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What bothers me more about the health care law is all of the non-related health care crap that got stuffed into it.
Explain that.
OK example: Starting Jan. 1, 2012, small businesses and self-employed people will have to issue 1099 forms, which are used to track and report the miscellaneous income associated with services rendered by independent contractors or self-employed individuals, for every vendor with whom they do more than $600 business in a calendar year.
What exactly does that have to do with healthcare?
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I don't like the mandate, because as a free society, nothing should be mandated.
Traffic lights, education, building codes, a ton of other things, have been mandated for some decades now.
Public education leaves quite a lot to be desired. And you have to pony up taxes to support it even if you don't attend them or have children that do.
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I think in the long term what we will see as a result is an outcry when choices get taken away about the particular course of actions taken when it comes to health care. For example, suppose there is a "mandate" that everyone gets a particular vaccine that is new and relatively untested.
The vaccine thing has been in place for decades. All medicines and vaccines were tested by the bastards selling them; again, that's been the way for decades. I had to have a tetanus shot to take classes at the uni, because it had been more than ten years since I was cut severely enough to require medical attention. Those born after 70-something had to get at least three more shots than I did.
But in this country parents can still avoid vaccines for their kids, but only if Jesus told them so. It's true. That is a legal option, but anything on medical grounds isn't.
BTW, nice cave you've been living in, there.
I'm glad you came through the cancer experience OK. Not everyone knows to do what you did, to at least consider other options. But every day, some people die from ignoring medical advice, and some others die from taking medical advice.
I never brought religion into the discussion, but the use of themerosol in vaccines has been widely criticized by even some groups of Doctors (many of which are jewish not Christian so I guess your Jesus argument just left the building) Also, there is very little evidence to support that all vaccines prevent the diseases they are supposed to. Flu shots being a great case for that. I've read quite a lot of research on it and have decided not to ever get a flu shot. I've not had a flu in a very long time. What I do believe is that Vit. D3 in the winter helps prevent colds and flus, and Canada agrees enough with that view to have looked at using it instead of the flu vaccine. How many approved by the FDA medications have later been recalled because they were found to be unsafe? (Scientifically not religiously)
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Had I been under this new health care program, I don't think I would have had that much say so in the matter.
Oh really?
Is there anything in this new law that would mandate that you submit to the procedure your doctor tried to talk you into? Please describe that part of the new law for us, if you would.
The doctors made the last two years of my mother's life an incessant misery, cost my dad his right eye, one of them outright killed a good friend of mine's mother because he was too stupid to read her medical history thoroughly enough before changing her dosage of a medication ...
"Not a fan" here, you might say. But they (the victims) just did what they were told, as the average person would.
For the average person, what a doctor says and what the insurance companies say are a mandate.
But welcome to the club; there are certainly many others that have no issue being bullied by corporations, even to the point of screaming that the government should quit bullying the corporations into quit bullying society.
So here we are, millions of lost jobs and lost houses later ...
I'm glad that you can pay for all your own medical visits, but you still paid 50% more for that than a person in the next-highest health cost country would have paid. I'm glad you're happy with that, but I hope that you understand that not everybody might be as happy as you for that situation.
Apparently you haven't read about the "panels" in the law that decide what course of action you're be told to take medically? It's pretty blatant if you bother to read the law. Perhaps the most underreported and, until recently, least discussed aspect of the Affordable Care Act is IPAB, the Independent Payment Advisory Board. This 15-person unelected panel has yet to be selected; however, it will be a key to the success of Obamacare. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has been quoted as saying that the majority of IPAB members must not be medical practitioners.
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Of course this law isn't very good. There was an actually half-decent proposal to begin with, but the Republicans didn't like that, so a POS law is what we have now. The theory is that after suffering a couple of years through this POS law, we'll eventually decide to catch up with the rest of the most developed economies and do it the right way.
But this country definitely hates its own citizens more than any other developed country I know of, so I'm not as sanguine as some others on the prospect of ever getting anything actually useful to society out of this.
And I agree with you. Between the crony capitalists on the R side of the aisle and the Socialist leaning extremists on the L side, I don't think much good will come out of it.
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