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If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 12:07:04 PM   
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Last week, Austin, Texas, Police Chief Art Acevedo publicly apologized to Michael Paxton over the death of his dog Cisco. Paxton was playing fetch with the Australian cattle dog in his backyard when a police officer pulled into the driveway in response to a 911 call. The officer had the wrong house. When Paxton left the yard to get something from his truck, he said the officer confronted him. Cisco ran around from the back, toward the officer. The officer simultaneously ordered Paxton to put his hands in the air and to restrain his dog. The officer then shot the dog.

Cisco's death made national news. Paxton's Facebook page detailing the killing and calling for a reprimand of the officer, has generated more than 100,000 "likes." But Paxton isn't the first dog owner whose pet has been shot to death by police. A search of news articles from the past year shows more than 100 separate incidents.

There are no national records of dogs shot by cops. There isn't even good national data on the number of people shot by police. As a result, there's no way to tell if pet killings by police are increasing in frequency. The increased attention may be due to awareness or to news outlets more likely to report them. Pet owners also can publicize the incidents through social media. And with public surveillance, cell phone cameras, and security cameras, there is more likely to be video of a shooting. Sites that include "Dogs That Cops Killed" and the Facebook group "Dogs Shot by Police" track new incidents and allow grieving owners to share stories. The activism site Change.org also now includes calls for action in similar cases, with petitions like "Justice for Big Boy," and "Justice for Bud."

When police officers shoot dogs, departments usually deem the shooting justified if the officer felt threatened by the animal. But an officer's perception doesn't always mean the animal actually was a threat. In recent years, police officers have shot and killed chihuahuas, miniature dachshunds, Wheaton terriers, and Jack Russell terriers. Last month, a California police officer shot and killed a boxer puppy and pregnant chihuahua, claiming the boxer had threatened him. The chihuahua, he said, got caught in the crossfire. When a San Bernardino, Calif., woman called police to report a burglary in progress behind her house last month, they responded, jumped her fence to confront the burglars, then shot her dalmatian mix, Julio. He survived. Police officers have also recently shot dogs that were chained, tied, or leashed -- obviously posing no real threat to officers who killed them. Given how often police officers encounter pets, one would think training for handling dogs would be common. An officer untrained in recognizing a dog's body language, for example, could easily mistake a bounding dog from a charging one, a nervous dog from an angry one, or an aggressive dog from one that's merely territorial. Groups like the Humane Society and the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals offer free training to police departments, but both organizations said few departments take them up on the offer. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle are among departments that don't provide regular training to officers on how to respond to dogs.

Contrast that to the U.S. Postal Service, another government organization whose employees regularly come into contact with pets. A Postal Service spokesman said in a 2009 interview that serious dog attacks on mail carriers are extremely rare. That's likely because postal workers are annually shown a two-hour video and given further training on "how to distract dogs with toys, subdue them with voice commands, or, at worst, incapacitate them with Mace." 

In drug raids, killing any dog in the house has become almost perfunctory. In this video of a 2008 drug raid in Columbia, Mo., you can see police kill two dogs, including one as it retreats. Despite police assurance that the dogs were menacing, the video depicts the officers discussing who will kill the dogs before they even arrive at the house. During a raid in Durham, N.C., last year, police shot and killed a black Lab they claimed "appeared to growl and make aggressive moves." But in video of the raid taken by a local news station, the dog appears to make no such gestures.

Many criminals -- particularly drug dealers -- protect themselves with aggressive dogs trained to attack intruders. But shooting the animals as a matter of procedure can sometimes be dangerous to police. During a 2008 raid in Lima, Ohio, one officer heard his fellow officer shooting dogs in the home and mistook the shots for hostile gunfire. Thinking he was under attack, he opened fire at shadows coming from an upstairs bedroom. In that room, 24-year-old Tarika Wilson was on her knees, as she had been instructed, with one hand in the air and her other arm holding her year-old son. Wilson was killed, and the boy lost a hand. During a 2007 raid in Stockton, Calif., a police officer inadvertently wounded Kari Bailey, 23, and her 5-year-old daughter Hailey while trying to kill the family dog. (The police had shown up at the wrong address.) Last month, one officer firing at pit bulls in Minneapolis accidentally shot a fellow cop.


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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 12:57:47 PM   
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I recall the police coming to my door to question a car they found next door that had been stolen. They knocked, I opened the inside door, leaving the glass door closed... I owned a huge black lab. The officers took three steps back and fingered their guns... and all Ozzy did was sit when told. Now, since Ozzy was 150 - 160 lbs at the time, I could understand being nervous.. however, they were jumpy as hell. I sent Ozzy into the other room, stepped out on the porch to talk to the police. Before they left, they said... that is one evil looking dog. I said yeah, so evil that he allows a child to pull and bite on his ears.

I do have to questions how a dog owner is supposed to restrain his dog while his hands are in the air.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 12:59:58 PM   
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All I know is that, if they start shooting at my dogs I will likely end up dead too.

We are a one for all, all for one, kinda crew.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:06:37 PM   
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Us too.
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

All I know is that, if they start shooting at my dogs I will likely end up dead too.

We are a one for all, all for one, kinda crew.



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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:08:32 PM   
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I think the larger point is that a lot of cops really should not be cops. They are power mad and have no respect for the people they are supposed to protect and serve

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:14:50 PM   
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Leave the puppy dogs alone!

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:15:56 PM   
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quote:

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I think the larger point is that a lot of cops really should not be cops. They are power mad and have no respect for the people they are supposed to protect and serve


You got that right!

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:34:07 PM   
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It's been my experience that at least 50% of cops are douche canoes.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:35:49 PM   
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I'd rather they were shooting dogs than kids, but that's about the only excuse that could be offered for shit like this.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:41:09 PM   
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shoot a cop, save a dog?

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 1:43:05 PM   
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Sounds good. The SWP are probably electioneering with that one even as we speak...

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 3:34:32 PM   
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so the cops are just turning up to places and shooting dogs for no good reason?
Or are they shooting dogs that have been trained to attack anyone who goes near them or their place?
Or are they shooting dogs that are untrained and out of control?
I think the message here is that if you can't control your dog then a cop might feel threatened and shoot it.
Train your dog people

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 3:37:12 PM   
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quote:

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so the cops are just turning up to places and shooting dogs for no good reason?
Or are they shooting dogs that have been trained to attack anyone who goes near them or their place?
Or are they shooting dogs that are untrained and out of control?
I think the message here is that if you can't control your dog then a cop might feel threatened and shoot it.
Train your dog people


I do.. many do... how do you call a dog into control while keeping your hands in the air?

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 3:41:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

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so the cops are just turning up to places and shooting dogs for no good reason?
Or are they shooting dogs that have been trained to attack anyone who goes near them or their place?
Or are they shooting dogs that are untrained and out of control?
I think the message here is that if you can't control your dog then a cop might feel threatened and shoot it.
Train your dog people


I do.. many do... how do you call a dog into control while keeping your hands in the air?

what have you done wrong tazzy? why are your hands in the air? Do the cops usually turn up to your place pointing their guns at you?

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 3:59:21 PM   
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Guess you didn't read the article.  I will summarize for you hardy, I am nice like that.

In one situation, the cop shows up at the wrong house.  When the guy left the yard to get something, the officer confronted him, told him to put his hands up, and control his dog.  Since the owner was unable to do both at the same time, the officer shot the dog. 

A chihuahua got caught in crossfire.

A woman called to report a burglary, when the cops responded, they shot her dog.

Cops have shot dogs that were chained, tied, or leashed.

A video embedded in the article shows a drug raid where a dog is running away.  They shoot it anyway.

A black lab was shot because an officer felt threatened, although a video taken at the time does not show any threatening behavior on the part of the dog.

You are welcome hardy.  This should save you from reading a lot of big words.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

so the cops are just turning up to places and shooting dogs for no good reason?
Or are they shooting dogs that have been trained to attack anyone who goes near them or their place?
Or are they shooting dogs that are untrained and out of control?
I think the message here is that if you can't control your dog then a cop might feel threatened and shoot it.
Train your dog people


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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 3:59:36 PM   
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Go back and read the op... then answer my question again.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 4:03:16 PM   
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The drug raid video is actually pretty shocking.  They didn't just shoot the poor dog running away, they tortured it.  Don't watch it.  Just don't.

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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 4:12:30 PM   
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I was so shocked by that video, that I found a follow up story.  They wounded the family corgi, too.  And found minimal amounts of pot.  The good news is the department got their asses sued.

Back in February, a SWAT team in Columbia, Missouri burst into the home of Jonathan Whitworth on a drug raid. They opened fire on the two family dogs, killing the pit bull and injuring the corgi.

In a dramatic arrest, amid barking and screaming, they cuffed Whitworth while his wife and 7-year-old son looked on. Although the police were the ones who came in with guns blazing, they slapped Whitworth with second-degree child endangerment, on top of possession of marijuana. The big bust had uncovered a tiny amount of pot and a pipe. It would almost be a farce if it weren't so tragic.
It was all caught on video, and in May, that video went viral, rightfully infuriating criminal justice and animal welfare advocates alike. This past Monday, the Whitworth family filed a federal civil lawsuit against the City of Columbia, the police department and several officers.
The lawsuit alleges that the Whitworths were denied their constitutional rights: "Defendants had no reason to use deadly force or any other force upon entering the Whitworth home. Defendants were all armed with assault weapons and side arms and other weapons. Jonathan Whitworth, Brittany Whitworth, and [their son] were not armed, were not violent, were not resisting and were no threat to the Defendants or anyone else. The two pet dogs were no threat to anyone and there was no reason to use assault weapons on those two animals."
This incident has been held up as a prime example of how out-of-control the war on drugs has become and how trigger-happy cops have become around dogs. If you have the stomach to listen to non-aggressive dog barks turn into screams of pain, you can watch the video of the raid over on the Criminal Justice blog.
Over 43 million U.S. homes have pet dogs, and 50,000 SWAT teams are bursting into homes every year. Those odds put a lot of dogs in the crosshairs and could land a lot of police departments in court.
It looks like Columbia will get off easy with a lawsuit focused on restitution for property damage and medical and veterinary bills. But a few years ago, Tennessee law enforcement had to pay out $77,000 for shooting a dog, and nearly $1.8 million was paid to Hell's Angels for dogs killed in a raid. Those numbers don't include the internal costs of mopping up these messes. Hardly the best of use tax dollars.
Shooting a dog is animal cruelty. Lethal force is not necessary for subduing dogs, even aggressive dogs, as is proven every day by unarmed animal control officers, shelter workers and rescuers. I would think that any officer with an ounce of compassion would want to learn alternatives to killing dogs. Investing the time and resources into training on canine behavior, and establishing a canine force continuum, will save departments a lot of money and headaches in the end.
When officers shoot dogs, they're not only taking animal lives, but they're wasting tax dollars, putting people at risk by firing their weapons, and sending their public relations image into a tailspin. By this point, police should realize that dogs are everywhere in our society and they should be prepared to deal with them in a humane, effective way. And if they don't, they need to be held accountable.


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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 4:23:15 PM   
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right, knee jerk "idiots with dangerous dogs" reaction from me.

Sorry.

Advice to me. Don't type, read first

ps. train your dog properly!


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RE: If a cop knocks at your door, lock up your dog - 4/27/2012 4:39:55 PM   
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Absolutely right on the "train your dog" thing.  Untrained dogs are a menace

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