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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 9:07:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		When one is innocent till proven guilty.....it is not a stretch.

I know "innocent till proven guilty " is a quaint,often forgotten concept,especially in politics.....but it`s still the law of the land.

This is a criminal charge the cons are throwing around.

Yet they haven`t proven a crime took place or even have evidence that a crime took place.


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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 9:13:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		You also know the difference between quoting and spinning.

When you ignore that, you just make these guy's criticisms accurate.

I can't see how that helps anything, whether when you're doing it or when they are.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 9:14:51 AM   
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When one is innocent till proven guilty.....it is not a stretch.

I know "innocent till proven guilty " is a quaint,often forgotten concept,especially in politics.....but it`s still the law of the land.

This is a criminal charge the cons are throwing around.

Yet they haven`t proven a crime took place or even have evidence that a crime took place.



Tell that to George Zimmerman

If Holder wasn't covering up the evidence, they would have found it... But he decided to play games and give the committee pages of blacked out reports, letters that were proven to be lies, the retracted, and stone walled. Only to a desperate progressive are these actions par for the course.

The excuse well has run dry Owner, time for Holder to man up and admit he broke the law.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:06:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		What evidence is this.......when will you guys open the secret envelope?


You need evidence of a broken law to call for someone to quit or it`s a witch-hunt.


Period.


Plamegate is still an open case if you cons are all rarin to do justice.....and all......


There....we have actual evidence of laws broken and obstruction of justice.....

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:09:19 AM   
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I like that--- a subrob garden variety every post lie told as a truth, without fact that lies about lies that never lied.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:12:44 AM   
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What evidence is this.......when will you guys open the secret envelope?


You need evidence of a broken law to call for someone to quit or it`s a witch-hunt.


Period.




They asked for it, Holder has yet to provide it, which in itself is illegal, hence the contempt charge. Once he does finally provide the documents specifically asked for, they will have the evidence... Issa knows it exists, Holder knows it exists, Holder is playing games because he doesn't want to go to jail.

Period.

Coming from a guy calling for Bush & Cheney's head over Valerie Plame, I'd think you would want Holder to comply, being the law and order type and all.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:18:29 AM   
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letters that were proven to be lies.

I like that--- a subrob garden variety every post lie told as a truth, without fact that lies about lies that never lied.


Which you still haven't proven to be lies in the first place... Did the DoJ write a letter accusing Mukasey of being responsible for F&F, yes or no? Did the DoJ not retract that letter after it was proven that Mukasey was no longer part of the BATFE at the time of F&F, yes or no? Did Eric Holder hold a press conference denying that Mukasey had any involvement with F&F and that the letter submitted to congress was erroneous, yes or no?

Cmon Chum, your weak attempts at insulting me aren't working.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:21:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		it is not illegal and he is not yet held in contempt.  Holder in jail?  That would be the epitome of fucking stupid for teabagggers and neo-cons.

Do they really want to get their ass handed to them from the supreme court? In public, just before the elections?  Cuz you can better believe the motherfuckers will cert that bitch and away we go for the fall.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:22:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ehhh...is`t just political.....cuz you guys have nothing else to offer....


I doubt the AG thinks he`ll be going to jail.........


Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice under bush and never went to prison......


He was just a pee-on that dick threw into the pit to avoid responsibility for leaking the ID of an American covert agent during a time of war......


Something......that used to matter to cons......


This is why we know you`re faking concern about fast & furious and playing fast & loose with the charges.


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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:28:22 AM   
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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:32:13 AM   
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letters that were proven to be lies.

I like that--- a subrob garden variety every post lie told as a truth, without fact that lies about lies that never lied.


Which you still haven't proven to be lies in the first place... Did the DoJ write a letter accusing Mukasey of being responsible for F&F, yes or no? Did the DoJ not retract that letter after it was proven that Mukasey was no longer part of the BATFE at the time of F&F, yes or no? Did Eric Holder hold a press conference denying that Mukasey had any involvement with F&F and that the letter submitted to congress was erroneous, yes or no?

Cmon Chum, your weak attempts at insulting me aren't working.


I am not insulting you, you insult yourself. 

Holder misstating and then retracting of his own accord is no lie.

To say it is illegal is a lie.
To say that there is a contempt charge is a lie.
thats just one post.

Unless you would like to retract it, in which case we will consider you only mistaken, so there will be one post on this board in which you did not perpetrate lies.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:34:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		So.........you have the secret envelope......?

Open it and tell us what laws were broken......please....

dick cheney is still alive if you law& order types are interested.


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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:42:04 AM   
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And it don't mean they will, if they aint found it in over 7000 documents, and all the hearings, I don't think Issa will come up with any more than he did in the Islamic witch hunt.  


The bolded part is dead ass right, too. No argument. But using the headline to make people think the Administration is blameless isn't exactly true.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:48:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny you are called a conspiracy theorist when you talk about a topic before it is on the mainstream news. Now it is on the mainstream news and it is being turned into a left/right political issue instead of a criminal one, which both the elephants and the donkeys are involved. Everyone involved needs to be prosecuted and this left/right bullshit needs to be discarded immediately! But it will keep up that way as long as the establishment's media machine says it's left/right.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 10:59:26 AM   
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"Everyone involved"

Involved in what?


Please be specific and use the full width of your freedom of speech we all enjoy.

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RE: Issa Admits White House Wasn’t Involved In Fast A... - 6/26/2012 11:11:10 AM   
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Involved in fast and furious. And also the coverup. No one should be able to hide behind executive privilege and/or the elephant and donkey. If you are a criminal, you need to be prosecuted. As simple as that.

And to be honest Fast and Furious should be considered terrorism because of the death and mayhem it has caused, and the fact that the increased cartel and gang violence this caused was going to be an excuse to toughen up gun liberties.

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