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Iamsemisweet -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 2:53:54 PM)

Well, by not putting barriers on litigation for one thing.  Salary ranges are no doubt something that could be uncovered in discovery, in connection with litigation.  Which is why repealing the law in Wisconsin is pretty reprehensible.  Which is what this thread is about.
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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I can't understand how anyone can have a different viewpoint.


Not having access to the books prevents anyone from actually knowing where they stand.

Perhaps we need a 'payroll disclosure act', where companies need to post ( internally ) all their payroll data. What roles get paid what range of salary, and what factors determine any variation?

I'm glad that you have 'perfect market knowledge'. The question is, "How do we extend that everywhere?"





SoftBonds -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 3:40:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Well, by not putting barriers on litigation for one thing.  Salary ranges are no doubt something that could be uncovered in discovery, in connection with litigation.  Which is why repealing the law in Wisconsin is pretty reprehensible.  Which is what this thread is about.
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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I can't understand how anyone can have a different viewpoint.


Not having access to the books prevents anyone from actually knowing where they stand.

Perhaps we need a 'payroll disclosure act', where companies need to post ( internally ) all their payroll data. What roles get paid what range of salary, and what factors determine any variation?

I'm glad that you have 'perfect market knowledge'. The question is, "How do we extend that everywhere?"




Well, I think Fargle does have a point on this. Of course, anyone who works for the government already discloses their pay. You have a pay grade and years of service, and anyone with those two items can look up your salary on the web.
I also see the counterpoint about privacy.
Of course, while this wouldn't work for small firms, forcing a company to post the average salaries/wages of employees by position, years at company, race, and gender would give some interesting info I think!




thompsonx -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 4:30:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

This is America. If you don't think you are making enough money you are free to go find a job somewhere else. I would venture to say that in 90% of the cases where women claim they aren't making as much as the man, they are probably worthless employees.

This would be your asinine,unsubstantiated,ignorant opinion and not fact right?

I also suspect they did a great job at first since they were young and halfway motivated, but then like government employees and union workers, think they can just sit on their ass the last 20 yrs and get a taxpayer funded pension.

How is a non government union pension funded by taxpayers?






kalikshama -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 4:40:08 PM)

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And don't turn into screaming demons a few days a month, where you can't trust them around a dangerous process


I held a Top Secret clearance from the USAF who also entrusted me with [censored cuz I'd have to kill you.]

Is your dangerous process bigger than my dangerous process?




SoftBonds -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 4:50:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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And don't turn into screaming demons a few days a month, where you can't trust them around a dangerous process


I held a Top Secret clearance from the USAF who also entrusted me with [censored cuz I'd have to kill you.]

Is your dangerous process bigger than my dangerous process?


Willing to bet the women who tended the nuclear plant on the Aircraft Carrier I once served aboard had a dangerous process as big as your dangerous process, not going to say bigger.
That said, never saw any sign that they were going to blow us all up during that time of the month...
The RO in charge of them though, he was a nutcase, I was always glad the gals were around to handle him...

ETA: if you have ever seen a captain (O-6, senior rank in the navy below flag), chew out an E-3 (junior sailor) for 45 minutes and reduce her to tears for something she has no control over, then you may think not all officers are gentlemen...
Just one of the many reasons I respected his rank, but not the man...




Edwynn -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 5:47:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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And don't turn into screaming demons a few days a month, where you can't trust them around a dangerous process


I held a Top Secret clearance from the USAF who also entrusted me with [censored cuz I'd have to kill you.]

Is your dangerous process bigger than my dangerous process?



Don't challenge him about who's got a bigger dangerous process, Kali. Somebody with that displayed mentality will probably start looking in his pants, then maybe a seriously questioning look on his face.






LookieNoNookie -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/11/2012 6:43:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet


WASHINGTON -- A Wisconsin law that made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court was repealed on Thursday, after Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed the bill.

The 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act was meant to deter employers from discriminating against certain groups by giving workers more avenues via which to press charges. Among other provisions, it allows individuals to plead their cases in the less costly, more accessible state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court.

In November, the state Senate approved SB 202, which rolled back this provision. On February, the Assembly did the same. Both were party-line votes in Republican-controlled chambers.

SB 202 was sent to Walker on March 29. He had, according to the state constitution, six days to act on the bill. The deadline was 5:00 p.m. on Thursday. The governor quietly signed the bill into law on Thursday, according to the Legislative Reference Bureau, and it is now called Act 219.

Walker's office did not return repeated requests for comment.

State Sen. Dave Hansen (D-Green Bay) and Rep. Christine Sinicki (D-Milwaukee), the authors of the Equal Pay Enforcement Act, criticized Walker on Thursday for not informing the public of his actions on SB 202.

“We are finally starting to see progress here in Wisconsin, yet like their counterparts across the country, Legislative Republicans want to turn back the clock on women’s rights in the workplace,” said Hansen.

Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women’s Health (WAWH), which also estimates that families in the state "lose more than $4,000 per year due to unequal pay."

Business associations lobbied in support of SB 202, according to the state's Government Accountability Board. Groups like Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce, and the Wisconsin Restaurant Association all backed a repeal.

Sara Finger, executive director of WAWH, said that the repeal was a "demoralizing attack on women’s rights, health, and wellbeing."

"Economic security is a women’s health issue," she said. "The salary women are paid directly affects the type and frequency of health care services they are able to access. At a time when women’s health services are becoming more expensive and harder to obtain, financial stability is essential to maintain steady access."

Walker is facing a recall election in June. The two frontrunners on the Democratic side who are competing to unseat him, former Dane County executive Kathleen Falk and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, sharply criticized the governor for allowing the repeal bill to become law.

Falk said Walker has "turned back the clock for women across Wisconsin."

"As a woman and as a mother who worked full-time while raising my son, I know first-hand how important pay equity and health care are to women across Wisconsin," she said in a statement to The Huffington Post.

A spokesman for Barrett's campaign said that Walker's "ideological civil war includes a war on women, and repeal today of this protection against pay discrimination is a major step backwards for Wisconsin values and basic fairness."

"Tom Barrett knows equal pay for equal work is essential, and failing to stand up for Wisconsin women in the workplace is yet another reason he [Walker] must be defeated this summer," he said.

UPDATE: 2:17 p.m. -- The Plum Line reports that President Barack Obama's campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith responded to Walker's repeal, calling on former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, to take a position on the issue.

"As he campaigned across Wisconsin, Mitt Romney repeatedly praised Governor Scott Walker's leadership, calling him a 'hero' and 'a man of courage,'" she said. "But with his signing yesterday of a bill make it harder for women to enforce in court their right to equal pay, Walker showed how far Republicans are willing to go to undermine not only women's health care, but also their economic security. Does Romney think women should have ability to take their bosses to court to get the same pay as their male coworkers? Or does he stand with Governor Walker against this?"

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Yawn.




kalikshama -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/17/2012 6:16:21 AM)

Jon Stewart chimes in: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-16-2012/the-battle-for-the-war-on-women

Make sure you watch til the Vagina Manger [:D]




kalikshama -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/17/2012 6:26:40 AM)

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GLENN GROTHMAN (4/7/2012): Take a hypothetical husband and wife who are both lawyers... the woman takes time off, raises kids, is not go go go. ... The husband is making 200 grand a year, the woman is making 40 grand a year. It wasn't discrimination. There was a different sense of urgency in each person. ... You could argue that money is more important for men.


Ah - he's this guy:

WI Senator Wants Law Saying Single Parents Are Probably Child Abusers




Falkenstein -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/17/2012 1:41:51 PM)

Instead of taking the jobs of men, and increasing the jobless rates of the sole legitimate breadwinners in a marriage under God, all these women should stay home, raise their children and go to church. If the salary of their husband and master is not enough, they can simply sell some stocks.

As Ann Romney's would probably say ;-)

Henry




LaTigresse -> RE: In Wisconsin, men are apparently entitled to earn more money (4/17/2012 1:45:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Falkenstein

Instead of taking the jobs of men, and increasing the jobless rates of the sole legitimate breadwinners in a marriage under God, all these women should stay home, raise their children and go to church. If the salary of their husband and master is not enough, they can simply sell some stocks.

As Ann Romney's would probably say ;-)

Henry


I will tell Generic Dude, and the owner of the company I work for, that I need to quit and stay home. You would hear the "oh hell no!'s of those two throughout the country. One would be terrified of the projects I would keep coming up with at home. The other would be terrified of the thought of finding a replacement for me.




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