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MsElisha -> VOYEURISM LEADS TO INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 5:22:31 AM)

Bold statement it is but it is NOT my belief, rather it is a statement that undoubtedly "pinches a nerve" and makes for an interesting debate. It is unfortunate that society (not all of society) looks at us voyeurs as some kind of sexual predator. I have done some reading on the topic and interested in getting more takes on this. Do you, yes you sweetie, think Voyeurism perpetuates increased sex offences? Additionally do you think that Voyeurism is "a Harmless Erotic Preference or a Sexual Predator in the Making?"

Thanks for your comments.

Ms. B.

[Mod Edit: At request of Original Poster]




pompeii -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 5:57:48 AM)

Maybe we need to narrow the definition of voyeurism?

Definition of VOYEUR
1: one obtaining sexual gratification from observing unsuspecting individuals who are partly undressed, naked, or engaged in sexual acts; broadly : one who habitually seeks sexual stimulation by visual means
2: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous
— voy·eur·ism noun
— voy·eur·is·tic adjective
— voy·eur·is·ti·cal·ly adverb

Origin of VOYEUR
French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see, from Latin vidēre — more at wit
First Known Use: 1900

Other Psychology Terms
fetish, hypochondria, intelligence, mania, narcissism, neurosis, pathological, psychosis, schadenfreude, subliminal





Focus50 -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 6:20:57 AM)

Everyone has a level of voyeurism in them. And it's generally a fascination with primitive aspects of human behaviour.

Two kids fight in a schoolyard - and what do the rest instinctively do? Lol, when I went to school, the kids forming a circle around to watch were usually the first to feel the wrath of teachers coming to break it up.

Traffic slows to a crawl at the scene of a crash, even though the road may not be blocked. In Oz, the term we use for that is "rubber-necking". You just know people are secretly hoping to see some blood.... I mean, who really goes to the carnival hoping that some stunt rider will successfully clear a world record leap over a bunch of cars? The dark and primitive in us is hoping to see a wreck.

And then there's sexual voyeurism.... Same principle because it's base, animal behaviour. That we're really not as civilised as we like to delude ourselves about. Personally, I think the only dangerous aspect or consequence of voyeurism (re inciting related criminal behaviour) is when something is overplayed to a point of de-sensitising us to certain activities.... It's just that when the blood and misery is real life and in your face, it makes for compelling viewing.

Overall, I don't think voyeurism is the catalyst for sex offences so much as the sex offender is. That, and opportunity....

Focus.




DarkSteven -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 7:39:10 AM)

I'm sorry, but your question is too loosely defined for me.

1. What is voyeurism? Is it watching sex acts unobserved? Is it watching exhibitionists who are aware? Is it watching porn online?
2. Voyeurism CANNOT perpetuate increased sex offenses. First off, "perpetuate" means to maintain something, while "increased" means an increase - the two terms are inconsistent. Second, voyeurism is a constant state and cannot correspond to an increase. Saying that an increase in voyeurism corresponds to an increase in offenses makes sense, but saying that an increase in a dependent variable is due to the existence of an independent variable is nonsensical.
3. What's an offense? Rape? Indecent exposure? Watching porn in countries where it is illegal?




MsElisha -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 10:02:44 AM)

Thanks for the comments. Great learning points from each of your contributions. @DarkSteven, I stand corrected, and if I could change the title (can't figure out how to change it now that it is posted, guess there is no editing post), I would have it read, "VOYEURISM LEADS TO INCREASED SEX OFFENCES!". @pompeii: as far as narrowing the definition, I appreciate your breakdown, however I intentionally left it broad so that I could get all the different takes and that seems to have worked. I appreciate your contributions and that of Focus.

Ms. E.




DesFIP -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 10:47:06 AM)

Can we see the case studies? Or did you just pull this out of the ether?




Karmastic -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 11:30:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

Everyone has a level of voyeurism in them. And it's generally a fascination with primitive aspects of human behaviour.

Two kids fight in a schoolyard - and what do the rest instinctively do? Lol, when I went to school, the kids forming a circle around to watch were usually the first to feel the wrath of teachers coming to break it up.

Traffic slows to a crawl at the scene of a crash, even though the road may not be blocked. In Oz, the term we use for that is "rubber-necking". You just know people are secretly hoping to see some blood.... I mean, who really goes to the carnival hoping that some stunt rider will successfully clear a world record leap over a bunch of cars? The dark and primitive in us is hoping to see a wreck.

And then there's sexual voyeurism.... Same principle because it's base, animal behaviour. That we're really not as civilised as we like to delude ourselves about. Personally, I think the only dangerous aspect or consequence of voyeurism (re inciting related criminal behaviour) is when something is overplayed to a point of de-sensitising us to certain activities.... It's just that when the blood and misery is real life and in your face, it makes for compelling viewing.

Overall, I don't think voyeurism is the catalyst for sex offences so much as the sex offender is. That, and opportunity....

Focus.


very well said, agree 100% (although i'm weird, and do NOT like seeing car wrecks and crashes at races - just near misses, like the roller coaster concept)

of course voyeurism in whatever form doesn't help perpetuate or increase the likelihood of crossing over into a more physical sexual crime (because i think some forms of voyeurism are sex crimes). but take into account what Focus said about opportunity and proclivity towards sex crimes. if someone is already inclined to trespass and step thru that window, voyeurism is just a means (and the start) to that end.

i see this sensationalism around certain types of sexual behavior. we've all seen the classic gay hysteria, that gay men are more likely to molest children (total bullshit), so they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. we see similar hysteria for other "disliked" sexual preferences. if we follow this ignorant logic, then it means a straight man will rape women because he likes women.

re voyeurism, i'll admit that i've tremendously enjoyed when neighbors weren't concerned with closing their curtains while undressing, and of course i had different fantasies about having sex with some of them. but that's a far cry from really considering doing it IRL.

if anything, i think voyeurism is an outlet for sexual satisfaction, that as Focus pointed out, all of us share to one degree or another, in various flavors and forms. if u try and stifle that, then it will lead to more real physical sex crimes because something's gotta give.

EDIT PS: thank you OP, great thread. i think the concept you allude to has been similarly abused in the realm of drugs, ala the old film Reefer Madness. that film sensationally and hysterically exaggerated the effects of the light drug marijuana (by comparison to OP, voyeurism), and made the logically invalid jump/assumption that it would lead to harder drugs and outlandish behavior (by comparison to OP, physical sex crimes).




MsElisha -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 1:05:16 PM)

Am liking the input, thank you. @DesFIP: Case studies?? The whole idea of forums is to get input from others. I knew this topic as per my words would "pinch a nerve". Not sure if you think I agree with the statement, if so then let me restate what I mentioned, "NOT my belief, rather it is a statement that undoubtedly "pinches a nerve" and makes for an interesting debate". So that being said, I would love to read more from you. Unfortunately the two lines you offer, do not do much in indicating where you lie in the discussion/debate: FOR or AGAINST. And if it is neither, then you could also offer some comment as to why not. Am sure others would stand to benefit from more of what you have to say, so I suggest you build on your comments.

Ms. Elisha




LookieNoNookie -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 10:44:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsElisha

Bold statement it is but it is NOT my belief, rather it is a statement that undoubtedly "pinches a nerve" and makes for an interesting debate. It is unfortunate that society (not all of society) looks at us voyeurs as some kind of sexual predator. I have done some reading on the topic and interested in getting more takes on this. Do you, yes you sweetie, think Voyeurism perpetuates increased sex offences? Additionally do you think that Voyeurism is "a Harmless Erotic Preference or a Sexual Predator in the Making?"

Thanks for your comments.

Ms. B.



I think that Reagan was a piece of shit, tripling our debt in 8 years (and every Prez since has been afraid to take away the punch bowl), I think that Nixon was vastly under rated.....I think that we're about to see inflation exceed anything we've ever imagined....I think that the economy won't "come back" (to anything we recognize) until at least 2017, I think that women own the gawdamn game even as they say they don't....and I think milk (aside from Crown Royal) is the best damn thing ever invented to drink since man invented cups.

(That's what I think).




Focus50 -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/21/2012 11:57:34 PM)

Personally, I think you've got the analogy backwards - reverse thinking. Like, for example, sick people take pills so if you don't take your pills, you're not sick.

Seems to me that most sexual predators are ambush predators - they're accustomed to waiting and watching for that right moment. This requires a level of patience, of fascination with their target that's similar to voyeurism. So yeah, this makes the sexual predator voyeuristic but does not make the otherwise passive voyeur a "hands-on" sexual predator.

As I stated earlier, the human animal just isn't evolved as society likes to hope and believe. Bring back public executions to the local footy stadium and charge a minimum hundred bucks a ticket. Anyone here really think the "show" won't be sold out?

We're all just a natural disaster from being a base and highly dangerous animal, again. But for society's sake, shhhhh....

Focus.




JeffBC -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 6:59:12 AM)

No, I don't generally associate the word voyeur with some sort of sick person. The default definition in my head is a consensual kink. I also know that at times it becomes non-consensual and then yes, now we're talking sexual predator. I dislike human behavioral theories that say "this leads to that"... ESPECIALLY in moralistic areas... ESPECIALLY in sex. I think the church has shown us over and over again how that's a favorite go-to tool of control for them.




DesFIP -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 7:56:39 AM)

Elisha, you announced something as fact. But you can't back it up. If you said you wondered about it, that would be different or that this was your instinctive belief. But when you make bold sweeping statements, expect people to challenge them if you can't prove them.

Personally I disagree. I don't believe the rate of rape has gone up since the first porn was printed.




camille65 -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 8:08:42 AM)

OP you see the responses as successfully having 'pinched the nerves' of those who have responded. I see the respondents doing nothing more than attempting to clarify what you are seeking, your question is not phrased very well IMO which makes it difficult to respond well.

It seems that you are asking: Is voyeurism a gateway act toward escalated offenses?

My answer is yes. And no. It depends upon the individual. If an individual is already inclined toward elevating their response, yes. If not, no.




FantasyKisses -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 8:11:58 AM)

It's a little known fact as well that sex leads to increased sex, children, and sex offenses. (Or at the least, offensive sex. Clown sex is not sexy folks. Just sayin'.)




kalikshama -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 9:59:29 AM)

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bobthomas46220 -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 10:14:10 AM)

Humans are innately programmed for two things: Food/Sex (Male: Sex/Food), nothing increases sex except the removal of barriers which have been imposed upon it. Sex offences increase when laws against nature increase. Pretty simple.




Karmastic -> RE: VOYEURISM LEADS TO INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 12:03:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bobthomas46220

Humans are innately programmed for two things: Food/Sex (Male: Sex/Food), nothing increases sex except the removal of barriers which have been imposed upon it.

lil off topic, but reminds me of this:
abraham maslow
[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs.svg/450px-Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs.svg.png[/image]




subbyinlosangele -> RE: VOYEURISM LEADS TO INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/22/2012 3:31:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsElisha

Bold statement it is but it is NOT my belief, rather it is a statement that undoubtedly "pinches a nerve" and makes for an interesting debate. It is unfortunate that society (not all of society) looks at us voyeurs as some kind of sexual predator. I have done some reading on the topic and interested in getting more takes on this. Do you, yes you sweetie, think Voyeurism perpetuates increased sex offences? Additionally do you think that Voyeurism is "a Harmless Erotic Preference or a Sexual Predator in the Making?"

Thanks for your comments.

Ms. B.

[Mod Edit: At request of Original Poster]



From what I've read, the research seems to indicate that a large percentage of rapists started off as voyeurs, but only a small percentage of voyeurs go on to commit sex crimes. So voyeurism doesn't necessarily lead to sex crimes; but people who engage in sex crimes tend to be voyeurs.

That said, many people considered the very act of non-consensual voyeurism (such as crimbing over a fence so you can look through a bedroom window and watch someone undress) to be a form of sexual predator in and of itself. And the act of sexual predator is in and of itself considered a sex crime in some countries,




JeffBC -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/23/2012 6:31:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bobthomas46220
Sex offences increase when laws against nature increase. Pretty simple.


*blinks* did you even stop to engage one single synapse before you wrote that? God, where do people find this "natural law" crap. it inevitably comes up as a specious way to prove whatever point they are hoping to prove. So exactly which made-up natural law which you like to quote in relation to voyeurism?




DarkSteven -> RE: VOYEURISM PERPETUATES INCREASED SEX OFFENCES! (4/23/2012 6:37:34 AM)

Jeff, I think what he's trying to say is that sex is going to happen. If we criminalize certain sexual acts (which he refers to as "laws against nature"), then sex crimes increase because their definition became broader. It's actually an interesting hypothesis, which hinges on people's behavior not being changed when the laws changed.





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