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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 11:43:35 AM

Hillwilliam

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I think Im one of 5 people in the US who has never had a Facebook account.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 2:35:42 PM

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I know another one who doesn't have one. She's one of my best friends and it annoys the fuck out of me that I have to repeat everything to her that I've already said on Facebook.

I don't have a problem with Facebook and their privacy or lack of it. I don't have anything on there that shouldn't be, first of all. Second, we all have to get used to it, whether we like it or not. It simply IS how it is. Especially those of us with children. If we don't use it responsibly, how can we teach them to use it responsibly?

We can't run from the future. We should be learning how to handle it responsibly. Unless, of course, you just don't like Facebook. And there could be a million different reasons for that.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 2:42:20 PM

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I'm not concerned about FB. I am fairly picky about who I have on there as "friends" and have each individual privacy setting on the highest setting.

I did however recently delete my twitter.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 3:24:24 PM

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I tell my friends I'm not in the Matrix and they get that.

Job seekers beware!

Background check company will store your social networking slipups for 7 years

Your unflattering critique of a former boss may cost you a new job, or worse

In a world where potential employers will almost certainly toss your name into a search engine before considering you for a job, we should all be very careful about what we put online. However, sometimes we slip up, leaving a nasty smear on an otherwise pristine social networking persona. Now, thanks to a ruling by the FTC, background checking services can store those unfortunate moments for up to 7 years after you've deleted them from the web.

A company called Social Intelligence — which provides background checks for companies during the hiring process — recently drew ire from would-be employees due to its practice of building detailed files on applicants. The company keeps these records, which can contain embarrassing pictures or comments that have long since been deleted, in case they are requested by other potential employers in the future. The FTC, after taking a microscope to Social Intelligence's information gathering methods, declared that the company fell within the guidelines of the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

Individuals who believe their social record is tarnished through no fault of their own are welcome to dispute the firm's findings. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people affected have no idea what information Social Intelligence has on them until they are denied a job. So before you update your Facebook or Twitter status, remember that the information you put forth can come back to haunt you, years after you've wiped your web slate clean.

[Updated 6/21/11]: According to an update on the original article, and subsequent contact with Social Intelligence, the company's records are not reused for later employer inquiries. The historical data is stored, but according to the company, it is only used to verify chain-of-custody should legal issues arise down the road. Social Intelligence insists that it pulls a new report on each individual each time it is requested.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 3:29:12 PM

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As far as the advertising thing goes this has been a recent trend online everywhere, not just on Facebook. If I search for a product and click on a few online retailers (Amazon, etc.) just to check it out I don't even have to purchase the item. It and other products like it become part of the scroll in ads on a variety of web sites I visit. It's the same concept as the stupid ads here on CM that advertise hordes of horny people who just happen to be right across town from you.

With Facebook I have always been very judicious about what I post. I never send friend requests and accept them on a careful basis. I would not be surprised if I hold the record for having declined the most Facebook friend requests. I am quite shocked as to the content of what some other folks post. A good example of how quickly things can get out of hand when you post is the story about that idiot who shot his daughter's laptop. Supposedly an IT professional. Right.

I actually had a Facebook account for quite a while that was dormant. I created it and was immediately put off by the incestuous nature of it all. I added one friend and suddenly had 100 other friend suggestions... "people you may know"... who of course were friends of friends of friends of that one person. I deactivated the account and it sat in moth balls for over a year. I hate the new timeline that Facebook has. I know eventually everyone will have to adopt it. At that point my Facebook account will be closed for good.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 3:33:18 PM

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Facebook doesn't exist to provide a social service. It exists to make money from selling your data to advertisers. Your social benefit is just the bait.

http://www.facebook.com/advertising/?campaign_id=402047449186&placement=pflo&extra_1=0

People treat Facebook as an authentic part of their lives, so you can be sure you are connecting with real people with real interest in your products. Facebook Ads provided CM Photographic the ability to target their exact demographic — 24-30 year old women whose relationship status on Facebook indicated that they were engaged.

Over 12 months, CM Photographics generated nearly $40,000 in revenue directly from a $600 advertising investment on Facebook. Of the Facebook users who were directed to CM Photographics' website from the ads, 60% became qualified leads and actively expressed interest in more information.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 3:48:54 PM

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Thats why I always pick the option to close the advertisement and then say the advertisement wasn't relevant to me. Throws them right off

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 4:32:09 PM

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Everything is a business, though. I don't mind that. And the site is fun and useful. I don't begrudge anyone profit from it.

Whether it's Facebook or another, newer, better "social networking site," the world will be using it. We moved into cell phones, computers, iPods, telephones,....we can go backwards and see how our worlds have expanded, over and over, and I'm sure there must have been people that were uncomfortable with it and nervous about it. I feel this is similar. A few more years of this, an even newer generation growing up with it, and it will all be old hat.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 4:32:39 PM

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I have facebook, but I hate it. I have a teen daughter so I keep the page to keep an eye on her, and to keep in touch with distant family. I want to know how they're doing, but I'm really very shy and quiet when I don't know people well and phone conversations might be awkward

My closest friends know not to ask me if I've seen their status, picture etc. because I don't go on to check for that anymore. I pretty much unsubscribed from everyone but my kid. Her status updates are the only ones I need to see at the top. As far as potential employers, my face book doesn't have my real name attached to it. nor the email that I use for business.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 4:34:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I think Im one of 5 people in the US who has never had a Facebook account.

I'm in that club too. I think it's wonderful for the many millions that enjoy it,
but I much prefer picking up the phone, or once in a blue moon, instant messenger.

I admit I have peeked in on a few people out of curiousity, (and my sons, but don't tell them!),
but the idea of reconnecting with someone you haven't spoken to in 20 years simply because
technology now offers an opportunity to do so still makes them someone you haven't felt the
need to talk to in 20 years. I think I'm such a private person that, even with the best privacy
settings, I will always feel as though I were sharing my life on a billboard.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 5:15:23 PM

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The new settings don't worry me. I know Mark, I even like him, but I had no issues telling him that if I signed up I wasn't about to give his website any more real information than I will give any other website.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 8:57:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I think Im one of 5 people in the US who has never had a Facebook account.

I'm in that club too. I think it's wonderful for the many millions that enjoy it,
but I much prefer picking up the phone, or once in a blue moon, instant messenger.

+1.

My band had a facebook page I can use if I want to look someone up. But it'll take an ice age in hell for me to willingly spew my personal stuff out there. Bad enough Amazon, PayPal and Ebay know who I am.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 10:03:54 PM

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Personally, I find FB to be very useful, myself. Whenever I want to spread misinformation to the masses, there's no quicker way than to put it on your FB wall and tweet about it. It'll spread even faster if you claim it's private and ask your friends not to share it.

You just gotta know how to misuse effectively rather than use stupidly :-)

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/27/2012 10:27:24 PM

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My biggest thing with Facebook is that I don't put anything on there I don't want my grandmother to find out. Because my aunt is now on there, and is sure to pick up the phone and call her before she even clicks "log out". I LOVE the people that were sending out the message "change the settings for me so all your friends aren't seeing what I'm doing and I'll do the same for you!" to which I replied "Tardo.... If you don't want the world to know what the hell you are doing, don't post it on Facebook!!!" that would be like making up fliers about your sex life and posting them up around town, then getting mad because someone you didn't want to see it saw. Simple way to get around all the privacy stuff is to sit in your house and have no human interaction whatsoever. And to that, I think I may go see if KY and Trogan have Facebook pages I can like. Might stir some shit up!!!! Haha!!

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 2/28/2012 4:31:20 PM

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I don't worry because personally I have nothing to hide. People would find my FB pretty boring and I don't talk about personal things like my relationship or work to anyone at all so why should I be concerned?

The most anyone is gonna find on my profile is pictures of Portugal that I posted.

Yeah, I deal with this privacy stuff by just not posting anything that I'd be worried about anyone seeing. Facebook is a good way to keep in touch with people, but if I have something personal and private to say to someone, I'll tell them privately.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 3/20/2012 1:22:08 PM

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Another reason I don't have Facebook:

Job seekers getting asked for Facebook passwords

When Justin Bassett interviewed for a new job, he expected the usual questions about experience and references. So he was astonished when the interviewer asked for something else: his Facebook username and password.

Bassett, a New York City statistician, had just finished answering a few character questions when the interviewer turned to her computer to search for his Facebook page. But she couldn't see his private profile. She turned back and asked him to hand over his login information.

Bassett refused and withdrew his application, saying he didn't want to work for a company that would seek such personal information. But as the job market steadily improves, other job candidates are confronting the same question from prospective employers, and some of them cannot afford to say no.

In their efforts to vet applicants, some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person's social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 3/20/2012 3:31:47 PM

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If you are too focused on Facebook you probably have bigger problems.

Here is an article from The Guardian

Re: a paper published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences

"Researchers have established a direct link between the number of friends
you have on Facebook and the degree to which you are a "socially disruptive"
narcissist, confirming the conclusions of many social media sceptics.

People who score highly on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory questionnaire
had more friends on Facebook, tagged themselves more often and updated their
newsfeeds more regularly. The research comes amid increasing evidence that
young people are becoming increasingly narcissistic, and obsessed with self-image
and shallow friendships.

The latest study, published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences,
also found that narcissists responded more aggressively to derogatory comments
made about them on the social networking site's public walls and changed their
profile pictures more often."

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 3/21/2012 3:29:23 AM

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I looked for a quantification of "more" and "often" and just found this:

"The research revealed that the higher someone scored on aspects of GE [grandiose exhibitionism], the greater the number of friends they had on Facebook, with some amassing more than 800."

I couldn't get the full article but here's the abstract:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886911005332

Abstract

A survey (N = 292) was conducted that measured self-promoting Facebook behaviors (e.g. posting status updates and photos of oneself, updating profile information) and several anti-social behaviors (e.g. seeking social support more than one provides it, getting angry when people do not comment on one’s status updates, retaliating against negative comments). The grandiose exhibitionism subscale of the narcissistic personality inventory was hypothesized to predict the self-promoting behaviors. The entitlement/exploitativeness subscale was hypothesized to predict the anti-social behaviors. Results were largely consistent with the hypothesis for the self-promoting behaviors but mixed concerning the anti-social behaviors. Trait self-esteem was also related in the opposite manner as the Narcissism scales to some Facebook behaviors.
Highlights

► Grandiose exhibitionism (NPI) was correlated with self-promotion on Facebook. ► Entitlement/exploitativeness (NPI) was correlated with anti-social behaviors on Facebook. ► Self-esteem was negatively related to self-promotion and anti-social behaviors on Facebook.

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RE: FaceBook's new social ads and your privacy - 3/21/2012 10:30:36 AM

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I certainly am a FB user. I use it to keep in touch with family, friends, and to market my business. I have really enjoyed the fact that it has allowed me to reestablish contact with people from high school and college.

However, it never ceases to amaze me how much privacy some people seem to be willing to give up. I have friends who post every single place they are and everything they are doing. It is just ridiculous. It makes little sense to me to publicly post that you are not home, for example, and won't be for some time. Crazy.

In my business, FB has been a useful tool for checking out opposing parties. I was having trouble serving someone in a case, when loe and behold, turns out they posted on their page that they were going to be with their kids at cheerleading practice at such and such a place on Wednesday night. Thanks, Facebook.

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