fil-A to sue (unlikely, since the mayor has clarified he wouldn’t hold up permits over the issue), odds are Menino would lose in a court of law. But in the court of public opinion — 19 years and counting — he’s winning.

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MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 4:30:56 PM)

My, aren't we in a state today?

What the mayor threatened to do is a crime regardless of the political views of the company. We have a thing called, "Freedom of speech" in this country.

I don't like the message that company has to say. But they have every right to say it, just as I have the right not to purchase anything from them.




Karmastic -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 4:40:25 PM)

fr-

OP, i agree, hypocrisy reins here.




hardcybermaster -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 4:46:34 PM)

bet this one was genius, shame we can't see it




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 4:51:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

if Chick-fil-A supported a return to the days of Jim Crow, my guess is a lot of folks now lambasting Menino would react differently.


Let's reverse the argument:

What if Chick-Fil-A supported gay marriage and the mayor refused to allow them to build restaurants there?

Again, I do not support their politics. I don't eat there. But supporting someone who will abuse power just because you believe they are in the right is a very slippery slope.

You said it yourself: "The bully pulpit has power." That is precisely the same thing as saying "Might makes right."




dcnovice -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 5:15:19 PM)

quote:

Well Who is America's Best Buddy in the Middle East?

Israel?


quote:

But Wait now we have to boycott anyone who is Anti Gay Marriage!

Oh, dear God. No one's saying anyone has to boycott anything. You can spend your money however you want, as can I. I prefer not to give mine to folks who favor discrimination against me.




dcnovice -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 5:21:54 PM)

quote:

What the mayor threatened to do is a crime regardless of the political views of the company. We have a thing called, "Freedom of speech" in this country.

What did the mayor threaten to do? I just read his letter to Chick-fil-A (below), and I honestly don't see a threat in it. Strong views, yes, but no mention of any action he'd take to block the company. Was that something he said elsewhere?

[image]http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thelookout/chick-fil-a-letter-boston.jpg[/image]




kalikshama -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 5:53:45 PM)

Thanks for posting the letter! Go Menino!

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MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 6:17:03 PM)

He says it here:
Mayor Menino on chick-fil-a

Here is what Mayor Bloomberg of NYC says:
Link

"It’s just not government’s job, and no matter how much you dislike somebody else’s views, think about what would happen in the cities where the views are on the other side,” Bloomberg said Friday on WOR radio’s “John Gambling Show.”
...
Bloomberg said he thinks “all three are good mayors,” but that he wouldn’t stop Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city.

“This is just a bad idea and it’s not going to happen in New York City,” Bloomberg said, adding that he’s never had a Chick-fil-A sandwich. “I didn’t even know about them until I read about them in the paper.”






stellauk -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 7:13:47 PM)

I also thought America's best buddy in the Middle East was Israel.

However you say this:

quote:



In Saudi Arabia and many other Arabic countries being gay is A CRIME and not just any crime mind you. Its a capital offense. That's right they will kill you for being gay.

I don't know how many gay people are giving up their cars and walking for biking to work because of the policies of the Kingdom of Saud, but we have to flip out about one christian business man, giving a interview in a christian magazine. Not intended for a gay audience but for an audience that would approve of his message.



Now you are aware that the general Christian position is opposed to the death penalty?

I think this has something to do with the first commandment, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. However if you google the name Sister Helen Prejean she might be able to explain the Christian morality concerning the death penalty much better than I can.

Now I understand that you are a heterosexual Christian man who finds homosexuality abhorrent, from what I remember from the previous thread.

Thing is, there are quite a few heterosexual Christian males posting regularly on this message board, who probably also don't accept homosexuality but they don't seem to be that troubled by it, at least not to be starting threads on it.

Is this really troubling you? is it the burden of temptation weighing heavily on your mind here? I'm not a Christian, but I would assume this must be hell.

I guess if you're anywhere near Topeka in Kansas and you have access to flourescent cardboard you could consider joining the Westboro Baptists and finding support in the church community.

Alternatively there's also Craigslist. After all, God is merciful and forgiving, is he not? And you know what they say 'one up the bum, no harm done'.

Nobody need never know.




Muttling -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 7:27:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stellauk

Now you are aware that the general Christian position is opposed to the death penalty?



Ironically, it is the conservative right which is strongly Christian that favors the death penalty the most. The Christian evangelico movement favors it quite heavily.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Kingdom of Saud (7/29/2012 8:38:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stellauk

I also thought America's best buddy in the Middle East was Israel.

However you say this:

quote:



In Saudi Arabia and many other Arabic countries being gay is A CRIME and not just any crime mind you. Its a capital offense. That's right they will kill you for being gay.

I don't know how many gay people are giving up their cars and walking for biking to work because of the policies of the Kingdom of Saud, but we have to flip out about one christian business man, giving a interview in a christian magazine. Not intended for a gay audience but for an audience that would approve of his message.



Now you are aware that the general Christian position is opposed to the death penalty?

I think this has something to do with the first commandment, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. However if you google the name Sister Helen Prejean she might be able to explain the Christian morality concerning the death penalty much better than I can.

Now I understand that you are a heterosexual Christian man who finds homosexuality abhorrent, from what I remember from the previous thread.

Thing is, there are quite a few heterosexual Christian males posting regularly on this message board, who probably also don't accept homosexuality but they don't seem to be that troubled by it, at least not to be starting threads on it.

Is this really troubling you? is it the burden of temptation weighing heavily on your mind here? I'm not a Christian, but I would assume this must be hell.

I guess if you're anywhere near Topeka in Kansas and you have access to flourescent cardboard you could consider joining the Westboro Baptists and finding support in the church community.

Alternatively there's also Craigslist. After all, God is merciful and forgiving, is he not? And you know what they say 'one up the bum, no harm done'.

Nobody need never know.

Slam. Dunk.
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