thompsonx
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One thing is clear, Obama swore it was not a "tax" and now the Supreme Court says it is. One side has to be lying.
What is clear is that you have not read the decission. One of the five consenting justices interperets it as a tax.
What is also clear is that you seem to lack some basic grammar skills. Until you understand what "lying" means please eschew it from your lexicon.
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What bothers me more about the health care law is all of the non-related health care crap that got stuffed into it. I don't like the mandate, because as a free society, nothing should be mandated.
Define "free society" and why you think one exists here or anywhere on the planet.
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A person should clearly be able to opt out, and assume the responsibility for doing so.
So also ought one be allowed to opt out of fire and other municipal services?
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I think in the long term what we will see as a result is an outcry when choices get taken away about the particular course of actions taken when it comes to health care.
Like the choice between paying premiums you cannot afford and dying?
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For example, suppose there is a "mandate" that everyone gets a particular vaccine that is new and relatively untested. You feel it is not something you want to take, but it is mandated as part of your health care to do so.
Suppose you pick an example that has merit instead of something, that is a figmint of your imagination, that is not contained in the bill under discussion.
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I had cancer in the 90s, and after having surgery for it, the oncologist wanted to remove all of the lymph nodes on the left side of my body, and give me several rounds of chemo and radiation. I declined all of that, and insisted we simply monitor the blood and do quarterly CT scans for 2 years as he initially suggested. Had I followed his course blindly, there is not telling what kind of physical problems I could have had, chemo and radiation are hard on even healthy tissues in the body and tend to create organ problems. Because I declined it, I made an educated and personal decision. 17 years later I see that my choice, against what the Doctor wanted turned out to be a very good one. I haven't had so much as a cold or flu in well over 14 years and I'm confirmably cancer free. Had I been under this new health care program, I don't think I would have had that much say so in the matter.
That's to me, a major issue.
It is an issue of your own creation. Nothing in the health care bill would have prevented you from having the same interaction with your physician. The only difference is how much it will cost you. Do you really like paying ten to twenty times more for your health care?
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I'll also add I haven't had health insurance in 7 years and I've been to the ER twice, and had several doctor's visits. I paid for all of them with cash. What I saved in insurance premiums was well worth setting money aside to pay for service on my own.
In your specific case it does since you are essentially uninsurable. What do you do if the cancer comes back or you get hit by a truck?
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I think mandates of any kind set a very dangerous precedent in this country and a decline in liberty.
You might consider retaking sixth grade civics.
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