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ResidentSadist -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 2:02:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Fucking BDSM tourists never fail to astound me. [:)] I mentioned that term on another thread in another context. That's the other problem that I have with it. I see it coming already. My old profile used to say "tourists beware" What other thread? Gotta' link? I always enjoy reading your posts. [:)]

LanaDeVille -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 2:10:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist I am not joking. He gave her the books and offered her a house . . . it was a nice house. 5,700 sq ft house, on an acre, next to a forest (State Park). Had an outdoor garden, gazebo w/grill and an indoor pool. I don't don't know if he planned that as her dwelling where he visited her at his will or was gonna' stay there with her. He has a real nice house of his own. But yep, he expected her to read that book and go live there. I'll take the house.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 2:43:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanaDeVille quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist I am not joking. He gave her the books and offered her a house . . . it was a nice house. 5,700 sq ft house, on an acre, next to a forest (State Park). Had an outdoor garden, gazebo w/grill and an indoor pool. I don't don't know if he planned that as her dwelling where he visited her at his will or was gonna' stay there with her. He has a real nice house of his own. But yep, he expected her to read that book and go live there. I'll take the house. If only you were a midget shemale with a pet donkey, we could talk about a house for you baby! I find your lack of morals very appealing. You do realize you will have to switch your stripes and be a slave? However, I fear you may be too young (not worldly) to appeal to Christy's prospects. Whatever the case, you'll have to hook up with Christy if you want her leftovers. There are at least 4 other very wealthy men she has left on roadside in past few weeks. She has great taste in men. All her dates are wealthy but that is a byproduct of her requirements. Her men have to be very dominant, powerful and aggressive . . . money just comes naturally with power like that. [:)] Back to the thread, Christy just called about lunch tomorrow and I mentioned that I told her 50 Shades of Grey story on the forum. I told her about the thread title and mentioned what Missokyst said, "people take everything too seriously, imo. I think I read O before my teens... where it was hot, 25 where it was poorly written drivel, and 40 where it just pissed me off to think anyone might be such an idiot." She pointed out that when she mentioned 50 Shades of Grey on her Facebook all these vanilla people, friends, family her children etc all said they read it or were reading it. She went on to say that unlike Story of O and Beauty people in the vanilla world are familiar with it. We both pondered what impact that would end up having. Oh, she cleared it up and said the guy wanted to live in the house too.

LadyPact -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 2:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist My old profile used to say "tourists beware" What other thread? Gotta' link? I always enjoy reading your posts. [:)] http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4149876 There's the direct quote. It got to a good conversation at one point, even with the distractions, in the last few pages.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 3:05:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist My old profile used to say "tourists beware" What other thread? Gotta' link? I always enjoy reading your posts. [:)] http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4149876 There's the direct quote. It got to a good conversation at one point, even with the distractions, in the last few pages. Thanks for link. I had given up on that thread in the beginning, but as you pointed out, it did evolve into a nice conversation. As always, you are one of the people who's presence here makes this a better place. /My respect. And to the OP and readers, pardon the minor hijack. We now return to regularly scheduled programing and topic.

Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 3:18:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist quote: ORIGINAL: Moonlightmaddnes quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Some guy with decent intellect and all the criteria to make him potential relationship material just flew in for a date with my ex (christycougar). He bought her a copy of 50 Shades of Grey trilogy . . . then started in about buying her house up north and asked her to tell her friends she will be signing a contract soon etc. Yup, that was the end of him. Poor sucker, lost out on a fine submissive piece womanhood . . . all because of trying to shove a BDSM fantasy from some erotic novel into reality. Maybe it was her history in porn that made him think she would bite off into that dumb shit? Do people think porn stars are stupid, they are all for sale? A porn actress often has more overall common sense, firmer limits and a better grip on reality than the average girl because she interacts with so many people on an intimate level. She has to be well grounded. You can't go, "here is house, you my bitch now . . . read these 3 books and tell your friends" . . . ROFLMNAO If we are gonna' trade fantasies for shelter, someone get me a midget shemale nun and a donkey please... I have a spare house for them. Fucking BDSM tourists never fail to astound me. [:)] Really? I hope you are joking? No sane person would say oh well since you bought me a book then of course I will. I really hope you are joking otherwise I am shaking my head in shock. I am not joking. He gave her the books and offered her a house . . . it was a nice house. 5,700 sq ft house, on an acre, next to a forest (State Park). Had an outdoor garden, gazebo w/grill and an indoor pool. I don't don't know if he planned that as her dwelling where he visited her at his will or was gonna' stay there with her. He has a real nice house of his own. But yep, he expected her to read that book and go live there. Wow! He sounds desperate or nuts. I would have back away very quickly. Of course I am very cynical and I do not trust people. Everything comes with strings attached.

LanaDeVille -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 3:25:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist quote: ORIGINAL: LanaDeVille quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist I am not joking. He gave her the books and offered her a house . . . it was a nice house. 5,700 sq ft house, on an acre, next to a forest (State Park). Had an outdoor garden, gazebo w/grill and an indoor pool. I don't don't know if he planned that as her dwelling where he visited her at his will or was gonna' stay there with her. He has a real nice house of his own. But yep, he expected her to read that book and go live there. I'll take the house. If only you were a midget shemale with a pet donkey, we could talk about a house for you baby! I find your lack of morals very appealing. You do realize you will have to switch your stripes and be a slave? However, I fear you may be too young (not worldly) to appeal to Christy's prospects. Whatever the case, you'll have to hook up with Christy if you want her leftovers. There are at least 4 other very wealthy men she has left on roadside in past few weeks. She has great taste in men. All her dates are wealthy but that is a byproduct of her requirements. Her men have to be very dominant, powerful and aggressive . . . money just comes naturally with power like that. [:)] Back to the thread, Christy just called about lunch tomorrow and I mentioned that I told her 50 Shades of Grey story on the forum. I told her about the thread title and mentioned what Missokyst said, "people take everything too seriously, imo. I think I read O before my teens... where it was hot, 25 where it was poorly written drivel, and 40 where it just pissed me off to think anyone might be such an idiot." She pointed out that when she mentioned 50 Shades of Grey on her Facebook all these vanilla people, friends, family her children etc all said they read it or were reading it. She went on to say that unlike Story of O and Beauty people in the vanilla world are familiar with it. We both pondered what impact that would end up having. Oh, she cleared it up and said the guy wanted to live in the house too. If I turned into a midget shemale none of my clothes would fit. ;) And I don't entirely agree with that quote about money coming any naturally to men like that as opposed to other men, but okay.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 4:11:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanaDeVille If I turned into a midget shemale none of my clothes would fit. ;) And I don't entirely agree with that quote about money coming any naturally to men like that as opposed to other men, but okay. I suspect that if you had no clothes, it would only serve to enhance your appeal whether you were a midget or not. Out of politeness, I will refrain from asking how you feel about pet donkeys. [:)] As far as money finding its way to those with power, perhaps it would have been better put if I had said, money eventually finds it way to those with power. It's a funny thing. Money is a form of power. It allows you the freedom to do what you want when you want. Usually, those who are dominant, powerful and aggressive, like to have money because it is an extension of power and control. Given time and with age, the powerful often make a point of collecting some money along the way. However, I respect your perspective to the contrary. But lets get back on track about BDSM literature. You are very young and it intrigues me to know if you have read much about BDSM? If you would not mind answering, I would love to know if you have you read the erotica like the ones mentioned in the OP or the manuals? Do you find people your age hung up trying to live erotic fantasies from novels or are they generally more practical and down to earth? There are some pretty common middle aged stereotypes. One is a bored submissive by personality housewife that read too much BDSM style erotica and comes into the real world BDSM society. She is searching for a Dom to "force" her to live the erotic fantasies from novels she's read. It's the forced slavery fantasy. Unfortunately, having a submissive personality has nothing to do with taking the submissive role in a relationship, nor does it give you the skill set for it. Although some manage to cross over, the failures usually end up comically or a tragic failure . . . especially when the rapture wears off and she finds she has ruined the life she left behind. I have seen housewives abandon husbands and children to go live with Lord So and So, Master of the House of So and So to become his new slave . . . rose and collar ceremony et al. I don't imagine someone in your age bracket being a bored housewife, bored with life and willing to chuck it all for some fantasy that will wear thin quickly. Then end up staring at an ugly reality because of the mess they made.

LanaDeVille -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 8:31:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist But lets get back on track about BDSM literature. You are very young and it intrigues me to know if you have read much about BDSM? If you would not mind answering, I would love to know if you have you read the erotica like the ones mentioned in the OP or the manuals? Do you find people your age hung up trying to live erotic fantasies from novels or are they generally more practical and down to earth? Yes. I have a read much about BDSM. However, I generally don't fancy BDSM fiction, mostly because it's fluff reading and it rarely provides me with the stimulation that I need. Take "stimulation" as you will. ;) I tried reading The Beauty Trilogy and it bored me. I much prefer manuals, even though they fall into repetitiveness after a while (I still haven't read a few of The Toybag Guides though; I should definitely go back to those). Also, I dislike most books unless they're nonfiction, but I do fancy poetry and short stories in general. So I have read some erotic short stories. But I'm remarkably picky about what draws my interest. I wouldn't say that my age group is particularly exempt from bouts of fanaticism and false expectations when it comes to BDSM, or anything really. As I currently understand it, the idea for 50 Shades of Grey was based of The Twilight Saga. If you've ever seen a premiere for one of those movies you'll see a hundred teenagers bouncing up and down. And right beside them are a myriad of housewives wearing "Team Jacob" shirts. I think the expectations come down solely to the individual. I think people that get so swept up like that are probably less grounded across the board and that trickles into BDSM and D/s.

DesFIP -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 8:44:41 PM)
We were in the hardware store and some college coed came in asking for the biggest S hook they have and then four or five feet of this really wimpy little chain. "For a plant hanger for a friend". The Man said he's been hearing that this is now the big seller in hardware stores as a result of Gray. He had a great desire to tell this child that Gray is fiction, and if she does this, she's going to be on the floor when the chain breaks, but refrained.

Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 8:58:21 PM)
quote: I have seen housewives abandon husbands and children to go live with Lord So and So, Master of the House of So and So to become his new slave . . . rose and collar ceremony et al. I don't imagine someone in your age bracket being a bored housewife, bored with life and willing to chuck it all for some fantasy that will wear thin quickly. Then end up staring at an ugly reality because of the mess they made. Yikes. Yes it would be a hard slap in the face when reality dawned and the fun fantasy wore off.

ForgetMeKnots -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 10:37:44 PM)
~FR~ Some spoilers for those of you that haven’t read either 50 Shades or Beauty. I’ve read both Beauty and the 50 shades -- the first books of each series-- and I wasn’t terribly impressed by either. Both had abundant masturbation material, but lacked so much in the story that it wasn’t worth reading the rest of the series. (For me, in my opinion.) Regarding 50 Shades -- I like that the book is bringing the ideas of BDSM to a wider audience. If reading this book helps some bored housewife ask her husband for a more satisfying sex life, then well done Ms. James. Who knows, someone may pick up 50 Shades and read it, then go to SM 101 or something of the like. That said, I believe 50 didn’t do any real life people any favors. I’ve never met a submissive that was so wishy-washy and weak willed. Her inner fight was both boring and maddening. I REALLY disliked how his dominance was explained by a crack-whore mother who didn’t love and take care of him. That made me want to throw the book across the room. Yay stereotypes!! Regarding Beauty-- Reading that book was both erotic and disturbing, and while one scene is still my favorite go-to fantasy, over all it left me feeling gross. I don’t know WHY, but it did. Just my opinion. I’d really like to read some books where BDSM is interwoven with real life. And, I really love the term “tourist”!

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 10:42:50 PM)
HEY! Where ya BEEN?? And I expect nothing of smut but entertainment. I am very picky about my entertainments, so most smut doesnt interest me all that much.

ForgetMeKnots -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/24/2012 10:53:40 PM)
~Smooches to the Hib-ster~ I've been keeping myself busy, but keeping my toes in via the other site. How ya doing, DAHHHLING? How is life? And I'm not down on the book because it was smut-- I LIKE SMUT. I dislike poorly written pieces that use easy outs like a bad childhood or a weak-willed woman to advance the plot.

kitkat105 -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 3:20:20 AM)
I hate Twilight. There's no chance in hell I'm going to read some wannabe Twi-hard fanfic. Reality and fiction are very different places.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 7:57:29 AM)
I used to read A LOT of fiction. I used to actually have time to read... The way I look at fiction, I don't care what the subject matter is, if it is well written, I will read it. I don't expect realism out of fiction. I understand that it is FICTION. However, it has been my experience that there are a lot of people, we've seen them on these forums, that tend to blur the lines of fiction and what is realistic. I think that is often the danger, even with relatively sane and intelligent individuals. I've known women that read romance novels and complain that their husbands/boyfriends are not 'real men' or not romantic enough. They begin to expect that actual physically real men, are mind readers and look like Fabio. Earth is not Gor. Nor is it a land of vampires, witches, whatever the current fad is. What it boils down to, to me.......people read fiction to escape. If they are unhappy and in an unhappy relationship, they are going to fantasize about the fiction they are reading being their life. I think that can be a losing path because they can begin comparing their reality to a fantasy that just cannot exist.

kalikshama -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 7:58:04 AM)
quote: Try The Marketplace series by Laura Antoniou. IMO, The Marketplace is better written than 50 Shades, the two Gor books I've started and not been able to finish, and the Beauty series. quote: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? I have low expectations for free erotica found online. I expect anything from a major publisher to be decently edited. 50 Shades is ok wank material but the execution is so poor that it should have stayed free fan fiction. In the 50 Shades thread there's a link to where you can download the original Master of the Universe for free.

kalikshama -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 8:04:35 AM)
quote: I haven't read the Vampire chronicles. Is it another Twilight or Vampire Diaries? Perhaps the name confused you. The first book in the series is Interview with the Vampire, which came out in 1976 and was made into a film with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in 1994. I very much enjoyed "Interview," and less so everything else written by Anne Rice. Of course, I was around 13 when I first read it...I'm curious to see how I'd feel now that my mature standards are so much higher. I didn't care for her latest, "The Wolf Gift," which I did finish but without much pleasure.

RemoteUser -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 8:32:16 AM)
I really can't be bothered to read what's out there. My internal editor kicks in and the next thing you know, /facepalm. That's true for a lot of genres. I prefer to write over reading, and if the result passes the facepalm forward so be it. I appreciate my screw-ups far more than being subjected to the screw-ups of others; the lessons presented are more poignant.

OsideGirl -> RE: Do we expect too much out if BDSM Literature? (6/25/2012 8:37:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ldeathnote Thank you so much having this post.I really believe that the 50 shades series is the worst book ever written other the twilight sage because of the way that the authors have no idea of what they are writing about in the first place. There was a quote from Stephen King that I thought was epic: "The Harry Potter books are about doing the right thing when faced with something that seems insurmountable. The Twilight books are about how important it is to have a boyfriend."

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