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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 10:46:39 AM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Which is supposed to mean what, Thompson? I've posted direct and easily accessed links twice now that specifically say the Green is not listed as an endangered species, and has no special conservation status.

Just because you post in bold, and now with attempts at links and cryptic snips from somewhere doesn't change the fact that you posted nonsense. Hunting restrictions (I'm assuming - this 'puter has a weird allergy to Adobe Acrobat, and your snip was meaningless without context) are not a conservation status, and certainly don't mean a critter is on the endangered list.




The official current publication from the california department of fish and game says that it is illegal.
If you choose to deny that you may also deny that the callifornia department of fish and game exist.
I provided the proof you ask for by linking you to the primary source which you, for your own reasons, found too difficult to navigate. To help you out ,I took you by the hand and led you through the difficult process of clicking on the link and which section,chapter paragraph and line to read.
Believe what you choose...your ignorance is not my concern.

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 10:57:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Which is supposed to mean what, Thompson? I've posted direct and easily accessed links twice now that specifically say the Green is not listed as an endangered species, and has no special conservation status.

Just because you post in bold, and now with attempts at links and cryptic snips from somewhere doesn't change the fact that you posted nonsense. Hunting restrictions (I'm assuming - this 'puter has a weird allergy to Adobe Acrobat, and your snip was meaningless without context) are not a conservation status, and certainly don't mean a critter is on the endangered list.




The official current publication from the california department of fish and game says that it is illegal.
If you choose to deny that you may also deny that the callifornia department of fish and game exist.
I provided the proof you ask for by linking you to the primary source which you, for your own reasons, found too difficult to navigate. To help you out ,I took you by the hand and led you through the difficult process of clicking on the link and which section,chapter paragraph and line to read.
Believe what you choose...your ignorance is not my concern.


I think you folks are confusing the difference between an animal that is endangered/threatened and one that is just illegal to kill.

For obvious reasons, ALL endangered species are illegal to kill (except in very special curcumstances) but there are many animals that are quite common that are illegal to kill.
Raptors, Songbirds, Many species of snakes, etc.

I hope that helps.

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 12:28:11 PM   
thompsonx


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Which is supposed to mean what, Thompson? I've posted direct and easily accessed links twice now that specifically say the Green is not listed as an endangered species, and has no special conservation status.

Just because you post in bold, and now with attempts at links and cryptic snips from somewhere doesn't change the fact that you posted nonsense. Hunting restrictions (I'm assuming - this 'puter has a weird allergy to Adobe Acrobat, and your snip was meaningless without context) are not a conservation status, and certainly don't mean a critter is on the endangered list.




The official current publication from the california department of fish and game says that it is illegal.
If you choose to deny that you may also deny that the callifornia department of fish and game exist.
I provided the proof you ask for by linking you to the primary source which you, for your own reasons, found too difficult to navigate. To help you out ,I took you by the hand and led you through the difficult process of clicking on the link and which section,chapter paragraph and line to read.
Believe what you choose...your ignorance is not my concern.


I think you folks are confusing the difference between an animal that is endangered/threatened and one that is just illegal to kill.

For obvious reasons, ALL endangered species are illegal to kill (except in very special curcumstances) but there are many animals that are quite common that are illegal to kill.
Raptors, Songbirds, Many species of snakes, etc.

I hope that helps.



Only if you will tell us why it is illegal to kill them.
If you read the pdf I linked to you would have noticed that it is not only illegal to kill them but to capture,or molest them.

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 12:51:39 PM   
Hillwilliam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Which is supposed to mean what, Thompson? I've posted direct and easily accessed links twice now that specifically say the Green is not listed as an endangered species, and has no special conservation status.

Just because you post in bold, and now with attempts at links and cryptic snips from somewhere doesn't change the fact that you posted nonsense. Hunting restrictions (I'm assuming - this 'puter has a weird allergy to Adobe Acrobat, and your snip was meaningless without context) are not a conservation status, and certainly don't mean a critter is on the endangered list.




The official current publication from the california department of fish and game says that it is illegal.
If you choose to deny that you may also deny that the callifornia department of fish and game exist.
I provided the proof you ask for by linking you to the primary source which you, for your own reasons, found too difficult to navigate. To help you out ,I took you by the hand and led you through the difficult process of clicking on the link and which section,chapter paragraph and line to read.
Believe what you choose...your ignorance is not my concern.


I think you folks are confusing the difference between an animal that is endangered/threatened and one that is just illegal to kill.

For obvious reasons, ALL endangered species are illegal to kill (except in very special curcumstances) but there are many animals that are quite common that are illegal to kill.
Raptors, Songbirds, Many species of snakes, etc.

I hope that helps.



Only if you will tell us why it is illegal to kill them.
If you read the pdf I linked to you would have noticed that it is not only illegal to kill them but to capture,or molest them.


The only thing I can say there is that the guvmint said so. As you are well aware, they don't have to have a good reason LOL.

ETA the reason that they don't want vipers to be killed or molested is probably to keep people out of emergency rooms.

"Pet owners of domestic animals or snakes should be aware that a snake is capable of causing injury and that it is necessary to always act with caution. When handling snakes it is never wise to consume alcoholic beverages. In the United States more than 40% of snakebite victims intentionally put themselves in harm's way by attempting to capture wild snakes or by carelessly handling their dangerous pets—"

from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakebite

Personally, I think 40% is a bit low. Bottom line is that a lot of people are bitten because they're fucking with a snake. Leave it alone and you won't be bitten.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 5/15/2012 1:02:49 PM >


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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 1:50:59 PM   
thompsonx


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quote:

I think you folks are confusing the difference between an animal that is endangered/threatened and one that is just illegal to kill.


I think you are being obtuse

quote:

For obvious reasons, ALL endangered species are illegal to kill (except in very special curcumstances) but there are many animals that are quite common that are illegal to kill.
Raptors, Songbirds, Many species of snakes, etc.


Perhaps you could give us a cite to validate this.

I hope that helps.



quote:

Only if you will tell us why it is illegal to kill them.
If you read the pdf I linked to you would have noticed that it is not only illegal to kill them but to capture,or molest them.



quote:

The only thing I can say there is that the guvmint said so. As you are well aware, they don't have to have a good reason LOL.

ETA the reason that they don't want vipers to be killed or molested is probably to keep people out of emergency rooms.


Why then, does the cal.dfg say it is ok to kill some pit vipers but not others?

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 5:48:01 PM   
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Had you read what I provided for you, Thompson, helpfully quoted and even enlarged, in case you need large print, you'd have noticed that humans are in the same category as Mojave Greens, on the definitive list for conservation status.

It's illegal to kill them too, except under certain circumstances.

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/15/2012 7:59:21 PM   
Hillwilliam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

I think you folks are confusing the difference between an animal that is endangered/threatened and one that is just illegal to kill.


I think you are being obtuse

quote:

For obvious reasons, ALL endangered species are illegal to kill (except in very special curcumstances) but there are many animals that are quite common that are illegal to kill.
Raptors, Songbirds, Many species of snakes, etc.


Perhaps you could give us a cite to validate this.

I hope that helps.



quote:

Only if you will tell us why it is illegal to kill them.
If you read the pdf I linked to you would have noticed that it is not only illegal to kill them but to capture,or molest them.



quote:

The only thing I can say there is that the guvmint said so. As you are well aware, they don't have to have a good reason LOL.

ETA the reason that they don't want vipers to be killed or molested is probably to keep people out of emergency rooms.


Why then, does the cal.dfg say it is ok to kill some pit vipers but not others?

Regarding your first statement.

I think you are being obtuse

If one doesn't know that some animals that aren't endangered are illegal to kill, they are stupid beyone rescussitation. Read your state laws.

Regarding your second statement

Perhaps you could give us a cite to validate this.
Read your own state's game laws or better yet, go out and start blowing away some hawks or redwinged blackbirds.
Don't bother to write us from jail.

Regarding your third statement. I have no idea why the government says it is ok to kill some snakes but not others. I daresay that noone any more knows why the government does anything they do because it, in most cases, defies all logic.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 5/15/2012 8:01:47 PM >


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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/16/2012 9:06:00 AM   
thompsonx


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Had you read what I provided for you, Thompson, helpfully quoted and even enlarged, in case you need large print, you'd have noticed that humans are in the same category as Mojave Greens, on the definitive list for conservation status.

It's illegal to kill them too, except under certain circumstances.



You post has just won the award for the most ignorant post of the day.
Humans are not an endangered specie but are protected specie by the constitution.
The mojave rattlesnake is a protected specie because they are part of the food chain and are in danger of extinction. If you are not ware of how the food chain works perhaps you should ask google to disabuse you of your ignorance.
btw: Rich, it is nice to see that after all of these years you have finally decided to spell my name right.
Is it possible that civility breeds civility?

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/16/2012 9:12:10 AM   
Hillwilliam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Had you read what I provided for you, Thompson, helpfully quoted and even enlarged, in case you need large print, you'd have noticed that humans are in the same category as Mojave Greens, on the definitive list for conservation status.

It's illegal to kill them too, except under certain circumstances.



You post has just won the award for the most ignorant post of the day.
Humans are not an endangered specie but are protected specie by the constitution.
The mojave rattlesnake is a protected specie because they are part of the food chain and are in danger of extinction. If you are not ware of how the food chain works perhaps you should ask google to disabuse you of your ignorance.
btw: Rich, it is nice to see that after all of these years you have finally decided to spell my name right.
Is it possible that civility breeds civility?


I know it's a bit off topic but you mentioned having them for dinner.

What's your favorite recipe for rattlesnake?

I prefer to skin, clean and immediately chill.

Then, instead of filleting, I just cut into inch long U shaped chunks and a quick dip into an egg wash followed by seasoned corn flour and quicky fry.
Add a bit of remoulade sauce and yum. Do you have a better recipe as Im always on the lQQkout?

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 5/16/2012 9:16:19 AM >


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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/16/2012 9:23:44 AM   
thompsonx


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quote:

Regarding your first statement.


I think you are being obtuse.

quote:

If one doesn't know that some animals that aren't endangered are illegal to kill, they are stupid beyone rescussitation. Read your state laws.


I would be most agreeaable to reading any state laws that you can link me to that say such.

quote:

Regarding your second statement


Perhaps you could give us a cite to validate this.

quote:


Read your own state's game laws or better yet, go out and start blowing away some hawks or redwinged blackbirds.
Don't bother to write us from jail.


All I have asked you to do is show me the law that says I cannot "blow away some hawks or redwing blackbirds" that are based on something other than preservation of a protected specie. Until you can do that you are dealing in opinion and not fact. You made the statement it is up to you to validate it.

quote:

Regarding your third statement. I have no idea why the government says it is ok to kill some snakes but not others.


That is the difference between our positions...I do know.
The gov. says it is not ok to kill protected specie becaus they are a part of the food chain that is in danger of becoming extinct. If you do not understand the importance of the food chain then may I suggest you allow google to disabuse you of your ignorance mr. science teacher.


quote:

I daresay that noone any more knows why the government does anything they do because it, in most cases, defies all logic.


I do. It does not defy logic at all.
Any plumber knows:
Payday is on tursday.
Shit flows down hill.
Never bite your fingernails.
As long as corporate amerika is in charge the name of the game is to shear the sheep as closely as possible. Acquies only to that which improves your position.

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RE: Feds May Outlaw Treading On Tea Party's Favorite Snake - 5/16/2012 9:36:46 AM   
thompsonx


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I know it's a bit off topic but you mentioned having them for dinner.

What's your favorite recipe for rattlesnake?

I prefer to skin, clean and immediately chill.

Then, instead of filleting, I just cut into inch long U shaped chunks and a quick dip into an egg wash followed by seasoned corn flour and quicky fry.
Add a bit of remoulade sauce and yum. Do you have a better recipe as Im always on the lQQkout?


Filleting a rattlesnake is something I would difer to a somoan,( I have seen my stepdad fillet a roc cod with two strokes and the resulting bone plate has so little meat on it you could read a newspaper through it). I know some of the "big boys" can be 8" in diameter but here in the bottom of the mojave they seldom exceed 2" in diameter so, like you, I chop them into steaks about an inch or so long. I prep like you do but I steam them like shrimp instead of frying...the meat like shrimp is fragil and does not react well to over cookng. After steaming to translucense I pull them and then just dip in any of several sauces. I have done just lemon and butter on the barbie but you have to be cautious about over cooking...kinda like lobster but with bones.

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