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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 3:46:42 PM

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I'll just say this:

Holocaust deniers piss the living fuck out of me. Everyone of them can shove a stick of dynamite up his ass and give himself an explosive lobotomy as far as I'm concerned.

You're much more restrained than I am.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 3:46:51 PM

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cos hes dead and EVERYONE knows it
Guess Im needing to put in a "/tongue in cheek" comment:)

In other words it would be.......news ?
Which of course is what the "media" stock in trade is

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 3:48:39 PM

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Altho this is old news in the scheme of things, where do they dig these dinosaurs up from??

from the record LMAO

lots of people making money off that dinosaur

Lots of arseholes insisting it never happened as well.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 5:58:36 PM

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You don`t see nazis,neo-nazis,white supremacists,white separatists,Holocaust deniers,david duke-types desirous of and feeling comfortable with joining the Democratic party..........emmmmmmm.

I wonder why that is?

Oh stop with your falsities. Robert Byrd, the longest serving Senator in history, was a member of the Klan. He was a Democrat.

You don't see the media reporting on this. I wonder why that is?

I think he quit the klan and renounced it.......a half century ago......

Wow so defensive.......right now at this moment.....

And then there`s the recent re-acceptence of the John Birch Society and the GOPs on going,long time and current relationships with klan front groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens.

They`re educating Americans about black history myths.......just lovely.......

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 6:36:59 PM

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Yes, most of the Klan was in the Democratic party from the 1860's to the 1960's. Until Northern Democrats decided to finally do something about Jim Crow.
Then the Southern Dems changed parties-not that it mattered, they'd been voting with the Republicans for quite a while.
Still, I gotta thank you guys for taking the Southern Dem's off our hands. Those guys were going so nuts that in another 50 years they'd have been wearing tea bags on their hats!
Heck, they might have taken the whole party over by means of Crazy, and driven out every moderate in the party...

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You don`t see nazis,neo-nazis,white supremacists,white separatists,Holocaust deniers,david duke-types desirous of and feeling comfortable with joining the Democratic party..........emmmmmmm.

I wonder why that is?

Oh stop with your falsities. Robert Byrd, the longest serving Senator in history, was a member of the Klan. He was a Democrat.

You don't see the media reporting on this. I wonder why that is?

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 6:44:55 PM

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 2/29/2012 7:18:25 PM

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Funny how he is trying to run as a Republican but according to the article only seems to criticise the leading Republicans at the moment, criticises the war on terror, and defends Iran... Anyone else notice how white nationalists/neo-Nazi's try to co-opt certain populist values on the left, perhaps to help their image?

Actually, nationalists (of all stripes) have more in common with the leftists/libertarians than most think.

Nationalism isn't always a bad thing in itself unless tied to issues of race or whatever. Nationalists of the 19th Century were often benign enough but I take your point about neo-Nazi's having some links with the left as some on here suggested before. National socialism was envisaged as replacing both left and right wing politics, and had features of both.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 8:45:17 AM

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Actually, nationalists (of all stripes) have more in common with the leftists/libertarians than most think.

The German Workers Party, (GWP) had some ideas which may have been called left leaning, that said they were more what would be considered today as right wing. Certainly when they became the Nazi Party, due to the change in name appealing to both left and right of the political spectrum, they dropped the anti-capitalist views, as they needed rich donnors. They also kept in land reform views as they needed farmers votes.

The fact still remains they wer an Ant-semetic, anti-liberal, anti-communist party.... Hardly a party with any left leaning views. So lets not try and play with words but not with meanings and context.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 9:03:59 AM

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The German Workers Party, (GWP) had some ideas which may have been called left leaning, that said they were more what would be considered today as right wing. Certainly when they became the Nazi Party, due to the change in name appealing to both left and right of the political spectrum, they dropped the anti-capitalist views, as they needed rich donnors. They also kept in land reform views as they needed farmers votes.

The fact still remains they wer an Ant-semetic, anti-liberal, anti-communist party.... Hardly a party with any left leaning views. So lets not try and play with words but not with meanings and context.

Indeed fascists were strongly anti-communist but not as simple as that, and it cannot be a coincidence that communists and fascists worked together in the early days in Germany:

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Position in the political spectrum
Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right" although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum

Its important to note that there were many aspects to fascism. Some wings of it were socially conservative but some were extremely radical socially and firmly atheistic as well.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 9:12:57 AM

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Holocaust deniers piss the living fuck out of me. Everyone of them can shove a stick of dynamite up his ass and give himself an explosive lobotomy as far as I'm concerned.

This

and I would like to add...it's nothing new. The only reason this guy made the forums is because he is running under the repub ticket and it's a good chance to try and make the other side look bad. I guess to some bigotry is only evil if they don't agree with you.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 9:21:12 AM

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yeah being a nazi group member is fuck all to do with it.
Stupidness is making it just about the repubs, no its more to do with denying the holocaust, but then you probably cant get your biased mind around that.
Thanks for telling me what I intended with posting this, as normal you havent got a clue. Maybe ask before looking clueless.
Your side doesnt need help in looking bad dear

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 9:27:03 AM

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as normal you havent got a clue.

I will ignore the personal attack and just ask...if you didn't want to point at the republicans, why did you start the header with Rep candidate?

and post this "DS, this another reason Im convinced the repub party just does NOT want to win in november at all
guy is a throwup to the dark ages like many others*rick *"

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 9:34:00 AM

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noo by all means report me..
I copied the title from the article, I didnt do my own take on it...sorry.
That wasnt in the OP btw, that was in response to DS..PLEASE try to get your"attacks in the right order, maybe list them with post numbers to keep from being confused..
can you actually post to a topic without attacking the posters?

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 10:43:07 AM

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Hey Lucy... I wonder if this genius sold any policies in Harrisburg?

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 11:42:55 AM

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yeah being a nazi group member is fuck all to do with it.
Stupidness is making it just about the repubs, no its more to do with denying the holocaust, but then you probably cant get your biased mind around that.
Thanks for telling me what I intended with posting this, as normal you havent got a clue. Maybe ask before looking clueless.
Your side doesnt need help in looking bad dear

I hope I didn`t imply that bigotry and racial animosity were exclusive to the GOP.Only asked why they seem to flock to the GOP and not the Democratic Party.

I certainly didn`t create or making-up the situation.......only merely pointing it out.

That MAY SEEM unfair but it`s only reading the news.

There`s certainly plenty of opportunity and freedom for cons to express themselves and/or post unflattering things about democrats and liberals.....and do when they can.......

But....there isn`t much to post about(that`s true,existing in the physical world)so we get little more than poop dressed up as a fact or foxnews piece.

Then there`s the inevitable recognition of loss and embarrassment and cons ask why.......why is it ......that in a world that doesn`r care who wins or loses.......are we always losing and looking like mean arrogant, uncaring jerks?

In the con mindset,they don`t see themselves as any different as anybody else........(and frankly couldn`t care less what people think of them) but still can`t figure out how they got their image problems.

So they figure it`s not their conduct(remember,they`re no worse than anyone else in their minds)so it must be "the media"

Never any examples of the "liberal bias" but they aren`t going to that stop them from blaming it for their bad image.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 11:56:26 AM

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hey Owner, I was responding Only to THBs comments...not yours...my bad if you took it to be against yours...its just me commenting and pointing out the major flaw in the argument.if these fuckwads werent making such twats of themselves we would have nothing to piss her off with, but we are the problem....snorts wildly

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 12:15:26 PM

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I think he quit the klan and renounced it.......a half century ago......

I'm sure part of the reason he would have done so was to make interactions with his love-child a little more comfortable.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 12:39:40 PM

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Much as we all like to bandy it about, Jews are not a race, any more than Muslims are, other than human.

Sort of. Ashkenazi are used as a reference population in some studies, for instance.

There has been very limited interbreeding, whereas the Arab world generally had a lot of slaves out of Africa that were interbred (about 30% of their genetic material is from that source). Jews, historically, did not mate much outside their own, and others kept apart from them. As a result, there are distinct lineages in terms of culture, language and genetics.

The term race is pretty useless to begin with, and applying it to Jews would be questionable at best. It can unambiguously be used in reference to Sub-Saharan Africans, but not the rest of us, where it's more a question of clustering, with more arbitrary lines being drawn in the sand to delineate the distinctions made (e.g. for medical purposes).

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 5:05:03 PM

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Indeed fascists were strongly anti-communist but not as simple as that, and it cannot be a coincidence that communists and fascists worked together in the early days in Germany:

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Position in the political spectrum
Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right" although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum

Its important to note that there were many aspects to fascism. Some wings of it were socially conservative but some were extremely radical socially and firmly atheistic as well.

None of that is relevant when people make the claim that left leaning parties were neonazi. You and I both know this.

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RE: Rep candidate says Holocaust Never Happened. - 3/1/2012 6:33:44 PM

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Indeed fascists were strongly anti-communist but not as simple as that, and it cannot be a coincidence that communists and fascists worked together in the early days in Germany:

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Position in the political spectrum
Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right" although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum

Its important to note that there were many aspects to fascism. Some wings of it were socially conservative but some were extremely radical socially and firmly atheistic as well.

None of that is relevant when people make the claim that left leaning parties were neonazi. You and I both know this.

Your assertion in Post 48 was that fascists hadn't any left-wing values except sometimes when it was expedient to do so. My response was that fascist politics is often a mish-mash of both left and right wing values, rather than suggesting some leftist parties are or were implicitly fascists.

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