RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire

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Sanity -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 7:14:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery There are no fiscally conservative Republicans A blatant lie quote: -- they want to rely on magically "growing" our way into a surplus and cutting the programs they oppose anyway, while continuing to fund military projects the military doesn't even want and cutting taxes to further worsen the situation. Even with rapid growth (not likely), the numbers just aren't there. Followed by a pathetic strawman argument Though I can agree that while Republicans havent been conservative enough generally, they are the lesser of two fiscal evils and need more Tea Party influence Though the lefts propaganda may try viciously to dispute that

Hillwilliam -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 7:19:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery There are no fiscally conservative Republicans A blatant lie Stop the presses, I'm agreeing with Sanity. There are a few Fiscally conservative Republicans. Unfortunately, most aren't.

Musicmystery -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 7:21:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery There are no fiscally conservative Republicans A blatant lie quote: -- they want to rely on magically "growing" our way into a surplus and cutting the programs they oppose anyway, while continuing to fund military projects the military doesn't even want and cutting taxes to further worsen the situation. Even with rapid growth (not likely), the numbers just aren't there. Followed by a pathetic strawman argument Though I can agree that while Republicans havent been conservative enough generally, they are the lesser of two fiscal evils and need more Tea Party influence Now wait a second. How so? Is that not precisely the sum of their proposals? I'm serious. Where's the error? I don't think there is one, and that this is an accurate repetition, not characterization, of their positions. It's even what they're running on. How is that a straw man? On the Teas, yeah, we're gonna disagree strongly. They're well-intentioned as far as reigning in spending, but clueless to the realities of governing effectively. Unlike St. Ronnie, it's not just that simple. And I agree that this doesn't make Dems economic heroes by default. It doesn't.

mnottertail -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 7:36:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery There are no fiscally conservative Republicans A blatant lie Stop the presses, I'm agreeing with Sanity. There are a few Fiscally conservative Republicans. Unfortunately, most aren't. Fiscally conservative in rhetoric, but not fiscally responsible. I would be interested in those names....and how so....

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 7:58:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple FR Mrs Romney has preexisting conditions doesn't she? She has MS and is a breast cancer survivor. Does she have insurance coverage? Not that she needs it married to Mr Moneybags. I wonder if they have Sucks To Be You bumperstickers on all their cars? You know the ones they keep in that elevator garage they're building in one of their mansions. Apparently, Mr. and Mrs. Romney think everyone else with pre-existing conditions deserves to die unless they live in Massachusetts.

papassion -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 8:47:32 AM)
Anything that costs money contributes to bankrupting an economy. How much healthcare will a bankrupt government be able to provide? What part of "unsustainable" don't Liberals comprehend? Pay union workers 1000/week, 4 day workweek, 4 hour workday, retire at 50 at full pay. Yeah, Liberals think that will work! After all, they say, all you have to do is print more money!

mnottertail -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 8:53:57 AM)
I dont know, apparently they understand unsustainable in a way that conservatives don't because it is the republicans that have run us up into the debt.

Deliena -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 9:24:31 AM)
OK firstly I am a socialist not a liberal. You may have been confused by the fact that I am not American and therefore liberal means something different to me. Secondly, yes I realise that the money to support social funding has to come from somewhere, that's called taxation. I consider that the rich pay high tax, corporations should pay high tax and the middle wage earners middle rate tax and the poor little or no tax depending on income. It's called a monetary policy. It works. It works in lots of places. Your argument doesn't hold water. Healthcare didn't cause the problems that the European economies that are linked by the Euro are facing. None of them are claiming it caused it, it is however causing them to change how they distribute the money they have within their economies because that is now necessary. There is nothing unsustainable about paying people living wages for reasonable working hours and taxing them accordingly, in fact that's strong fiscal policy. I have no idea who mentioned printing more money, I know I certainly didn't and the reason I didn't is because that is called devalueing a currency and isn't a fiscally sensible policy unless you are looking to drive up inflation.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 11:01:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple FR Mrs Romney has preexisting conditions doesn't she? She has MS and is a breast cancer survivor. Does she have insurance coverage? Not that she needs it married to Mr Moneybags. I wonder if they have Sucks To Be You bumperstickers on all their cars? You know the ones they keep in that elevator garage they're building in one of their mansions. The Romneys need not worry about whether they are covered by insurance or not. What boggles my mind is that many people who vote Republican do, actually, have to worry about whether they have insurance coverage or not. And they still vote for these types of policies.

Sanity -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 11:45:53 AM)
Its only leftists who want people to die How? From the eventual Greece-like collapse of their little slice of socialist heaven when they run out of other peoples' money, of course The evil sick twisted bastards... But to the point, is it really insurance if you can buy coverage for preexisting conditions In other words, if you can wait until you get sick to buy coverage how is it any longer "insurance" quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Apparently, Mr. and Mrs. Romney think everyone else with pre-existing conditions deserves to die unless they live in Massachusetts.

mnottertail -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 11:48:39 AM)
Well actually, the rightists are heading us right down to Greece as fast as they can. You see Greeces big problem, like our rightists here is they want things but dont want to pay for them, thats why they are where they are.

Sanity -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 11:50:45 AM)
Just raise taxes... [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Anything that costs money contributes to bankrupting an economy. How much healthcare will a bankrupt government be able to provide? What part of "unsustainable" don't Liberals comprehend? Pay union workers 1000/week, 4 day workweek, 4 hour workday, retire at 50 at full pay. Yeah, Liberals think that will work! After all, they say, all you have to do is print more money!

mnottertail -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 11:54:39 AM)
Invading a country under false pretenses and borrowing to do it while lowering revenues is a much quicker path to destruction than any other way.

Lucylastic -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 12:10:35 PM)
No No Ron, its AALL lefties faults, you know it, [8\|] europe has had socialist healthcare for half a century(and more) and now its all come down to this, bankruptcy and deaths on the streets with no healthcare for anyone. Question tho is how so many righties have lost the cheese off their crackers. Attempting to stir their particular brand of Bullshit is making me laugh and thats all its worth.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 12:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its only leftists who want people to die How? From the eventual Greece-like collapse of their little slice of socialist heaven when they run out of other peoples' money, of course The evil sick twisted bastards... But to the point, is it really insurance if you can buy coverage for preexisting conditions In other words, if you can wait until you get sick to buy coverage how is it any longer "insurance" quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Apparently, Mr. and Mrs. Romney think everyone else with pre-existing conditions deserves to die unless they live in Massachusetts. Health care shouldn't be insurable except for cosmetic procedures. Refusal to pay a homeowners insurance claims doesn't kill anyone like refusal to pay for health care.

Winterapple -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 12:29:34 PM)
FR I don't envy or begrudge the Romney's for the toys their money can buy. The super rich and their dupes er their allies indulge in class warfare themselves. They have always vilified the poor, now they are vilifying the working and middle classes. I'm not sure how people seeking to buy insurance coverage can be painted as people seeking a handout but they can now be added to the list of people bleeding the country dry. Mrs Romney's life was saved by medical care. She has a chronic condition, an autoimmune disease that requires regular medical attention. It you find yourself in the same boat minus her privilege, well, sucks to be you. And let them cake. Mrs Romney's life

Musicmystery -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 3:40:19 PM)
quote: In other words, if you can wait until you get sick to buy coverage how is it any longer "insurance" Which is the point of national health care coverage--you don't wait.

Sanity -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 3:41:50 PM)
Sure, people can suffer and die for a lack of shelter. Same with food... Do you believe that everything should be free? At least, everything thats needed to survive? Should there be no incentive whatsoever for one to be self sufficient? If so, how could such a leisurely lifestyle for the lazy masses possibly be funded. Perhaps we could establish a slave class, and call them "the wealthy" quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Health care shouldn't be insurable except for cosmetic procedures. Refusal to pay a homeowners insurance claims doesn't kill anyone like refusal to pay for health care.

Musicmystery -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 3:43:01 PM)
quote: What part of "unsustainable" don't Liberals comprehend? The same part Bush didn't understand--cutting a surplus in good times with no plan for tougher times isn't sustainable. The tax structure was working fine before the tax cuts. Then starting two wars with no funding on top. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?

Sanity -> RE: Romney Plan for Pre-Existing Conditions Draws Dem Fire (6/15/2012 3:46:45 PM)
Obamas and the Dems' idea isnt "free" nationalized health care though, like they have in Greece. Their plan is to use the IRS to force individuals to pay their neighbors' health care Buy "insurance" or else quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: In other words, if you can wait until you get sick to buy coverage how is it any longer "insurance" Which is the point of national health care coverage--you don't wait.

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